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What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 13, 2022 at 7:47am
jamie said:I've been waiting a looooooooooooong time for nan to show proof of genocide in the past 5 years.But - the coup in 2014 - overrides everything. nan gets furious if we paint Putin in a bad light. If Ukraine conducted a special operation in Russia to save Ukrainian speaking people from a phony genocide - she'd be furious and blame the US for egging them on.nan - who in the cast of Ukraine on Fire would you say is NOT pro-Russia? I just want to clear something up. I don't think Putin is a nice guy. He's clearly not someone with whom we should be playing nuclear chicken. And yet here we are. Why is that? Could it be this guy is right?NATO is loving Ukraine War. Survey shows vast majority of #EU citizens want Peace, rather than promote a War to punish Russia - But NATO never wants Peace. With US + Russia, we now have 2 factions of Capitalist Imperialism waging War, with millions of Workers caught in middle... pic.twitter.com/jHFsrgYrMN— Mick Wallace (@wallacemick) July 10, 2022
jamie said:I've been waiting a looooooooooooong time for nan to show proof of genocide in the past 5 years.But - the coup in 2014 - overrides everything. nan gets furious if we paint Putin in a bad light. If Ukraine conducted a special operation in Russia to save Ukrainian speaking people from a phony genocide - she'd be furious and blame the US for egging them on.nan - who in the cast of Ukraine on Fire would you say is NOT pro-Russia? I just want to clear something up. I don't think Putin is a nice guy. He's clearly not someone with whom we should be playing nuclear chicken. And yet here we are. Why is that? Could it be this guy is right?NATO is loving Ukraine War. Survey shows vast majority of #EU citizens want Peace, rather than promote a War to punish Russia - But NATO never wants Peace. With US + Russia, we now have 2 factions of Capitalist Imperialism waging War, with millions of Workers caught in middle... pic.twitter.com/jHFsrgYrMN— Mick Wallace (@wallacemick) July 10, 2022
What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 13, 2022 at 7:43am
Jul 12, 2022 at 11:19pm Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire: https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-west Wonder why Olly didn't direct it. This sounds familiar: Moscow did not come up with those narratives, which happen to be true. Just the fact that they try to blame them on the Russian should give you pause. That is classic propaganda.
Jul 12, 2022 at 11:19pm Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire: https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-west Wonder why Olly didn't direct it. This sounds familiar: Moscow did not come up with those narratives, which happen to be true. Just the fact that they try to blame them on the Russian should give you pause. That is classic propaganda.
What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 13, 2022 at 7:40am
drummerboy said: jamie said:Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire:https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-westWonder why Olly didn't direct it.This sounds familiar: Why do we keep on calling it the Oliver Stone movie if he didn't direct it? Now I need to reboot my brain. Love how you know a review is "good" when it bashes a movie you have not seen and it's published by Ukrainian media. (written by the "Hybrid Warfare Media Group" - totally unbiased)I have never seen such resistance to one freaking movie in my life. You have spent more time telling us why you won't watch it than it would have taken to watch. You are like a grade school kid refusing to do homework. Just throwing yourself on the rug and crying. You do need to reboot your brain.
drummerboy said: jamie said:Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire:https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-westWonder why Olly didn't direct it.This sounds familiar: Why do we keep on calling it the Oliver Stone movie if he didn't direct it? Now I need to reboot my brain. Love how you know a review is "good" when it bashes a movie you have not seen and it's published by Ukrainian media. (written by the "Hybrid Warfare Media Group" - totally unbiased)I have never seen such resistance to one freaking movie in my life. You have spent more time telling us why you won't watch it than it would have taken to watch. You are like a grade school kid refusing to do homework. Just throwing yourself on the rug and crying. You do need to reboot your brain.
What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 12, 2022 at 11:35pm
jamie said:Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire:https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-westWonder why Olly didn't direct it.This sounds familiar: Why do we keep on calling it the Oliver Stone movie if he didn't direct it? Now I need to reboot my brain.
jamie said:Good article on the director of Ukraine on Fire:https://uacrisis.org/en/the-sinema-of-russian-propaganda-how-kremlin-narratives-go-westWonder why Olly didn't direct it.This sounds familiar: Why do we keep on calling it the Oliver Stone movie if he didn't direct it? Now I need to reboot my brain.
What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 12, 2022 at 11:03pm
I've been waiting a looooooooooooong time for nan to show proof of genocide in the past 5 years.But - the coup in 2014 - overrides everything. nan gets furious if we paint Putin in a bad light. If Ukraine conducted a special operation in Russia to save Ukrainian speaking people from a phony genocide - she'd be furious and blame the US for egging them on.nan - who in the cast of Ukraine on Fire would you say is NOT pro-Russia?
I've been waiting a looooooooooooong time for nan to show proof of genocide in the past 5 years.But - the coup in 2014 - overrides everything. nan gets furious if we paint Putin in a bad light. If Ukraine conducted a special operation in Russia to save Ukrainian speaking people from a phony genocide - she'd be furious and blame the US for egging them on.nan - who in the cast of Ukraine on Fire would you say is NOT pro-Russia?
What has Jimmy Dore been up to?
Jul 6, 2022 at 9:57pm
PVW said:Oh, and I assume that any allegations made in the movie meet a standard of proof at least as high as that of someone testifying under oath? Because you've repeatedly expressed the view that Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry's testimony is insufficient evidence in the context of the hacking of the DNC, so unless you're flagrantly engaging in double standards, Stone must have rock solid direct evidence, right? What is the big deal about watching a movie? I don't get it. I watch whatever crap people recommend here. I am going to finish Nalvaney. I'm more than half way through. The good part is coming up. I have seen all three of the Ukraine movies. Oliver Stone only made the first two. The second one features the opposition guy that Zelensky jailed. They first one is the best though. Make sure you see the first one: Ukraine on Fire. It's free on Netflix. It gets removed and then put back on with warnings. You can also pay to see it on Amazon Plus. Even my sister and boyfriend watched it and they tend to be more like you politically.
PVW said:Oh, and I assume that any allegations made in the movie meet a standard of proof at least as high as that of someone testifying under oath? Because you've repeatedly expressed the view that Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry's testimony is insufficient evidence in the context of the hacking of the DNC, so unless you're flagrantly engaging in double standards, Stone must have rock solid direct evidence, right? What is the big deal about watching a movie? I don't get it. I watch whatever crap people recommend here. I am going to finish Nalvaney. I'm more than half way through. The good part is coming up. I have seen all three of the Ukraine movies. Oliver Stone only made the first two. The second one features the opposition guy that Zelensky jailed. They first one is the best though. Make sure you see the first one: Ukraine on Fire. It's free on Netflix. It gets removed and then put back on with warnings. You can also pay to see it on Amazon Plus. Even my sister and boyfriend watched it and they tend to be more like you politically.
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May 6, 2022 at 6:40pm
nan said: nohero said: Ms. Nan's comment shows that she knows nothing about the film Maidan, which was filmed in 2013-2014 and released in 2014. Instead, she read about the film from one of her "news sources", which was lying to its audience. nohero's remarks show he has no idea about what I was thinking when I wrote those comments. He pretends to read my mind, just like thinks he thinks he has the Vulcan mind meld thing going on with Putin's brain. So, I did not, as accused, read about this movie from one of my much maligned news sources. I was thinking about a friend of mine who watched what I thought was his film "Maidan" on Netflix and then, at my suggestion, she watched Oliver Stone's movie "Ukraine on Fire" and she told me they were 180 degrees different, although using the same footage. Anyway, I was falling asleep when I wrote that and I made a mistake and I just checked and the Netflix movie is called "Winter on Fire" which tells about the Maidan but with no US involvement so it's propaganda and lies--but evidently done pretty well. I made an incorrect attribution and I don't know anything about this movie Maidan or the Dombass movies, but based on what I read on Wikipedia, I'm not hopeful that they give the big picture--that is a truthful portrayal of US involvement. How could they when nohero like them? Right? Perhaps someone who has seen them would like to comment on my concerns? In other words, you knew nothing but commented anyway, and won't use the internets to find out for yourself.
nan said: nohero said: Ms. Nan's comment shows that she knows nothing about the film Maidan, which was filmed in 2013-2014 and released in 2014. Instead, she read about the film from one of her "news sources", which was lying to its audience. nohero's remarks show he has no idea about what I was thinking when I wrote those comments. He pretends to read my mind, just like thinks he thinks he has the Vulcan mind meld thing going on with Putin's brain. So, I did not, as accused, read about this movie from one of my much maligned news sources. I was thinking about a friend of mine who watched what I thought was his film "Maidan" on Netflix and then, at my suggestion, she watched Oliver Stone's movie "Ukraine on Fire" and she told me they were 180 degrees different, although using the same footage. Anyway, I was falling asleep when I wrote that and I made a mistake and I just checked and the Netflix movie is called "Winter on Fire" which tells about the Maidan but with no US involvement so it's propaganda and lies--but evidently done pretty well. I made an incorrect attribution and I don't know anything about this movie Maidan or the Dombass movies, but based on what I read on Wikipedia, I'm not hopeful that they give the big picture--that is a truthful portrayal of US involvement. How could they when nohero like them? Right? Perhaps someone who has seen them would like to comment on my concerns? In other words, you knew nothing but commented anyway, and won't use the internets to find out for yourself.
Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine Edited
May 6, 2022 at 6:14pm
nohero said: Ms. Nan's comment shows that she knows nothing about the film Maidan, which was filmed in 2013-2014 and released in 2014. Instead, she read about the film from one of her "news sources", which was lying to its audience. nohero's remarks show he has no idea about what I was thinking when I wrote those comments. He pretends to read my mind, just like thinks he thinks he has the Vulcan mind meld thing going on with Putin's brain. So, I did not, as accused, read about this movie from one of my much maligned news sources. I was thinking about a friend of mine who watched what I thought was his film "Maidan" on Netflix and then, at my suggestion, she watched Oliver Stone's movie "Ukraine on Fire" and she told me they were 180 degrees different, although using the same footage. Anyway, I was falling asleep when I wrote that and I made a mistake and I just checked and the Netflix movie is called "Winter on Fire" which tells about the Maidan but with no US involvement so it's propaganda and lies--but evidently done pretty well. I made an incorrect attribution and I don't know anything about this movie Maidan or the Dombass movies, but based on what I read on Wikipedia, I'm not hopeful that they give the big picture--that is a truthful portrayal of US involvement. How could they when nohero like them? Right? Perhaps someone who has seen them would like to comment on my concerns?
nohero said: Ms. Nan's comment shows that she knows nothing about the film Maidan, which was filmed in 2013-2014 and released in 2014. Instead, she read about the film from one of her "news sources", which was lying to its audience. nohero's remarks show he has no idea about what I was thinking when I wrote those comments. He pretends to read my mind, just like thinks he thinks he has the Vulcan mind meld thing going on with Putin's brain. So, I did not, as accused, read about this movie from one of my much maligned news sources. I was thinking about a friend of mine who watched what I thought was his film "Maidan" on Netflix and then, at my suggestion, she watched Oliver Stone's movie "Ukraine on Fire" and she told me they were 180 degrees different, although using the same footage. Anyway, I was falling asleep when I wrote that and I made a mistake and I just checked and the Netflix movie is called "Winter on Fire" which tells about the Maidan but with no US involvement so it's propaganda and lies--but evidently done pretty well. I made an incorrect attribution and I don't know anything about this movie Maidan or the Dombass movies, but based on what I read on Wikipedia, I'm not hopeful that they give the big picture--that is a truthful portrayal of US involvement. How could they when nohero like them? Right? Perhaps someone who has seen them would like to comment on my concerns?
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 14, 2022 at 3:57pm
I did watch Ukraine on Fire and skimmed through the last one - and even cited an example (which you haven't replied to). I feel the whole thing is propaganda - so I'm asking you which particular piece would you want to people to see?It truly is pure Russian propaganda and it's remarkable that you're embracing it so much - weird. Fortunately, it doesn't appear that many other people are.And when Putin does have a public video clip in the movie - it's him walking through huge golden doors. Ugh! At least it's not western propaganda - right!!
I did watch Ukraine on Fire and skimmed through the last one - and even cited an example (which you haven't replied to). I feel the whole thing is propaganda - so I'm asking you which particular piece would you want to people to see?It truly is pure Russian propaganda and it's remarkable that you're embracing it so much - weird. Fortunately, it doesn't appear that many other people are.And when Putin does have a public video clip in the movie - it's him walking through huge golden doors. Ugh! At least it's not western propaganda - right!!
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 12, 2022 at 5:58pm
PVW said: So this was all orchestrated to create a direct confrontation with Russia, and now that Russia has invaded these same people are rejecting claims to impose a no-fly zone and categorically ruling out US ground troops so as to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia. Truly these are wheels within wheels. They are not avoiding a direct confrontation with Russia. They are figuring out how to sell it to us first. After five years of the Russiagate hoax they already have the US population thinking Putin is a crazy dictator and unmitigated evil with a drunken lust for world domination. He does not seem like Mr. Nice Guy, but neither do other world leaders we seem to be fine with. Right now we are getting all kissy-face with Maduro and just last year we were saying he was a dictator and not even the president. It's all how they market things and who has oil and prime real estate.If you believe the myth that NATO does not matter and that Putin is crazy and just wants power and to do cruel things to others and you see lots of innocents being slaughtered and a country that "just wants to be free to choose" and other elements you will probably start to think we need to go over there and do regime change in Russia. I read that 70% of people already support a "no-fly zone" although I doubt they know what that means. I do know what it means and I am just not in the mood for nuclear war. Are you?We get lied into war after war and yet here is is again and everyone is just falling in line. When I had my sister, a devout Democrat, watch Ukraine on Fire, she was shocked and remarked, "well no one ever sees any thing except the same view."
PVW said: So this was all orchestrated to create a direct confrontation with Russia, and now that Russia has invaded these same people are rejecting claims to impose a no-fly zone and categorically ruling out US ground troops so as to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia. Truly these are wheels within wheels. They are not avoiding a direct confrontation with Russia. They are figuring out how to sell it to us first. After five years of the Russiagate hoax they already have the US population thinking Putin is a crazy dictator and unmitigated evil with a drunken lust for world domination. He does not seem like Mr. Nice Guy, but neither do other world leaders we seem to be fine with. Right now we are getting all kissy-face with Maduro and just last year we were saying he was a dictator and not even the president. It's all how they market things and who has oil and prime real estate.If you believe the myth that NATO does not matter and that Putin is crazy and just wants power and to do cruel things to others and you see lots of innocents being slaughtered and a country that "just wants to be free to choose" and other elements you will probably start to think we need to go over there and do regime change in Russia. I read that 70% of people already support a "no-fly zone" although I doubt they know what that means. I do know what it means and I am just not in the mood for nuclear war. Are you?We get lied into war after war and yet here is is again and everyone is just falling in line. When I had my sister, a devout Democrat, watch Ukraine on Fire, she was shocked and remarked, "well no one ever sees any thing except the same view."
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Mar 5, 2022 at 12:01pm
nan said: jamie said:The "experts" in Ukraine on Fire" are providing the propaganda for the current invasion they're carrying out. It's absolutely bizarre that you're buying this absolute one sided garbage. Vlad wants to exterminate the Nazis, he isn't using the uprise in 2014 as the reason, he's using the end of WWII as the reason.If you want to help you side, you could explain to us - who are the key Nazis on the hit list - where are they - how many are in the government, etc. What are your experts saying on how a proper denazification will occur? nan says:Again, speaking about a movie you have not seen. I have posted many articles about the far-right groups (Nazis). Why should I post more when you don't read them anyway? This is typical of you to demand that I provide information and then ignore it when I do.(can't get the green to turn off --been awhile since I've been here and I forget.
nan said: jamie said:The "experts" in Ukraine on Fire" are providing the propaganda for the current invasion they're carrying out. It's absolutely bizarre that you're buying this absolute one sided garbage. Vlad wants to exterminate the Nazis, he isn't using the uprise in 2014 as the reason, he's using the end of WWII as the reason.If you want to help you side, you could explain to us - who are the key Nazis on the hit list - where are they - how many are in the government, etc. What are your experts saying on how a proper denazification will occur? nan says:Again, speaking about a movie you have not seen. I have posted many articles about the far-right groups (Nazis). Why should I post more when you don't read them anyway? This is typical of you to demand that I provide information and then ignore it when I do.(can't get the green to turn off --been awhile since I've been here and I forget.
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Mar 5, 2022 at 11:47am
jamie said:The "experts" in Ukraine on Fire" are providing the propaganda for the current invasion they're carrying out. It's absolutely bizarre that you're buying this absolute one sided garbage. Vlad wants to exterminate the Nazis, he isn't using the uprise in 2014 as the reason, he's using the end of WWII as the reason.If you want to help you side, you could explain to us - who are the key Nazis on the hit list - where are they - how many are in the government, etc. What are your experts saying on how a proper denazification will occur? Again, speaking about a movie you have not seen. I have posted many articles about the far-right groups (Nazis). Why should I post more when you don't read them anyway? This is typical of you to demand that I provide information and then ignore it when I do so.
jamie said:The "experts" in Ukraine on Fire" are providing the propaganda for the current invasion they're carrying out. It's absolutely bizarre that you're buying this absolute one sided garbage. Vlad wants to exterminate the Nazis, he isn't using the uprise in 2014 as the reason, he's using the end of WWII as the reason.If you want to help you side, you could explain to us - who are the key Nazis on the hit list - where are they - how many are in the government, etc. What are your experts saying on how a proper denazification will occur? Again, speaking about a movie you have not seen. I have posted many articles about the far-right groups (Nazis). Why should I post more when you don't read them anyway? This is typical of you to demand that I provide information and then ignore it when I do so.
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 5, 2022 at 10:01am
nan said:So, according to you, there are bad, untruthful documentaries in the world so Ukraine on Fire must be a bad movie? Zero logic. If that was what ridski had said, you’d be right about the logic. Instead, he was pointing to the zero logic behind your inference that if a movie is a documentary it must be factual. (DB beat me to it.)“Watch the movie” is the reply of someone who can’t address PVW’s comments and questions on her own two feet. It’s the kind of reply that propagandists aim for.DaveSchmidt said:nan said: Duh, there were 2 candidates in 2016. In 2020 there are 20. Like Nate Silver, you can't do math.Please explain how that matters. (I told you I’d ask.) nan said:DaveSchmidt said:Please explain how that matters. (I told you I’d ask.) Watch the video.
nan said:So, according to you, there are bad, untruthful documentaries in the world so Ukraine on Fire must be a bad movie? Zero logic. If that was what ridski had said, you’d be right about the logic. Instead, he was pointing to the zero logic behind your inference that if a movie is a documentary it must be factual. (DB beat me to it.)“Watch the movie” is the reply of someone who can’t address PVW’s comments and questions on her own two feet. It’s the kind of reply that propagandists aim for.DaveSchmidt said:nan said: Duh, there were 2 candidates in 2016. In 2020 there are 20. Like Nate Silver, you can't do math.Please explain how that matters. (I told you I’d ask.) nan said:DaveSchmidt said:Please explain how that matters. (I told you I’d ask.) Watch the video.
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Mar 5, 2022 at 9:57am
nan said: Plandemic is a documentary. Loose Change is a documentary. Patriot Purge is a documentary. Vaxxed is a documentary.----------------------------------So, according to you, there are bad, untruthful documentaries in the world so Ukraine on Fire must be a bad movie? Zero logic.Good thing I'm a patient special ed teacher. Let me break it down for you. It's called "Author's Purpose" when they teach it in elementary school.People make fiction/fantasy movies to entertain. They make documentaries to inform and persuade. People watch documentaries and they may be informed or persuaded or they may find fault with the material presented. Because one movie has been found to have lots of faults (Did you watch the other movies you are trashing either? I'm guessing not) does not automatically mean another movie is garbage. They are separate entities, made by discrete bodies. no according to Ridski, calling something a documentary is not sufficient to claim that it is truthful, which you are doing.
nan said: Plandemic is a documentary. Loose Change is a documentary. Patriot Purge is a documentary. Vaxxed is a documentary.----------------------------------So, according to you, there are bad, untruthful documentaries in the world so Ukraine on Fire must be a bad movie? Zero logic.Good thing I'm a patient special ed teacher. Let me break it down for you. It's called "Author's Purpose" when they teach it in elementary school.People make fiction/fantasy movies to entertain. They make documentaries to inform and persuade. People watch documentaries and they may be informed or persuaded or they may find fault with the material presented. Because one movie has been found to have lots of faults (Did you watch the other movies you are trashing either? I'm guessing not) does not automatically mean another movie is garbage. They are separate entities, made by discrete bodies. no according to Ridski, calling something a documentary is not sufficient to claim that it is truthful, which you are doing.
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Mar 5, 2022 at 8:58am
nan said: Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film. Plandemic is a documentary. Loose Change is a documentary. Patriot Purge is a documentary. Vaxxed is a documentary.
nan said: Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film. Plandemic is a documentary. Loose Change is a documentary. Patriot Purge is a documentary. Vaxxed is a documentary.
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 4, 2022 at 6:32pm
nan said: Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film. If I had even the slightest hope that, were I to watch the movie, you and I would be able to have a reasonable discussion about it, I might be tempted. But you watched the movie already and seem unable to present its argument, so why would that change if I watched it?
nan said: Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film. If I had even the slightest hope that, were I to watch the movie, you and I would be able to have a reasonable discussion about it, I might be tempted. But you watched the movie already and seem unable to present its argument, so why would that change if I watched it?
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 4, 2022 at 6:22pm
PVW said: Sure. Most fiction does. Doesn't mean I should use Romeo and Juliette as a travel guide to Verona though. Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film.
PVW said: Sure. Most fiction does. Doesn't mean I should use Romeo and Juliette as a travel guide to Verona though. Ukraine on Fire is a documentary. Do you know what documentary is? What does it matter anyway since you refuse to watch the film.
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 3, 2022 at 10:29pm
BTW "Ukraine on Fire" is literally happening right now - thanks to a war started by . . . . . . Vlad. Do you dispute this? Or is it justified cause of the MSM and NATO?At least in the USA will can still say WAR! :-)
BTW "Ukraine on Fire" is literally happening right now - thanks to a war started by . . . . . . Vlad. Do you dispute this? Or is it justified cause of the MSM and NATO?At least in the USA will can still say WAR! :-)
What does Putin want (and whatabout it) Edited
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:38pm
jamie said: We've since this mentioned by you at least 30 times before:https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/search/advanced?keyword=Ukraine+on+Fire&search-in=all-comments&filters=search-all-query-words&sort=newest-firstTo save us some time - specify a few minutes of it - point someone out - and what his current role is in what's happening today. I love all the Mark Twain quotes throughout. The anxious soundtrack throughout is incredibly effective also.It was a ridiculous doc then and it still is! Incredibly one sided - but effective propaganda for convincing some people out there.I don't have time to go down this rabbit hole - here's one pretty good response:https://khpg.org/en/1480891067 What part of the movie is propaganda?
jamie said: We've since this mentioned by you at least 30 times before:https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/search/advanced?keyword=Ukraine+on+Fire&search-in=all-comments&filters=search-all-query-words&sort=newest-firstTo save us some time - specify a few minutes of it - point someone out - and what his current role is in what's happening today. I love all the Mark Twain quotes throughout. The anxious soundtrack throughout is incredibly effective also.It was a ridiculous doc then and it still is! Incredibly one sided - but effective propaganda for convincing some people out there.I don't have time to go down this rabbit hole - here's one pretty good response:https://khpg.org/en/1480891067 What part of the movie is propaganda?
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There is one other aspect to my stance on video that's specific to the context of online debates. I try hard to be fair when debating, and part of that is being consistent in standards -- ie not expecting people to do or meet effort I'm not willing to do myself. Watching videos critically inherently takes a lot of work; you have to really pay attention and filter out a lot of extraneous data -- music, irrelevant images, etc -- to isolate the actual argument and points being made, and after you do so anyone else looking to the video as a source has to do the same thing. It's not work I'm willing to do, and so can't be work I expect others to do, especially as these arguments are always available in an accessible, non-video form.For instance, if Nan were to say "I watched Ukraine on Fire, and it really made an impression on me -- here are the points I took away from it" that'd be totally fine -- she watched the video and has extracted what she thinks is relevant and sharing that. Everyone else can engage on whether those points make a good argument or a poor one. Instead, though, if you ask her what the video says, she only says "watch the video" -- she's unable to pick out the actual argument and present it. But if I were to only demand that from Nan, while I myself started sharing videos I found convincing, then I can pretty easily end up having a double standard.So it's just easier all around to say "I don't watch videos." I don't cut myself off from any well-made arguments, and avoid the danger of sliding into favoritism or double standards.