The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
South_Mountaineer said:
Nancy Pelosi is one of the biggest monsters in the GOP mind, but nobody ever explains why. They just say "Nancy Pelosi" as if it is self-explanatory
Yes! Why is that? It must be related to "You'll have to wait until we pass it to see what's in it."
Former Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, a very conservative Republican told a public forum that Nancy Pelosi was a very nice person and was attacked by a constituent who argued with him. He responded by saying that he know her and asked the constituent rhetorically "Have you ever met her"?
http://thefederalist.com/2017/...
Review of history and about people living in glass houses
mtierney said:
http://thefederalist.com/2017/...
Review of history and about people living in glass houses
So TrumpRussia is actually Obama's Katrina?
no
ObamaBenghazi was the avil that crushed his legacy
Resistant movement will sink Dems
Trump??
mtierney said:
sac said:
mtierney said:
It's a balancing act.
Good and evil
Right and wrong
Free will
Prayer
Faith
It isn't always easy, but worth the trouble.
That's nice, but it isn't an answer.
Not the answer you are looking for -- but it is my answer.
JimMurphy asks what is free will?
It is doing what your conscience, after thinking about whatever is the issue, gives you the confidence to make your own decision.
It's complicated.
I rest my case.
lord_pabulum said:
If Democrats can vote for Christie, they can vote for anyone.
Yes I suppose that's true. Not relevant, but true.
a counterfactual that makes no sense.
lord_pabulum said:
If Democrats can vote for Christie, they can vote for anyone.
is this some kind of haiku?
mtierney said:
no
ObamaBenghazi was the avil that crushed his legacy
Resistant movement will sink Dems
Trump??
Just my response to Ridski's post.
drummerboy said:
is this some kind of haiku?
mtierney said:
no
ObamaBenghazi was the avil that crushed his legacy
Resistant movement will sink Dems
Trump??
The fact that Benghazi is still considered an "issue", and not what the current President actually is doing and saying, shows the difficulty in reaching Trump voters or GOP voters in general.
mtierney said:
Just my response to Ridski's post.
drummerboy said:
is this some kind of haiku?
mtierney said:
no
ObamaBenghazi was the avil that crushed his legacy
Resistant movement will sink Dems
Trump??
drummerboy said:
a counterfactual that makes no sense.
lord_pabulum said:
If Democrats can vote for Christie, they can vote for anyone.
From someone whose counter argument is SHUT UP
decided to follow DJT on Twitter just yesterday to see what it was all about.
If these incidents are not a call for violence, what are they? It is not free speech to wish for someone's death! It is inciting violence and is a terroristic threat!
His apology falls flat.
with Depp, it's a blatant attempt at media cover.
When the BBC covered the story many hours ago, they also included a sidebar with the rundown on US law including recent rulings on actors, comedy, the boundaries of treason and incitement to violence. So you'll find that a wide proportion of people are either discounting most such commentary for the superficial 'symbolism' projected or are not really paying attention.
This is the best link to that backgrounder I can currently find.
regardless, your counterfactual makes no sense.
SHUT UP is not a counter argument, by the way. It is an expression of frustration at monumental stupidity.
lord_pabulum said:
drummerboy said:
a counterfactual that makes no sense.
lord_pabulum said:
If Democrats can vote for Christie, they can vote for anyone.
From someone whose counter argument is SHUT UP
the people who may be "paying attention" I fear, are the lonely, disconnected or alienated such as the gunman in Virginia.
In no way is the inciting of violence by celebrities, who are seeking the media spotlight for themselves , ever OK.
Condoning this behavior toward our President is disgusting and shameful. Worse than the instigator who seeks affirmation -- and gets it!
I must have missed when you were appalled by Ted Nugent saying that Obama should suck on a machine gun.
At least I'm consistent. I wasn't outraged by Nugent and I'm not outraged by Griffin and Depp. Sometimes a knuckleheaded joke is just a knuckleheaded joke. You on the other hand, seem more upset about bad jokes about violence toward a Republican than a Democrat.
mtierney said:
the people who may be "paying attention" I fear, are the lonely, disconnected or alienated such as the gunman in Virginia.
In no way is the inciting of violence by celebrities, who are seeking the media spotlight for themselves , ever OK.
Condoning this behavior toward our President is disgusting and shameful. Worse than the instigator who seeks affirmation -- and gets it!
I also missed when you were outraged by this:
Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She’s Targeting In 2010
http://www.hollywoodsgoldenage...
http://www.independent.co.uk/a...
http://www.indiewire.com/2015/... (interesting list, especially the older ones)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw... (long but interesting discussion of Hollywood history including listing background political manipulations in getting famous actors and movies made and distributed)
London Has Fallen, released last year, isn't satire and didn't get rave reviews - mainly because people said it's cliched and relies on people's fears. D didn't know when he went to run it at lunchtime today. We turned it off after 5 mins: it's like reading the last month's news. But has anyone accused anyone involved with of inciting violence and terrorism??? Um, no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
There's a very long and well-known social and political commentary tradition in democratic societies, and the US has prided itself on being the foremost of these. Given the kinds of lyrics featured in so much popular music over recent decades, the kinds of games played in people's homes and local communities let alone on their phones now, I hardly think that a weak joke by 'a professional liar not an actor' (clearly begging for some kind of major media coverage yet carefully NOT including any call to practical violent action) is going to have an effective result.
If people do, then your society has really deteriorated tremendously, for many decades, and not even Trump losing office/stepping down would help.
I feel like a satire binge coming on: this list is Hollywood satirising Hollywood
http://www.indiewire.com/2014/...
The top 25 movies about US politics...and I don't think you could attribute a single violent social reaction to any of them despite what's portrayed
http://www.vanityfair.com/holl...
We can all pray you are right, but I see a change or division in America that is new and scary.
I read a movie review in the Daily Mail -- could not get a link -- about two Finish women in a Western Australia bar which suggests reality films and TV may have gone too far.
It is so hard today for people to delineate truth from fake-- impressionalbe minds perhaps cannot.
We are in an era which does not relate to any other.
mtierney said:
We can all pray you are right, but I see a change or division in America that is new and scary.
It's not new. It just didn't bother you when the target was Obama. You didn't care when it was Obama hanged in effigy, or right wing gun nut celebrities making jokes about killing him, or a production of Julius Caesar with an Obama-looking protagonist.
Your hypocrisy on this is breathtaking.
ml1 said:
mtierney said:
We can all pray you are right, but I see a change or division in America that is new and scary.
It's not new. It just didn't bother you when the target was Obama. You didn't care when it was Obama hanged in effigy, or right wing gun nut celebrities making jokes about killing him, or a production of Julius Caesar with an Obama-looking protagonist.
Your hypocrisy on this is breathtaking.
+1
Breathtaking but normal for a Trumpie.
mtierney said:
We can all pray you are right, but I see a change or division in America that is new and scary.
I read a movie review in the Daily Mail -- could not get a link -- about two Finish women in a Western Australia bar which suggests reality films and TV may have gone too far.
It is so hard today for people to delineate truth from fake-- impressionalbe minds perhaps cannot.
We are in an era which does not relate to any other.
I'm intrigued by the inclusion of the documentary Hotel Coolgardie, which follows the abuse of two Finnish backpackers who had been robbed in Bali and took jobs as bartenders in an Australian mining town, and points out that this kind of blatant sexism and expectation that bartender=sex worker happens on a daily basis there.
What relevance do you see between this film and the idea that we should not satirize the president for fear that madmen with guns will enact whatever craziness already exists because inside their heads?
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If Democrats can vote for Christie, they can vote for anyone.