UK Engaged in Large-Scale Secret Propaganda War Against Russia
nan said:
Short video interview with UK professor Piers Robinson about the Integrity Initiative. He says, "‘It seems to be just as much about promoting and shoring up official UK policy towards Russia as it about countering any Russia threat.' It's on RT, so some will complain about that, but since the mainstream media is not doing their job, this is what's available.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/168og3zUMGG9achBXaM8hsjQQvKaCNSXv/view
Piers Robinson is one of the authors of the "Briefing note" by the "Working Group on Syria, Propaganda and Media", he's not an independent commentator. He's just repeating his own claims.
He also claims that accusing Russia of being behind the poisoning of the former Russian spy is because of Syria, or something like that.
In the wake of the British government's accusations against the Russian government for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, Professor Piers Robinson, Chair of Politics and Society and Political Journalism at the University of Sheffield spoke exclusively to Sputnik about the political purposes of encouraging such sentiments.
"There is an immediate question over the situation in Syria, broadly speaking I think there's a strategic failure from the West's point of view in Syria. In that context, the political drive to ratchet up the pressure against Russia has been intensified. That might be because they're seeking an escalation in Syria."
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062574895-uk-russia-russophobia-skripal/
And he's also in the 9/11 Truther camp, as in this review he wrote of a Truther book.
It is against this backdrop that 9/11 Unmasked by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth now emerges. The book is the culmination of seven years work by the 9/11 Consensus Panel which includes 23 experts from fields including physics, chemistry, structural engineering, aeronautical engineering, piloting, airplane crash investigation, medicine, journalism, psychology, and religion. It’s honorary members include the late Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary Pres. of the Italian Supreme Court, and others listed here, including Lynn Margulis (also late). The panel has examined and reviewed a wide variety of evidence which brings into question the official narrative regarding 9/11 and employed a standard ‘best-evidence consensus model’ commonly used in science and medicine in which each ‘consensus point’ was only accepted after three rounds of review and a vote of at least 85 percent.
The results, detailed and fully referenced, are presented in this book and cover remarkably wide and disparate areas in which the official narrative, as sanctioned by the official 9/11 Commission Report, are questioned. These areas include questions regarding the collapse of the Twin Towers and the third building, WTC7, which collapsed much later in the day, the attack on the Pentagon, the hijacked flights, US military exercises on and before 9/11, the activities of key military and political leaders, the relationship between the alleged hijackers and Osama bin Laden and evidence concerning insider trading.
Jamie,
Would it be possible for you to edit every thread in this subforum so that this video is in the first post?
LIke Trump, sbenois feels he is entitled to his own set of facts.
Getting back to this modern day Operation Mockingbird, this is from RT, who are justifiably pissed, because the mainstream media is, once again, not doing their job. This article starts with a good overview of the program and then discusses what it has done and a critique of the mainstream media ignoring the story.
Integrity Initiative is the biggest story of 2018 – but not because of anything it did
https://www.rt.com/news/447256-integrity-initiative-psyops-establishment-media/
Exposing a sinister state-funded underhand influence network is a scoop. Yet the real conspiracy is the blind eye turned by the Western establishment, which appears fine with subterfuge, as long as it doesn't come from Russia.
A challenge for the MSM
But for all its limited scope, its transgressions of the norms of civil society are hair-raising.
As is the blanket of silence from the media.
In the first few weeks after the leak, the mainstream UK press simply ignored it even though editors must have seen it on social media, RT or Sputnik. When the story was picked up it was just about the use of Integrity Initiative's official Twitter account to retweet negative messages about Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. After the Foreign Office was forced into replying, and claimed that the Institute for Statecraft "is independent of government and is non-partisan," its statement was reprinted by all major UK outlets in a news wire format, without any questioning or a sarcasm emoji. Six weeks after the original upload, and despite questions being raised in parliament, not one of the major outlets on either side of the Atlantic has bothered to authenticate or catalogue the leaks, and publish the findings. Even a summary of the documents, as above, cannot be read in any popular English-language newspaper.
This is the media that fearlessly probed Russian meddling before the Brexit referendum, uncovering that 73p was spent by Moscow on Facebook to swing that vote. Here is an actual government document claiming that the social network is funding a psyops organization. Specific schemes outlining propaganda operations on Russian territory. The Guardian's Carole Cadwalladr, incidentally listed as a speaker at one of the Integrity Initiative events, has tirelessly dug into the personal history of Arron Banks' suspiciously Russian wife, surely she could spend a day sifting through some PDF files. Maybe Twitter, which bans supposed foreign influence accounts could have a look at the Integrity Initiative one, which continues to spread its message without restriction.
Moscow is said to be swaying elections, starting protests and setting off revolutions with a few troll accounts, some targeted advertising, and a few meetings, often with highly circumstantial evidence or wild speculation woven together to make the story work. Here are black-on-white claims that an official in a foreign country was sabotaged, and prevented from taking their post. Does democracy not die in darkness?
Perhaps this doesn't fit the anti-Russian or by corollary, the anti-Trump narrative? Perhaps, this is so, but then the media should admit that they are not the intrepid truth-tellers, but just peddlers of agendas. Or do they think that this story would not be interesting enough? Our audience metrics suggest the opposite. Is it a suddenly-found loyalty to their country? Then don't claim to have a free media, admit that the newspapers and the BBC merely serve the Queen, and not their readers. Possibly, they are simply so complacent about the West being in the right, and Russia being the villain, that they don't even see any inconsistency. One standard for our friends, another for our enemies.
The Russian media landscape is often treated by European and US journalists as a puppeteered spectacle, but there are outlets writing exposes, talking about even the inconvenient allegations, such as troll farms or the Skripals. Subjects aren't hushed up as if by a single order. It is the monolithic nature of the mainstream Western incuriosity that is so surprising here – there are no dissenting voices at all. They can't all be part of the 'inner core' of an Integrity Initiative cluster, can they?
So here is a challenge: next time a Western media journalist sits down to magic into existence another evidence-free article about how the Kremlin is causing the Yellow Vest protests in France, why not write a straightforward and factual summary of the Integrity Initiative affair instead.
If you think I have facts wrong, then please state them and your evidence to the contrary. I have reported your post, by the way. It is off-topic and trolling. Supposedly that is not allowed.
Sorry, anything from RT shouldn't be taken too factually.
Please post one RT article critical of Putin. Their propaganda machine is having a profound affect on the likes on nan. I'm astounded by their reporting, but that's how Putin operates.
This was one of their responses:
Dear RT, I can't be bothered to fight with you today. Instead, here's a Christmas tale. A memory of Russia..before Putin. And how it felt there back in '92. Before a generation of oligarchs & politicians robbed you blind. Love the country. Hate the autocrat.Putin has been in power for 18 years (yes including the phony PM role) - why haven't any of you anti-MSM spoken out against Freedom of the press in Russia - Freedom of Assembly - LGBTQ rights - etc?
jamie said:
Sorry, anything from RT shouldn't be taken too factually.
Please post one RT article critical of Putin. Their propaganda machine is having a profound affect on the likes on nan. I'm astounded by their reporting, but that's how Putin operates.
This was one of their responses:
Dear RT, I can't be bothered to fight with you today. Instead, here's a Christmas tale. A memory of Russia..before Putin. And how it felt there back in '92. Before a generation of oligarchs & politicians robbed you blind. Love the country. Hate the autocrat.Putin has been in power for 18 years (yes including the phony PM role) - why haven't any of you anti-MSM spoken out against Freedom of the press in Russia - Freedom of Assembly - LGBTQ rights - etc?
I don't know if RT criticizes Putin, because I don't listen to them enough to tell. Any popular media can be criticized for bias. Our mainstream media is puppet for the establishment, and always pro-war and pro-status quo. The role of the media is to scrutinize those in power, not hang not hang out as buddies. Our media criticizes Trump, but not the fundamental system that made him possible. They did not even cover this story and they give people like Bill Browder a free pass. That is as bad or worse than not criticizing Putin. In our media, any journalist who does not follow the establishment line gets fired and many of these people have migrated to RT because that is who hired them. So, thanks to RT voices like Chris Hedges, Ed Schultz, Daniel Ellsberg, and many others have a voice. So, even if RT gives Putin a free pass (and I doubt they do), there are still quality segments there not to be missed. If you dismiss RT just because they are Russian (and not consider that similar mechanism like the Integrity Initiative have cause you to think that way) than you are missing out some of the most insightful thinkers today. The more intelligent approach would be to read widely with a skeptical view of everything. The article I posted above about the Integrity Initiative reveals some truths you should not ignore. But, I'm sure you will because you don't seem to even consider that your negative views on Russia could be anything but truth and not even close to the Manufactured Consent they appear to be.
You can defend RT as much as you like - their' still Putin's propaganda wing.
Everything you just said - is RT's narrative/talking points - you're their biggest puppet on here.
jamie said:
You can defend RT as much as you like - their' still Putin's propaganda wing.
Everything you just said - is RT's narrative/talking points - you're their biggest puppet on here.
Really, based on what? You can sling personal attacks, but you can not give examples and argue a point. That indicates someone who is not thinking deeply. How do you know RT's talking points so well? You accuse me of being a puppet of RT, but I have no idea what their talking points are--I hardly even listen to them outside of Chris Hedges, "On Contact" show and a few others. So, it sounds like you must spend more time paying attention to be such an expert. Please share the details of your wisdom from all the hours of critical viewing.
Their homepage is the equivalent to the National Enquirer for "USA is corrupt" - "Russia is great". If you don't see that - that says a lot.
You ARE their talking points. Whether you know it or not. They're main agenda is to sow discord and bash the MSM. Why do you think Putin up'd the budget for media - why do you thing they're hiring the all of fringe media guys?
jamie said:
Sorry, anything from RT shouldn't be taken too factually.
Please post one RT article critical of Putin. Their propaganda machine is having a profound affect on the likes on nan. I'm astounded by their reporting, but that's how Putin operates.
This was one of their responses:
Dear RT, I can't be bothered to fight with you today. Instead, here's a Christmas tale. A memory of Russia..before Putin. And how it felt there back in '92. Before a generation of oligarchs & politicians robbed you blind. Love the country. Hate the autocrat.Putin has been in power for 18 years (yes including the phony PM role) - why haven't any of you anti-MSM spoken out against Freedom of the press in Russia - Freedom of Assembly - LGBTQ rights - etc?
I agree that RT doesn't criticize Putin, and everything they publish must be scrutinized for bias. But that doesn't mean everything they publish is unreliable. Their material has to be considered on a case-by-case basis.
Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin. Like RT, they should be scrutinized for bias and considered on a case-by-case basis.
The same principles apply to US media.
Nothing should be accepted on faith.
paulsurovell said:Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin.
Please name a couple that are based in and run by Russians.
jamie said:
Their homepage is the equivalent to the National Enquirer for "USA is corrupt" - "Russia is great". If you don't see that - that says a lot.
You ARE their talking points. Whether you know it or not. They're main agenda is to sow discord and bash the MSM. Why do you think Putin up'd the budget for media - why do you thing they're hiring the all of fringe media guys?
And our homepage is "Russia is corrupt" - "USA is great." If you don't see that --that says a lot.
How am I their talking point? You just accuse me and you don't give examples or let me defend myself.
There is lots to bash in the MSM --why do you defend them? And what do you mean by "fringe media guys?" Does that include anyone who had to leave or was fired from MSM because they challenged the establishment view? You are the one who is uncritically believing what you are told by CNN/MSNBC.
If you want to talk about budgets - lets look at the US miltary budget which is 10 times the size of the next 10 countries below. That makes anything Putin does small potatoes to the US.
jamie said:
I will defend our MSM any day over RT - yes.
We would you defend either? You should read all media critically. Have you not at least learned that?
paulsurovell said:
jamie said:I agree that RT doesn't criticize Putin, and everything they publish must be scrutinized for bias. But that doesn't mean everything they publish is unreliable. Their material has to be considered on a case-by-case basis.
Sorry, anything from RT shouldn't be taken too factually.
Please post one RT article critical of Putin. Their propaganda machine is having a profound affect on the likes on nan. I'm astounded by their reporting, but that's how Putin operates.
This was one of their responses:
Dear RT, I can't be bothered to fight with you today. Instead, here's a Christmas tale. A memory of Russia..before Putin. And how it felt there back in '92. Before a generation of oligarchs & politicians robbed you blind. Love the country. Hate the autocrat.Putin has been in power for 18 years (yes including the phony PM role) - why haven't any of you anti-MSM spoken out against Freedom of the press in Russia - Freedom of Assembly - LGBTQ rights - etc?
Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin. Like RT, they should be scrutinized for bias and considered on a case-by-case basis.
The same principles apply to US media.
Nothing should be accepted on faith.
Exactly! Why is this so hard to get through to some people? You can't just listen to the MSM and be an informed person. You must expand what you read and be critical of everything.
Just remember - Trump made the MSM the enemy of the people. Any generalization of the MSM falls right into the Putin Propaganda/Trump sweet spot and tears into our Freedom of the Press.
jamie said:
Just remember - Trump made the MSM the enemy of the people. Any generalization of the MSM falls right into the Putin Propaganda/Trump sweet spot and tears into our Freedom of the Press.
It is not my fault that the MSM makes Trump right sometimes. Trump saying CNN is crap does not make CNN good. The freedom of the press is illusionary when dissenting voices are silenced and people like Julian Assange are vilified. The mainstream media press does not cover stories that truly criticize the system they support and they openly lie when they let Bill Browder spew his Cold War 2.0 garbage or ignore the Integrity Initiative scandal or minimize the yellow vest protests. One can hate Trump and hate CNN too.
ok, point to us why you currently hate CNN. Are they fake news? Are bad because they're not covering Browder every 2 minutes? What is currently fake on their home page?
You need examples - not generalizations.
jamie said:
ok, point to us why you currently hate CNN. Are they fake news? Are bad because they're not covering Browder every 2 minutes? What is currently fake on their home page?
You need examples - not generalizations.
Here is just one example I just came across while scrolling through Twitter:
https://twitter.com/jricole/status/1078003512624271367
Even Paul Krugman and la egendary former reporter can't believe how bad they are.
jamie said:
So - Krugman is with the NYTimes - do you consider them MSM at all?
The New York Times is as mainstream as it gets. I showed you two people from the mainstream criticizing CNN. Isn't that what you asked for? And no I don't expect them to talk about Browder every two minutes. I would like them to ask him one challenging question, instead of accepting everything he spouts as gospel. He's listed as working for the Integrity Initiative, by the way--so he's he's got a real job promoting anti-Russian propaganda. Does that not make you pause?
Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin.
Paul - just thought I'd re-post this statement of yours - perhaps nan could provide an answer as well.
Please name a couple non-government media sources that criticize Putin that are based in Russia and run by Russians - you said there are many. TIA
jamie said:
Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin.Paul - just thought I'd re-post this statement of yours - perhaps nan could provide an answer as well.
Please name a couple non-government media sources that criticize Putin that are based in Russia and run by Russians - you said there are many. TIA
Well, as I have mentioned multiple times on the Bill Browder thread, Andrei Nekrasov was a big Putin critic and made a movie about a guy he thought Putin poisoned. The Browder film started out as a Putin critique also, until Nekrasov discovered that Browder was lying while making the film--but had he not done so it would have been anti-Putin.
More on the Integrity Initiative as the investigation continues:
More evidence emerges about UK ‘psyops’ project; claim that minister ‘misled’ parliament
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) minister is accused of misleading parliament, regarding the role of the Integrity Initiative. Integrity is an FCO-funded project that claims to specialise in countering disinformation. But from documents hacked by Anonymous and seen by The Canary, it’s clear that it’s also active in ‘psyops’ (psychological operations) across Europe and beyond.
Now, a newly released hacked document shows that not only do Integrity and its sponsor (the Institute for Statecraft) work closely with the FCO, but Statecraft is advising that government department on its future direction.
Institute for Statecraft slams door in Labour MP’s face
Chris Williamson MP visited the alleged ‘psyops‘ organisation the Institute for Statecraft (at The Temple, near London’s Embankment) on the morning of 19 December 2018. Statecraft is funded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) and Ministry of Defence (MOD).
Rude!
Upon arriving at the offices of Statecraft, Williamson knocked on the door. A young man answered, and once he confirmed that he was with Statecraft, Williamson identified himself as the Labour MP for Derby North. The young man said he would get the director, “Dan”, and closed the door. A few moments later, “Dan” opened the door. But when Williamson started to identify himself, “Dan” then slammed the door in his face, without saying anything.
Dan Lafayeedney
The Canary has compared a photo of Dan Lafayeedney (passed to it by David Miller of the Organisation for Propaganda Studies) with a still taken of “Dan” before he slammed the door. We can confirm that “Dan” is in fact Dan Lafayeedney – a co-founder and co-director of Statecraft.
The Canary understands that, minutes after the encounter, Lafayeedney was seen still shouting at the young man from Statecraft who had initially opened the door.
nan said:
jamie said:Well, as I have mentioned multiple times on the Bill Browder thread, Andrei Nekrasov was a big Putin critic and made a movie about a guy he thought Putin poisoned. The Browder film started out as a Putin critique also, until Nekrasov discovered that Browder was lying while making the film--but had he not done so it would have been anti-Putin.
Beyond RT there are many non-government media sources in Russia that criticize Putin.Paul - just thought I'd re-post this statement of yours - perhaps nan could provide an answer as well.
Please name a couple non-government media sources that criticize Putin that are based in Russia and run by Russians - you said there are many. TIA
And the media outlet is . . . . .?
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Short video interview with UK professor Piers Robinson about the Integrity Initiative. He says, "‘It seems to be just as much about promoting and shoring up official UK policy towards Russia as it about countering any Russia threat.' It's on RT, so some will complain about that, but since the mainstream media is not doing their job, this is what's available.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/168og3zUMGG9achBXaM8hsjQQvKaCNSXv/view