DUMP TRUMP (previously 2020 candidates)

PVW said:

RealityForAll said:

PVW said:

nan said:

I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11. NEVER!!!!! However, even if I did,

 When you have to follow up "I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" with "even if I did", you have a problem.

 Right.  

Alternatives:

1.  If nan does not respond then she is a racist.

2.  If nan states  that she "DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" then she is a racist.

Do you see a problem with your analysis?

The "even if I did" here suggests that there is some scenario where it is acceptable to suggest that "the Jews were behind 9/11."

There is not.

There is no combination of words that can follow the "even if I did" that ends well.

I generally argue in favor of more nuance, but 9/11 trutherism is a topic I'm completely comfortable making a blanket statement on -- any position short of "9/11 wast not an inside job, and neither Israel, nor "the Jews" were involved," is completely unacceptable. And I have absolutely zero interest in engaging with people who feel differently about this.

And that's already more time than this nonsense deserves. Any other posts I make on this thread I'll keep to the topic of the 2020 candidates.

 Two questions:

(1) Who are you quoting in the second quote of your post?

(2) Do you have a problem with people who say that the Saudi Arabian government was involved in 9/11?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-offers-911-families-new-detail-about-investigation-of-suspected-saudi-accomplices/2019/09/12/0d6afc06-d0b5-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html

https://nypost.com/2019/09/07/robert-mueller-helped-saudi-arabia-cover-up-its-role-in-9-11-attacks-suit/

paulsurovell said:

paulsurovell said:

PVW said:

RealityForAll said:

PVW said:

nan said:

I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11. NEVER!!!!! However, even if I did,

 When you have to follow up "I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" with "even if I did", you have a problem.

 Right.  

Alternatives:

1.  If nan does not respond then she is a racist.

2.  If nan states  that she "DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" then she is a racist.

Do you see a problem with your analysis?

The "even if I did" here suggests that there is some scenario where it is acceptable to suggest that "the Jews were behind 9/11."

There is not.

There is no combination of words that can follow the "even if I did" that ends well.

I generally argue in favor of more nuance, but 9/11 trutherism is a topic I'm completely comfortable making a blanket statement on -- any position short of "9/11 wast not an inside job, and neither Israel, nor "the Jews" were involved," is completely unacceptable. And I have absolutely zero interest in engaging with people who feel differently about this.

And that's already more time than this nonsense deserves. Any other posts I make on this thread I'll keep to the topic of the 2020 candidates.

 Two questions:

(1) Who are you quoting in the second quote of your post?

(2) Do you have a problem with people who say that the Saudi Arabian government was involved in 9/11?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-offers-911-families-new-detail-about-investigation-of-suspected-saudi-accomplices/2019/09/12/0d6afc06-d0b5-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html

https://nypost.com/2019/09/07/robert-mueller-helped-saudi-arabia-cover-up-its-role-in-9-11-attacks-suit/

 Never a straight answer.  You could just say it Paul.  You could just say that you don't believe that Israel was behind 9/11.  But you can't because deep in your antisemitic heart you believe its the truth.

Your mock outrage is pathetic.

Klinker said:

Smedley said:

I will say for someone “sick of the same old blather”, you are one of the more repetitive posters. If I had to drink every time I’ve read “great uncle grabby”, I’d be under the table by now. (Also “Bernie the millionaire”).

 I never say "Bernie the millionaire"  That is Sbenois.  

I think, if you ask yourself whether any regular on this thread would reasonably make that mistake, and then take a moment to consider what Smedley really meant, you’ll see a comment that simply said you were “one of” the more repetitive posters and parenthetically followed it with an example of another one.

Morganna said:

 No, please don't. We need a variety of voices. Its easy to step on each other's fingers, (trying to be clever here, fingers instead of toes, a keyboard reference.)

We just need another active political thread to bounce into when we get stuck in an argument that's going nowhere. Then its easy to bounce back in when everyone has had a time out.

Lots going on for an alternative thread.  Kavanaugh could turn out to be a few days worth of headlines. I know you are not a fan of Klobuchar, but she was pretty good during the hearings and she has pounced on the new accusation.

 You are a wonderful person.

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

PVW said:

nan said:

I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11. NEVER!!!!! However, even if I did,

 When you have to follow up "I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" with "even if I did", you have a problem.

 No she doesn't. You are manufacturing an issue out of nothing. Why?

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

 "Some Bernie fans" allow you to post your daily installment of Bernie hate.

Corruption in Tulsi's campaign?

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/09/why-we-sent-a-reporter-to-the-washington-woods-to-find-tulsi-gabbards-consultant/

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

 "Some Bernie fans" allow you to post your daily installment of Bernie hate.

 Just reporting what you could read if you bothered to read the links.

 (T)he WFP is the closest thing there is to a political party that believes in my vision of democratic socialism. The WFP shares my view of a society and an economy that works for everyone, not just the wealthy and well-connected.”

-Bernie Sanders 11/4/16

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

 "Some Bernie fans" allow you to post your daily installment of Bernie hate.

 Just reporting what you could read if you bothered to read the links.

 But why should anyone be interested in "some Bernie fans"?

sbenois said:

Corruption in Tulsi's campaign?

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/09/why-we-sent-a-reporter-to-the-washington-woods-to-find-tulsi-gabbards-consultant/

Not according to the link you posted.

Klinker said:

Klinker said:

paulsurovell said:

paulsurovell said:

PVW said:

RealityForAll said:

PVW said:

nan said:

I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11. NEVER!!!!! However, even if I did,

 When you have to follow up "I DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" with "even if I did", you have a problem.

 Right.  

Alternatives:

1.  If nan does not respond then she is a racist.

2.  If nan states  that she "DID NOT suggest the Jews were behind 9/11" then she is a racist.

Do you see a problem with your analysis?

The "even if I did" here suggests that there is some scenario where it is acceptable to suggest that "the Jews were behind 9/11."

There is not.

There is no combination of words that can follow the "even if I did" that ends well.

I generally argue in favor of more nuance, but 9/11 trutherism is a topic I'm completely comfortable making a blanket statement on -- any position short of "9/11 wast not an inside job, and neither Israel, nor "the Jews" were involved," is completely unacceptable. And I have absolutely zero interest in engaging with people who feel differently about this.

And that's already more time than this nonsense deserves. Any other posts I make on this thread I'll keep to the topic of the 2020 candidates.

 Two questions:

(1) Who are you quoting in the second quote of your post?

(2) Do you have a problem with people who say that the Saudi Arabian government was involved in 9/11?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-offers-911-families-new-detail-about-investigation-of-suspected-saudi-accomplices/2019/09/12/0d6afc06-d0b5-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html

https://nypost.com/2019/09/07/robert-mueller-helped-saudi-arabia-cover-up-its-role-in-9-11-attacks-suit/

 Never a straight answer.  You could just say it Paul.  You could just say that you don't believe that Israel was behind 9/11.  But you can't because deep in your antisemitic heart you believe its the truth.

Your mock outrage is pathetic.

I'm having trouble finding where I was asked if Israel was behind 9/11, so I'm not sure where you get your "Never a straight answer" thing.

But since you asked, I've seen no evidence that suggests that Israel was behind 9/11.

On the other hand, I think the 9/11 victims lawsuit contains evidence that strongly suggests that Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11.

I've posted references to the lawsuit and asked PVW about it, but he/she has avoided them.  So I'll ask you:

What is your opinion of the 9/11 victims' lawsuit against Saudi Arabia, and the DOJ withholding documents about the FBI investigation of Saudi Arabia? And we can discuss Robert Mueller's odious role later.

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-offers-911-families-new-detail-about-investigation-of-suspected-saudi-accomplices/2019/09/12/0d6afc06-d0b5-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html

https://nypost.com/2019/09/07/robert-mueller-helped-saudi-arabia-cover-up-its-role-in-9-11-attacks-suit/

Waiting for a straight answer.

paulsurovell said:

 But why should anyone be interested in "some Bernie fans"?

 Fine, then don't read (or for that matter, comment about) what's at the link.

nohero said:

 Fine, then don't read (or for that matter, comment about) what's at the link.

There's lots of disgruntlement among Sanders supporters for sure as a reply. Lots of anger and accusations that the WFP has sold out to corporate interests. A few people who are threatening to stop donations and quit the mailing list.

Glenn Greenwald writes an excellent comment on Tulsi's condemnation of Trump for saying his response to the drone attacks will depend on what Saudi Arabia says:

paulsurovell said:

 There. You made a post without using the word "Jews".  Congratulations.

 You didn't.

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

Just here to watch Marxists eat each other, carry on. pic.twitter.com/FwZ8JpDbcb

— Mattison (@EMBinWDC) September 16, 2019

Oh you’re tough! Used a naughty word! Did your master Assad/Putin write that? https://t.co/8GsBTxqWQn

— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) 

SIOUX CITY -- Hawaii congresswoman and Democratic presidential contender Tulsi Gabbard took a swipe at the Democratic National Committee Sunday morning at a town hall event at Morningside College.

Gabbard, one of the lower-polling Democrats vying for the nomination, did not make the cut for the third Democratic debate Thursday. She said Iowa primary voters are more important in selecting a nominee than DNC officials.

"The DNC doesn't get to choose, they're not the gatekeepers even though they think they are," Gabbard said.

"Not being on the stage means we all have to work a heck of a lot harder."

Moreover, Gabbard said the nationally televised debates, apart from whatever publicity candidates get by taking part, don't give candidates much chance to articulate their policy positions.

"The 30- to 60-second answers don't provide the kind of opportunity that we have here today to really get into these issues," Gabbard said. "So, debate or no debate, we are focused on continuing to reach directly to voters."

Roughly 30 people turned out to hear Gabbard's pitch and ask questions.


https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/tulsi-gabbard-in-sioux-city-campaign-supporters-have-to-work/article_3aa0733c-c176-595c-b885-84abc378f108.html

Tulsi the 1%er might want to look in the mirror to see where the problem is.   Stop blaming the DNC Tulsi.  Stop telling your campaign workers that they need to work harder.   

Face facts: you are an awful candidate.  30 people!

sbenois said:

Oh you’re tough! Used a naughty word! Did your master Assad/Putin write that? https://t.co/8GsBTxqWQn

— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) 

I think Tulsi's going for the Beto Pottymouth Bounce 

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

 "Some Bernie fans" allow you to post your daily installment of Bernie hate.

 Just reporting what you could read if you bothered to read the links.

 But why should anyone be interested in "some Bernie fans"?

"Why should anyone be interested in 'some Bernie fans'?" you ask?  Well, Paul, for one.

Michael Tracey posted a typical insult due to the endorsement, and Paul responded with, "Nobody wants their stupid ole endorsement, anyhow", or words to that effect.

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/1173666626203541504?s=20

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

The Working Families Party endorses Senator Warren for President.

https://workingfamilies.org/

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480?s=20

At the second link, you can see that some Bernie fans are not taking it well, and using the Twitter to vent about it.

 "Some Bernie fans" allow you to post your daily installment of Bernie hate.

 Just reporting what you could read if you bothered to read the links.

 But why should anyone be interested in "some Bernie fans"?

"Why should anyone be interested in 'some Bernie fans'?" you ask?  Well, Paul, for one.

Michael Tracey posted a typical insult due to the endorsement, and Paul responded with, "Nobody wants their stupid ole endorsement, anyhow", or words to that effect.

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/1173666626203541504?s=20

 nohero is making this a bigger deal than it is because he's looking to dump on Bernie and especially Bernie supporters anyway he can. (Also, he seems to stalk Paul on twitter.) The Sanders supporters have a right to be annoyed with this endorsement because it is politically motivated, rather than mission oriented.    That said, I don't think anyone is hugely surprised since they have done some weird endorsements in the recent past, such as endorsing Joe Crowley over AOC.  This is typical of many organizations that start out on the left and end up in the center. 

The big problem in New York is that Cumo favors Biden and he is letting a bill to extend Democratic registration sit on his desk.  This was a big problem in 2016, when young people wanted to vote for Bernie and found out that to do that, they needed to have been registered something like six months or more before. Because of that, there is a bill to extend registration to much closer to voting as it is in most states.  But, not doing that favors long-term Dems who are more likely to favor Biden.   So, the rigging of the 2020 election is already in place with a nice act of Democratic votor suppression. 

Headline: Liz Clobbers Bernie or, if we go full Batman: "pow wow ciao"

Dear fellow affluent shitlib centrists with subscriptions to the NY Times,

Please join me in voting for Liz.   Working class folks support her and if this pisses off Bernie Bots, all the better.

Liz Warren 2020.   She's got my vote.  

sbenois said:

Oh you’re tough! Used a naughty word! Did your master Assad/Putin write that? https://t.co/8GsBTxqWQn

— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) 

 @sbenois protecting Trump again. He wants him to bomb Iran.

sbenois said:

Headline: Liz Clobbers Bernie or, if we go full Batman: "pow wow ciao"

Dear fellow affluent shitlib centrists with subscriptions to the NY Times,

Please join me in voting for Liz.   Working class folks support her and if this pisses off Bernie Bots, all the better.

Liz Warren 2020.   She's got my vote.  

 Long-term, Sbenois reading Bernie twitter will be a good thing.   Hard to see that now.

It seems strange that the WFP would deliver an endorsement with over four months remaining before Iowa. But maybe their announcement at this stage of the game gives them some notoriety? 

Headline: Liz Clobbers Bernie or, if we go full Batman: "pow wow ciao"

Dear fellow affluent shitlib centrists with subscriptions to the NY Times,

Please join me in voting for Liz.   Working class folks support her and if this pisses off Bernie Bots, all the better.

Liz Warren 2020.   She's got my vote.  

paulsurovell said:

sbenois said:

Oh you’re tough! Used a naughty word! Did your master Assad/Putin write that? https://t.co/8GsBTxqWQn

— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) 

 @sbenois protecting Trump again. He wants him to bomb Iran.

Obviously.

sbenois said:

Headline: Liz Clobbers Bernie or, if we go full Batman: "pow wow ciao"

Dear fellow affluent shitlib centrists with subscriptions to the NY Times,

Please join me in voting for Liz.   Working class folks support her and if this pisses off Bernie Bots, all the better.

Liz Warren 2020.   She's got my vote.  

 Warren is my third choice and if she wins I'll be happy to support her and so will Bernie and Tulsi. 

I especially like her appointment of Max Berger to her team.

https://www.jta.org/2019/07/29/united-states/meet-max-berger-the-jewish-anti-occupation-activist-on-elizabeth-warrens-campaign

https://www.jns.org/opinion/zoa-urges-warren-to-fire-hamas-loving-israel-hating-ifnotnow-co-founder-max-berger/

nan said:

sbenois said:

Headline: Liz Clobbers Bernie or, if we go full Batman: "pow wow ciao"

Dear fellow affluent shitlib centrists with subscriptions to the NY Times,

Please join me in voting for Liz.   Working class folks support her and if this pisses off Bernie Bots, all the better.

Liz Warren 2020.   She's got my vote.  

 Long-term, Sbenois reading Bernie twitter will be a good thing.   Hard to see that now.

I can promise you that the next time I glance at it will be on the excellent day when he announces that he is ending his campaign.  I want to read all of the whining.

Hopefully soon.