Who is the Village Keepers Inc.?
I'm on the fence about the PO, but I definitely dislike lawn signs ... and now we have even more.
deborahg said:
@dave I think calling someone a moron might be over the line....
It's definitely against the rules.
So has anyone been banned yet (re above posts about name calling) or are the moderators too busy with the upgrade?
sac said:
So has anyone been banned yet (re above posts about name calling) or are the moderators too busy with the upgrade?
I don't think so. A certain person was banned for the above name calling. He'll be back, though.
As many of you know I tend to react negatively to just about everything that Vic and Jerry come up with because I think their decisions are either political or often end badly. However, in this case it doesn't look like either the Village Keepers or Oh No have made a good case that any of their ideals are economically viable or for that matter that the current structure can be re-skinned and an additional floor added.
Interesting. If you click on a username, ordinarily it goes to the list of that person's discussions.
But if said person is in a stated bannitude, clicking their username returns you to the main Forum page.
bobk said:
As many of you know I tend to react negatively to just about everything that Vic and Jerry come up with because I think their decisions are either political or often end badly.
Sorry to ask, but - example? As in, the decision was political, not that the decision didn't turn out as intended.
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago. I think they should be given more of chance to voice their opinions in this matter. Remember.............like Baseball there is no clock in this game. And unlke kid's games there are no do overs . The stakes are just too high for another cost over run plagued project or smashing a square peg into a round hole to make it fit.
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago.
It's just a new name on the same group of people. I don't think that's arguable.
nohero said:
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago.
It's just a new name on the same group of people. I don't think that's arguable.
nohero said:
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago.
It's just a new name on the same group of people. I don't think that's arguable.
Cj
author said:
nohero said:
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago.
It's just a new name on the same group of people. I don't think that's arguable.
nohero said:
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago.
It's just a new name on the same group of people. I don't think that's arguable.
The village Keepers are their own organization with leadership and goals that again are theirs only.
You may see some over lap in people passing out literature etc but I believe Mr. Profetta named their at least nominal chairman and they are their own voice ..............they can be contacted separately and will respond with their own opinions.
Engage more or less morphed into Oh No but has no official ties ties to Village Keepers........
Separate organizations with common goals.
author said:
The Village Keepers became a player in the game barely two weeks ago. I think they should be given more of chance to voice their opinions in this matter. Remember.............like Baseball there is no clock in this game.
They have been "players" in this game from day one, as Oh No and Engage. They do NOT deserve any more time to continue to distract with empty balloons and falsified charges. They've had their chance and have failed miserably.
Do you put limits on Democracy and the Right of Free Speech. They do not deserve? Wow.........that is almost scary.
Oh please..."they" have had more than sufficient time and opportunity to make their misguided points. It is no denial of anyone's rights to say "enough" and get on with business.
As for democracy (please don't capitalize it), we don't live in one, nor have we ever. We have representative democracy where we elect people to make these decisions. Our elected representatives have spent the past many months being as open and accommodating as possible. Anyone with a point of view has been allowed to speak, ad nauseum. It's time to stop the nonsense and get on with the business of our community.
No...........not an inch on this one. "More than sufficient time".?.........since the people of Maplewood Township are very much interested in what these groups have to say you could not be more inaccurate in your statement.
As I replied to David Frazier before the upgrade on MOL.........a casual walk of about two hours time up and down the Village and conversation with fellow residents yielded only three sour faces............you make four and a large , large number of people in agreement that more time should be spent on this matter. This was conversation only, no literature , no balloons and no lawn signs. I know a referendum on the matter will not be allowed but I am sure it will yield some very interesting results.
Capitalizing Democracy? I capitalize any word in the English Language which has great meaning to me.
Merriam Webster not with standing.
author said:
Do you put limits on Democracy and the Right of Free Speech. They do not deserve? Wow.........that is almost scary.
A lot of us sympathized with you for a while, but you've thrown so much s**t around that you lost us. The lowlight was probably when you tried to capitalize on the fire in Edgewater. That was truly ugly.
author said:
The village Keepers are their own organization with leadership and goals that again are theirs only.
Separate organizations with common goals.
I'm skeptical that there is no overlap whatsoever among the Village Keepers and the two other organizations, but maybe you are being honest this time.
Well, they're better organized and set up to receive funds now, so that's one difference. And they'll presumably centralize dissemination of PR/information to ensure the disingenuous BS of the previous two groups (and their ever-evolving free-form membership) doesn't cast them in a negative light and tarnish the message. And have plopped in someone hitherto somewhat publicly quiet as a chair to lend the air of independence, so there's also that.
But, if it walks and quacks, it probably still is, differerence in approach notwithstanding. The chair's comments surely aren't anything new by any stretch, that's for sure.
Speaking of which...has Meier's email ever materialized for public view? Presumably it has, so given the hullabaloo about it and the continued reference to it... can someone post?
ctrzaska said:
Speaking of which...has Meier's email ever materialized for public view? Presumably it has, so given the hullabaloo about it and the continued reference to it... can someone post?
Not to mention the here-to-fore unknown benefactor who has supposedly offered to buy the site for $1.8 million
nohero said:
bobk said:
As many of you know I tend to react negatively to just about everything that Vic and Jerry come up with because I think their decisions are either political or often end badly.
Sorry to ask, but - example? As in, the decision was political, not that the decision didn't turn out as intended.
1. A bond ordinance for at least $10 million was passed to revitalize Springfield Avenue to bring in more non-residential rateables. Pretty much the only non-residential rateable is Walgreens. The rest are essentially apartment houses.
2. The TC went through with a very controversial and flawed revaluation in 2000 with the promise that there was software included that would allow changes if warranted. No changes were made until ten years later when the Tax Board ordered another revaluation that pretty much overturned the first revaluation.
3. When the TC didn't like the results they redid the assessments when there base began to complain at least twice.
4. While mostly during his time off the Board Deluca and his Springfield Avenue Association through wrench after wrench in the police station process, including using an elderly business owner a a sympathetic foil. She retired a couple of years later.
Oh, and in case you didn't notice my post was in support of Deluca and Ryan.
#2. That was 15 years ago
#4. DeLuca helped organize the Hilton Neighborhood Assn. I don't know if there is a Springfield Avenue Association and I do not remember either "throwing wrench after wrench". I remember a dispute between TC Members Profeta and Huemer over where to locate the Station. They are now allies. I seem to remember TC Member Pettis having a different view, and I remember the Bette White Controversy but I am not sure Vic had much to do with that.
David Huemer was the only vote against Bette White. Profeta, Grodman, Leventhal, and Pettis were for it. Vic spoke against taking that site as a non-TC member, and to my recollection was in favor of taking the Verizon Building which now has other stuff in it.
I am troubled with the incessant complaining about the post office as well. From what I've gathered, much of the original objections (nearly or over 2 years ago) had to do with the fact that the Station House is not the most attractive building (sure, its not great, but is it honestly the ugliest thing you've ever seen? Some of you maybe have never been to Queens), and many people felt there should have been more public input into the design of the Post Office, that the process should be run better and more openly. Those objections were heard by the TC and so the TC, the Planning Board, the MVA have indeed consulted with more and more local professionals to help with this process.
Local professionals (private citizens with backgrounds in architecture, development, design, business owners) have been consulted and involved in this new process from the drafting of the Redevelopment Plan to design review and recommendations. That is a significant and important advancement in the process from what occurred on the Station House.
Yet these groups are still unsatisfied and are unwilling to allow the process (that they pushed and fought so hard for) to play out.
It honestly feels like they just have a bone to pick with the TC and will object to anything that is done on the site, no matter what it is.
Let. It. Go.
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