The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
ridski said:
Here's what mtierney had to say about the withdrawal from Syria in 2018.
"Seems to me, that Washington had best pay attention to what is happening under their noses. Let’s work on immigration, health care, infrastructure, etc. Every attempt at fixing Syria while the Syrian President systematically destroys the country is a waste of America’s military strength. Let the Middle East decide what sort of peace they want. How will all the devastation to these counties be fixed? Who will pick up the tab? Who is left to rebuild this wasteland of war?
Did I say we have to clean our own house first?"
So it should come as no surprise that she doesn't actually care about what happened in Afghanistan, it's just opportunistic Democratic President bashing for her (was going to single out Biden, but she honestly doesn't care who it is, if the President isn't Republican everything they do is bad).
Also, yes, you're correct. The Russians walked right into our airbases in Syria and put their flags there in 2019.
mtierney bashing is the MOL default setting for all topics under discussion — proving once again the paucity of true response to defend the actions of our now sitting president. As Biden was rushing to claim the title of FDR, II, he lost sight of the real world around him. The committee pulling his strings miscalculated big time.
To bad no one in DC asked me when the socialism dream turned into a nightmare, but I will share it here:
When Pelosi piggy-backed the bipartisan supported infrastructure bill onto the $3.5T goody bag to force both to be passed, or neither, we all lost. Political cunning on that scale, I believe, got us where we are today — nowhere.
mtierney said:
mtierney bashing is the MOL default setting for all topics under discussion — proving once again the paucity of true response to defend the actions of our now sitting president.
It’s a thread that you created and curate. You control the setting. If you crave better discussions, discuss better.
mtierney said:
The committee pulling his strings miscalculated big time.
Oh man, I'm getting all confused about this Biden guy. Is he a puppet or is he the puppet master as you posted in this cartoon from earlier this month?
ridski said:
Here's what mtierney had to say about the withdrawal from Syria in 2018.
"Seems to me, that Washington had best pay attention to what is happening under their noses. Let’s work on immigration, health care, infrastructure, etc. Every attempt at fixing Syria while the Syrian President systematically destroys the country is a waste of America’s military strength. Let the Middle East decide what sort of peace they want. How will all the devastation to these counties be fixed? Who will pick up the tab? Who is left to rebuild this wasteland of war?
Did I say we have to clean our own house first?"
So it should come as no surprise that she doesn't actually care about what happened in Afghanistan, it's just opportunistic Democratic President bashing for her (was going to single out Biden, but she honestly doesn't care who it is, if the President isn't Republican everything they do is bad).
Also, yes, you're correct. The Russians walked right into our airbases in Syria and put their flags there in 2019.
All I see is from her is repetition of unfiltered right wing talking points. When Trump ran out on our Syrian allies it was excusable, as we see above. The new talking point is Biden's having us leave Afghanistan is traitorous, defeatist, cowardly, etc.
The inconsistency of Maga base may not just be all hypocrisy. We have to remember their lack of critical thinking skills cause them to be incapable of seeing right wing inconsistencies and bs and to be easily duped. In other words, they're often too stupid to know better.
Ironic considering Biden's leaving Afghanistan is the fulfillment of Pompeo's Taliban deal done at Trump's behest.
mtierney said:
mtierney bashing is the MOL default setting for all topics under discussion
You support attacks on American democracy and are transparently dishonest in your claims to care about any topic you raise. How, exactly, do you expect this to play out?
mtierney said:
mtierney bashing is the MOL default setting for all topics under discussion — proving once again the paucity of true response to defend the actions of our now sitting president. As Biden was rushing to claim the title of FDR, II, he lost sight of the real world around him. The committee pulling his strings miscalculated big time.
To bad no one in DC asked me when the socialism dream turned into a nightmare, but I will share it here:
When Pelosi piggy-backed the bipartisan supported infrastructure bill onto the $3.5T goody bag to force both to be passed, or neither, we all lost. Political cunning on that scale, I believe, got us where we are today — nowhere.
I mean, how are we supposed to engage with this? It literally doesn't matter what Biden does or doesn't do -- you'll attack him for it. He could do the exact same thing Trump did, things you praised Trump for, and you would attack Biden for doing that. In fact, the Afghanistan exit you chose to raise is an example of this.
So how exactly do you want people to respond to you? You have no point of view. No principles. No belief. Just a partisan identity. What is there to engage with there? What discussion is even possible?
ridski said:
Oh man, I'm getting all confused about this Biden guy. Is he a puppet or is he the puppet master as you posted in this cartoon from earlier this month?
probably a failed puppet master taken over by progressives and the squad, thereby dropping to puppet class.
You know I try mighty hard to open up the conversations, am usually criticized for changing the subject. I suspect there is misogyny at play, as well (who is “she”? The cat’s mother!) How many posters on this thread are distaff taxpayers?
RTrent said:
All I see is from her is repetition of unfiltered right wing talking points. When Trump ran out on our Syrian allies it was excusable, as we see above. The new talking point is Biden's having us leave Afghanistan is traitorous, defeatist, cowardly,
Ironic considering Biden's leaving Afghanistan is the fulfillment of Pompeo's Taliban deal done at Trump's behest.
There had never been a plan to turn victory into defeat. Never to abandon our allies; never to leave military property behind; never to leave in 11 days after giving 20 years to the effort to bring the country into some kind of civilized existence. That was all Biden’s doing.
mtierney said:
probably a failed puppet master taken over by progressives and the squad, thereby dropping to puppet class.
You know I try mighty hard to open up the conversations, am usually criticized for changing the subject. I suspect there is misogyny at play, as well (who is “she”? The cat’s mother!) How many posters on this thread are distaff taxpayers?
Well, typically you post a link to an article with a strange unrelated comment and/or a cartoon and/or a tortured-looking cat photo, sit back and wait for someone to react to it, then post a different link to a different article with an unrelated comment and/or cartoon and/or tortured cat photo. Then when we remind you that you do this all the time, you say we're either misogynists or ageist and/or ageist misogynists.
I mean you can call that trying "mighty hard to open up the conversations" if you want, but it's just trolling. Fortunately for you, you are the last cultist on the board so you will continue to get the attention you desire.
mtierney said:
There had never been a plan
That's the truth right there.
If Biden had followed Trump’s timetable, forces would have been out quicker and sooner than all the Trump fans are complaining about now
mtierney said:
There had never been a plan to turn victory into defeat. Never to abandon our allies; never to leave military property behind; never to leave in 11 days after giving 20 years to the effort to bring the country into some kind of civilized existence. That was all Biden’s doing.
ridski said:
Well, typically you post a link to an article with a strange unrelated comment and/or a cartoon and/or a tortured-looking cat photo, sit back and wait for someone to react to it, then post a different link to a different article with an unrelated comment and/or cartoon and/or tortured cat photo. Then when we remind you that you do this all the time, you say we're either misogynists or ageist and/or ageist misogynists.
I mean you can call that trying "mighty hard to open up the conversations" if you want, but it's just trolling. Fortunately for you, you are the last cultist on the board so you will continue to get the attention you desire.
as I've written many times before, I come here to read mtierney's comments because it's a quicker and less painful method for keeping up on the wing nut talking points than watching Fox News, or heaven forbid, OANN.
mtierney said:
jamieI can't read the WSJ article - have another source? I'm happy to hear you're concerned about Afghanistan now - where was your concern the past 20 years? You hardly mentioned it during the T**** years.
jamie, sorry, I cannot find another source. The article should be required reading.
Another excerpt..
“If Not Me, Then Who?
Did our service matter?
The question gnawed at Lt. Gen. Lawrence Nicholson as he drafted a letter in August to the men and women with the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade who fought alongside him in Afghanistan. “Nothing,” he wrote, “can diminish your selfless service to our nation.”
Nothing — not the Taliban’s sweeping takeover after two decades of war, not the desperate Afghans falling from planes, not disbelief that Afghanistan had fallen overnight to the same enemy that the Americans had vanquished 20 years ago.
“I felt I had to say to the guys, ‘Hey, get your heads up,’” said General Nicholson, who retired as a three-star in 2018. Recalling the 92 Marines who died under his command in Helmand Province, the 2,461 American service members overall who died in Afghanistan and the untold treasure lost, he wrote to his fellow Marines:
“You raised your hand and said, ‘IF NOT ME, THEN WHO?’”
conservatives pretend to care about civilians in Afghanistan now that they can use them as a reason to beat up on Biden. But it ignores the fact that if the war was killing about 2,000 civilians a year since 2017.
From 2017 through 2019, with the war in a long stalemate, the U.S. relaxed its rules
of engagementfor airstrikes. As a consequence, civilian casualties due to airstrikes increased
from 2017 through 2019. In 2019, more Afghan civilians were killed in airstrikes than at any
time since early 2002.
the people who say the U.S. should have remained in Afghanistan aren't admitting that it would essentially be a death sentence for thousands of innocent people.
Afghanistan is not and never was and never will be important to our national security.
ml1’s says…
“the people who say the U.S. should have remained in Afghanistan aren't admitting that it would essentially be a death sentence for thousands of innocent people.”
Just how many thousands of innocent people have died since August 30, and will continue to die of starvation, or be murdered by their countrymen, or will be slain for cooperating with the allies? How many Afghan women have lost the dream of an education and career and are now chattels of their fathers or brothers? To be bartered, as the toddler was in the WSJ story, into a life of servitude, or married off to the highest bidder?
Ridski says,,
“Well, typically you post a link to an article with a strange unrelated comment and/or a cartoon and/or a tortured-looking cat photo, sit back and wait for someone to react to it, then post a different link to a different article with an unrelated comment and/or cartoon and/or tortured cat photo. Then when we remind you that you do this all the time, you say we're either misogynists or ageist and/or ageist misogynists.”
I did not use the ageist card, but you did. Hmmm, interesting.
mtierney said:
ml1’s says…
“the people who say the U.S. should have remained in Afghanistan aren't admitting that it would essentially be a death sentence for thousands of innocent people.”
Just how many thousands of innocent people have died since August 30, and will continue to die of starvation, or be murdered by their countrymen, or will be slain for cooperating with the allies? How many Afghan women have lost the dream of an education and career and are now chattels of their fathers or brothers? To be bartered, as the toddler was in the WSJ story, into a life of servitude, or married off to the highest bidder?
but the U.S. won't be directly responsible for killing them now that we've left. Are we supposed to stay there and kill thousands of people in the vain hope that we can prevent others from killing thousands of people?
mtierney said:
Ridski says,,
“Well, typically you post a link to an article with a strange unrelated comment and/or a cartoon and/or a tortured-looking cat photo, sit back and wait for someone to react to it, then post a different link to a different article with an unrelated comment and/or cartoon and/or tortured cat photo. Then when we remind you that you do this all the time, you say we're either misogynists or ageist and/or ageist misogynists.”
I did not use the ageist card, but you did. Hmmm, interesting.
No, he didn’t. He referenced *YOUR* use of it.
All. The. Time.
But…. This has been happening in Syria since that exit, and there’s been barely a peep -here or elsewhere. Turkey keeps encroaching, because they don’t like the Kurds coming in as refugees; various factions in the militias pick on the Kurds and rural folk because, well because they can; their hospitals and their medical supplies are almost non-existent, and various aid packages don’t arrive yet globally there’s a massive shrug and yawns.
It’s no better in the ‘friendly’ areas in Iraq, which are basically clumps of rubble where subsistence rations feel like a feast.
So why no complaints, or chest-beating, or advocating for these communities ‘left behind’?
mtierney said:
ml1’s says…
“the people who say the U.S. should have remained in Afghanistan aren't admitting that it would essentially be a death sentence for thousands of innocent people.”
Just how many thousands of innocent people have died since August 30, and will continue to die of starvation, or be murdered by their countrymen, or will be slain for cooperating with the allies? How many Afghan women have lost the dream of an education and career and are now chattels of their fathers or brothers? To be bartered, as the toddler was in the WSJ story, into a life of servitude, or married off to the highest bidder?
mtierney said:
Ridski says,,
“Well, typically you post a link to an article with a strange unrelated comment and/or a cartoon and/or a tortured-looking cat photo, sit back and wait for someone to react to it, then post a different link to a different article with an unrelated comment and/or cartoon and/or tortured cat photo. Then when we remind you that you do this all the time, you say we're either misogynists or ageist and/or ageist misogynists.”
I did not use the ageist card, but you did. Hmmm, interesting.
Is this your idea of working hard to open up the conversation -- saying things, then claiming you never said them?
PVW said
Is this your idea of working hard to open up the conversation -- saying things, then claiming you never said them?
Obviously, I was referring to the present discussion, not a review over the past dozen years or so.But, I am sure you knew that.
Exhausting research!
joanne said:
“But…. This has been happening in Syria since that exit, and there’s been barely a peep -here or elsewhere. Turkey keeps encroaching, because they don’t like the Kurds coming in as refugees; various factions in the militias pick on the Kurds and rural folk because, well because they can; their hospitals and their medical supplies are almost non-existent, and various aid packages don’t arrive yet globally there’s a massive shrug and yawns.
It’s no better in the ‘friendly’ areas in Iraq, which are basically clumps of rubble where subsistence rations feel like a feast.
So why no complaints, or chest-beating, or advocating for these communities ‘left behind’? “
Following our defeat in Afghanistan, in a matter of days, and after 20 years of war, and suffering pandemic exhaustion, looming inflation, heavy taxation, the collapse of transportation of goods from around the world with containers and ships stranded off shore, etc etc, I fear America will be less a leader in righting the injustices world wide.
So, even while hundreds of thousands of migrants are risking, as well as loosing their lives, to come to this nation, Americans are fearful for this country’s future.
So, Joanne, you may not hear “chest beating” from Uncle Sam going forward. I believe this nation, after almost a century of intervention world-wide, needs a time-out. We need to heal ourselves. I believe this is necessary to survive, not selfish, nor a sign of “a massive shrug and yawns”.
mtierney said:
...So, Joanne, you may not hear “chest beating” from Uncle Sam going forward. I believe this nation, after almost a century of intervention world-wide, needs a time-out. We need to heal ourselves. I believe this is necessary to survive, not selfish, nor a sign of “a massive shrug and yawns”.
so, now you're for our Afghan withdrawal?
drummerboy said:
so, now you're for our Afghan withdrawal?
Didn't you read her post above? Whatever she said in the past it doesn't matter, even if it's the exact opposite of what she's saying now, because she's only talking about the present discussion. If what she said in the past contradicts what she's saying now, even if it's literally one post ago, put it out of your mind. Whatever she may have said in the past has no bearing on what she is saying now or what she might say in the future. This is what working hard to open up discussion means.
I think I’ve been misunderstood. I’m not advocating for the US to be the world’s policeman, or Guardian Angel. However, in recent years there have been two hasty withdrawals after very lengthy multi-decade ‘interventions’ that were meant to reduce worldwide terrorism and restore domestic democratic infrastructure as well as more stable modern civic society in these fractured countries. In both situations, the former president endorsed confusing agreements with former combatants and antagonised near-neighbours while not communicating well with long-term allied forces helping to wage those military actions.
The only withdrawal criticised is Afghanistan. The Syria withdrawal was defended, even though that was just as sloppy and was partially overturned in a really messy and confusing way. Syria is worse off now than before the ‘intervention’.
The stance is inconsistent, although the words appear consistent.
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mtierney said:
ml1’s says…
“the people who say the U.S. should have remained in Afghanistan aren't admitting that it would essentially be a death sentence for thousands of innocent people.”
Just how many thousands of innocent people have died since August 30, and will continue to die of starvation, or be murdered by their countrymen, or will be slain for cooperating with the allies? How many Afghan women have lost the dream of an education and career and are now chattels of their fathers or brothers? To be bartered, as the toddler was in the WSJ story, into a life of servitude, or married off to the highest bidder?
It isn't our problem to solve. We should go to war to defend our national security period. We have had too many wars for reasons of domestic politics and it is time to change this.
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Here's what mtierney had to say about the withdrawal from Syria in 2018.
"Seems to me, that Washington had best pay attention to what is happening under their noses. Let’s work on immigration, health care, infrastructure, etc. Every attempt at fixing Syria while the Syrian President systematically destroys the country is a waste of America’s military strength. Let the Middle East decide what sort of peace they want. How will all the devastation to these counties be fixed? Who will pick up the tab? Who is left to rebuild this wasteland of war?
Did I say we have to clean our own house first?"
So it should come as no surprise that she doesn't actually care about what happened in Afghanistan, it's just opportunistic Democratic President bashing for her (was going to single out Biden, but she honestly doesn't care who it is, if the President isn't Republican everything they do is bad).
Also, yes, you're correct. The Russians walked right into our airbases in Syria and put their flags there in 2019.