The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

drummerboy said:

AIDS and Haitians? What is this, 1985?

 No. Back in 1985 Republicans thought of themselves as defending democracy against authoritarianism.


T**** must have a subscription to Stereotype Weekly. 


Mtierney,

I realized that you are largely unencumbered by the thought process but I was wondering if you had any thoughts about the fact that the Taliban is now fighting ISIS.  Or haven't you found any cartoons to lay it out for you yet.


My comments listing a series of events within recent weeks, orchestrated  by Biden, were not intended to point out lies. I did not call them lies. You all did. 

These were failings…forgetfulness….confusion.  With a dash of hubris — Biden was anticipating being president was going to be easy! Biden will be 80 next month. Being POTUS is not the same as being a senator — the buck blame stops with him.

His socialist tax program, changing America, is meeting opposition— Biden appears to be surprised? Or confused?


and who's taxing the middle class exactly? Do you think incomes over 400k make you middle class?

If anyone's confused it's you.


drummerboy said:

and who's taxing the middle class exactly? Do you think incomes over 400k make you middle class?

If anyone's confused it's you.

 This is America. Everyone thinks they're middle class here.


I just don’t get the age thing - people are celebrating Dylan still writing and performing at 80…

Why isn’t anyone discussing the other revelations I’ve read in the past few days, of confirmation of TFG’s dementia, his commercial losses while President more recently, etc? 
I’m confused  cool cheese


joanne said:

I just don’t get the age thing - people are celebrating Dylan still writing and performing at 80…

Why isn’t anyone discussing the other revelations I’ve read in the past few days, of confirmation of TFG’s dementia, his commercial losses while President more recently, etc? 
I’m confused 
cool cheese

 what's this about dementia?


joanne said:

I just don’t get the age thing - people are celebrating Dylan still writing and performing at 80…

Why isn’t anyone discussing the other revelations I’ve read in the past few days, of confirmation of TFG’s dementia, his commercial losses while President more recently, etc? 
I’m confused 
cool cheese

 Bear with me, but who is TFG? Oh, about Dylan, writing and performing music, while a gift, is a lot easier than running a government and being a “world leader”.

Willie Nelson, Clint Eastwood, Pope Francis, Morgan Freeman, Anthony Fauci, Chuck Grassley,  and Dianne Feinstein, to name just a few 80++ still influencers and active. The Queen, for sure!


Sorry for delayed response. (Been in hospital since Sunday night, just been home a day and am still fuzzy brained)

Some YouTuber named Aivalis has a recent clip on a previously suppressed health report that has now emerged, I suspect due to the flurry of judicial matters or the tell-all books. I didn’t watch it all, so I’m not sure. 
ah! Here’s the link.



mtierney said:

Bear with me, but who is TFG?

The former guy. 


joanne said:

Sorry for delayed response. (Been in hospital since Sunday night, just been home a day and am still fuzzy brained)

Some YouTuber named Aivalis has a recent clip on a previously suppressed health report that has now emerged, I suspect due to the flurry of judicial matters or the tell-all books. I didn’t watch it all, so I’m not sure. 
ah! Here’s the link.

 not very convincing. 


Yeah, I finally tried watching. Sorry. (Hey, it kept showing up, plus the headlines about the hotel losses; thought they were related. I should leave my fuzzy thinking with the strong meds, eh? And just read and reflect cheesecheese


Much closer to home….

As a former PTA school president, and also a president of PTA Presidents Council, I cannot believe what I am reading and watching, as this homegrown crisis grows more serious by the day. There were times, and folks,  that generated  negative views of what was happening in our schools — that is normal. Perhaps, as parents became involved in actually teaching their kids, observing via Zoom, etc, during the pandemic, they realized some of their kids’ education was off-putting and going into areas best left to parents at home. Parents applaud teachers’s skills, but believe the kids should get the 3Rs, not remolding.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/beginning-democrats-biden-defeat-merrick-garland-critical-race-theory/


mtierney said:

Much closer to home….

As a former PTA school president, and also a president of PTA Presidents Council, I cannot believe what I am reading and watching, as this homegrown crisis grows more serious by the day. There were times, and folks,  that generated  negative views of what was happening in our schools — that is normal. Perhaps, as parents became involved in actually teaching their kids, observing via Zoom, etc, during the pandemic, they realized some of their kids’ education was off-putting and going into areas best left to parents at home. Parents applaud teachers’s skills, but believe the kids should get the 3Rs, not remolding.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/beginning-democrats-biden-defeat-merrick-garland-critical-race-theory/

 Well here's a question for you. Many Americans today, including you, support overthrowing elections if your preferred candidate loses -- by force, if necessary. Is this due to a failure in education? Historically, one of  the major justifications for public education was the need for an educated citizenry to support a democracy. Given the rejection of democracy by you and those who share your views, have we failed somewhere in our approach to education? Is there something we can do better, or is this asking too much of the educational system?


Dishonest GOP politicians and other conservatives are manufacturing a "crisis" with their claims about "critical race theory". This article is an example of that. 

mtierney said:

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/beginning-democrats-biden-defeat-merrick-garland-critical-race-theory/


mtierney said:

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/beginning-democrats-biden-defeat-merrick-garland-critical-race-theory/

The Washington Compost. President Ice Cream. Marxoid ideas.

Roger Kimball can’t be serious.

Anyway, these are the “parents who oppose critical race theory in public schools” whom Garland had in mind:

“While spirited debate about policy matters is protected under our Constitution, that protection does not extend to threats of violence or efforts to intimidate individuals based on their views.”

This is how Garland, as Kimball put it, “instructed the FBI to mobilize”:

“I am directing the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with each United States Attorney, to convene meetings with federal, state, local, tribal and territorial leaders in each federal judicial district within 30 days of the issuance of this memorandum. These meetings will facilitate the discussion of strategies for addressing threats against school administrators, board members, teachers and staff, and will open dedicated lines of communication for threat reporting, assessment and response.”


mtierney was untroubled by a violent mob calling for the execution of the Vice President and seeking to kidnap (or worse) our top elected officials. What grounds are there to think she would have any care for violent threats against teachers, administrators, and school board members?


90% of American kids go to public schools. 61% go to college. These are all supposed to be cesspools of liberal brainwashing.

Yet the left-right divide in this country is about 50/50.

It's almost like kids are human individuals capable of independent thought.


PVW said:

mtierney was untroubled by a violent mob calling for the execution of the Vice President and seeking to kidnap (or worse) our top elected officials. What grounds are there to think she would have any care for violent threats against teachers, administrators, and school board members?

 I believe I have offered many “grounds” to prove  my non-violent inclinations here. You prefer your version of the truth, however. It works for you.

Edited for:

@jamie: all isl well here — hope it lasts!


mtierney said:

 I believe I have offered many “grounds” to prove  my non-violent inclinations here. You prefer your version of the truth, however. It works for you.

Edited for:

@jamie: all isl well here — hope it lasts!

 Oh? Did I miss the post where the Jan. 6th assault, the continuing revelations of Trump's determination to overturn the election, and the continuing Republican assaults on our free and fair elections caused you to renounce your previous support for the violent anti-democratic movement that is the current GOP? If not, then it seems your "non-violent inclinations" are pretty shallowly held, subject to political convenience.


PVW said:

 If not, then it seems your "non-violent inclinations" are pretty shallowly held, subject to political convenience.

She’s right. Your truth works. 


mtierney said:

PVW said:

mtierney was untroubled by a violent mob calling for the execution of the Vice President and seeking to kidnap (or worse) our top elected officials. What grounds are there to think she would have any care for violent threats against teachers, administrators, and school board members?

 I believe I have offered many “grounds” to prove  my non-violent inclinations here. You prefer your version of the truth, however. It works for you.

Edited for:

@jamie: all isl well here — hope it lasts!

it doesn't prove your non-violent inclinations if you only denounce people at BLM demonstrations, but not the people responsible for the Jan. 6 insurrection.  It only proves that you're nakedly partisan.


I stand by my non-violent position — fully clothed, thankfully — of never supporting mob violence as a solution for any perceived wrong.

I am much more interested in how the 1/6 event planners  — widely pronounced — managed to get even near the Capitol, much less walking on to, climbing over, climbing walls, entering the building, rummaging through senate offices, etc, etc. 

Where were DC police, Capitol police, FBI, the National Guard, etc etc? Everyone had known about the plan who owned an iphone, was on social media, etc etc. But, these angry, disappointed mobs seemed to meet no resistance. Why? Who doesn’t know of, or failed to see, the disconnect that exists in America? Hoodlums become heroes and the protection of our government is non-existent. 

What if another attack by a foreign enemy this time is with a marching parade, instead of suicide planes?

All the empty allegations hurled at the messenger here really speak volumes for what passes for conversation and exchange of ideas on what’s happening in America — and in Maplewood.


so, for the BLM protests you blame the protesters, but for 1/6 you blame the police.

Your lack of self-awareness knows no bounds.


drummerboy said:

Your lack of self-awareness knows no bounds.

OK, I’m gratuitous.


drummerboy said:

so, for the BLM protests you blame the protesters, but for 1/6 you blame the police.

Your lack of self-awareness knows no bounds.

 Your reading comprehension is sorely wanting, DB. My last post clearly put forth my anathema re violence. I deplored the burning, destruction, looting and violence in our country — generated to express support for the BLM agenda — because it was criminal responses to national law and order issues.

Violence to promote more violence is stupid — and ultimately ineffective in multi-cultural America. Liberals might be awe-struck by watching this unfold from the safety of their recliners, but little gains become big losses in making progress in race relations.


mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

so, for the BLM protests you blame the protesters, but for 1/6 you blame the police.

Your lack of self-awareness knows no bounds.

 Your reading comprehension is sorely wanting, DB. My last post clearly put forth my anathema re violence. I deplored the burning, destruction, looting and violence in our country — generated to express support for the BLM agenda — because it was criminal responses to national law and order issues.

Violence to promote more violence is stupid — and ultimately ineffective in multi-cultural America. Liberals might be awe-struck by watching this unfold from the safety of their recliners, but little gains become big losses in making progress in race relations.

 you can't be serious. You still haven't condemned the 1/6 rioters.

My reading comprehension is clearly fine.


drummerboy said:

 you can't be serious. You still haven't condemned the 1/6 rioters.

My reading comprehension is clearly fine.

 The same reason trump won’t condemn the 1/6 rioters.


Where is my support of violence..


mtierney

Oct 10, 2021 at 12:10pm

“I stand by my non-violent position — fully clothed, thankfully — of never supporting mob violence as a solution for any perceived wrong.

“I am much more interested in how the 1/6 event planners — widely pronounced — managed to get even near the Capitol, much less walking on to, climbing over, climbing walls, entering the building, rummaging through senate offices, etc, etc.

“Where were DC police, Capitol police, FBI, the National Guard, etc etc? Everyone had known about the plan who owned an iphone, was on social media, etc etc. But, these angry, disappointed mobs seemed to meet no resistance. Why? Who doesn’t know of, or failed to see, the disconnect that exists in America? Hoodlums become heroes and the protection of our government is non-existent.”

In case there is some confusion for my identifying the 1/6 as “mobs”….


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