The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
A poster called Ambivalence on Fark.com summed up this entire debacle of a presidency perfectly for me. It succinctly states what I've been trying to say for a long time.
I don't think most Trump supporters wanted a grifter conman as president, but they'd projected everything they wanted to believe about him until the myth became more real than the man. They had convinced themselves that a man who's spent his entire life screwing over workers was somehow a champion of the working class. They'd convinced themselves that a serial adulterer who'd spent his entire life worshiping money, was a devout Christian. They'd convinced themselves that a man who surrounds himself with croneys and lackeys and considers nepotism a great thing, would clean up corruption in government.
They were fooled, but to be fair they wanted to be fooled. They wanted it so badly. And boy did they get it.
a post election survey reveals many of reasons white working class people voted for Trump. (And you know what, liberals saying mean things about them on message boards isn't one of the reasons.) It's mainly that they believe their country is being taken away from them. They believe the actions of immigrants and black people are causing their way of life to be taken away from them. Note that people who actually expressed economic hardship were more likely to support Clinton.
Identification With The Republican Party.
Identifying as Republican, not surprisingly, was strongly predictive of Trump support. White working-class voters who identified as Republican were 11 times more likely to support Trump than those who did not identify as Republican. No other demographic attribute was significant.
Fears About Cultural Displacement
White working-class voters who say they often feel like a stranger in their own land and who believe the U.S. needs protecting against foreign influence were 3.5 times more likely to favor Trump than those who did not share these concerns.
Support for deporting immigrants living in the country illegally.
White working-class voters who favored deporting immigrants living in the country illegally were 3.3 times more likely to express a preference for Trump than those who did not.
Economic fatalism.
White working-class voters who said that college education is a gamble were almost twice as likely to express a preference for Trump as those who said it was an important investment in the future.
Economic hardship.
Notably, while only marginally significant at conventional levels (P<0.1), being in fair or poor financial shape actually predicted support for Hillary Clinton among white working-class Americans, rather than support for Donald Trump. Those who reported being in fair or poor financial shape were 1.7 times more likely to support Clinton, compared to those who were in better financial shape.
Yes, that says it well.
ridski said:
A poster called Ambivalence on Fark.com summed up this entire debacle of a presidency perfectly for me. It succinctly states what I've been trying to say for a long time.
I don't think most Trump supporters wanted a grifter conman as president, but they'd projected everything they wanted to believe about him until the myth became more real than the man. They had convinced themselves that a man who's spent his entire life screwing over workers was somehow a champion of the working class. They'd convinced themselves that a serial adulterer who'd spent his entire life worshiping money, was a devout Christian. They'd convinced themselves that a man who surrounds himself with croneys and lackeys and considers nepotism a great thing, would clean up corruption in government.
They were fooled, but to be fair they wanted to be fooled. They wanted it so badly. And boy did they get it.
South_Mountaineer said:
Yes, that says it well.
ridski said:
A poster called Ambivalence on Fark.com summed up this entire debacle of a presidency perfectly for me. It succinctly states what I've been trying to say for a long time.
I don't think most Trump supporters wanted a grifter conman as president, but they'd projected everything they wanted to believe about him until the myth became more real than the man. They had convinced themselves that a man who's spent his entire life screwing over workers was somehow a champion of the working class. They'd convinced themselves that a serial adulterer who'd spent his entire life worshiping money, was a devout Christian. They'd convinced themselves that a man who surrounds himself with croneys and lackeys and considers nepotism a great thing, would clean up corruption in government.
They were fooled, but to be fair they wanted to be fooled. They wanted it so badly. And boy did they get it.
The sad thing is they are still fooled.
The rapturous welcome our devout Christian was recently given at Liberty University. His many supporters still rejoicing because he's draining the swamp. Middle American workers eagerly awaiting his promised job renaissance.
Lincoln said "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
It seems you can fool a lot of the people all the time.
No.
I have voted in every presidential election since JFK. The thought of not voting in 2016 was not a consideration.
I could not vote for HRC. No rehashing of her "platform" rang true....baggage clung to the Clintons..investigations pursued her entourage ...just today, Weiner has admitted to sending porn pictures to kids- the shared email guy who had access to the private server classified docs!
If Hillary had won just think of what would be going on in Washington right now!
I can point out to you on this thread the many reservations I had re Trump. Washington had become a cesspool of gossip and mistrust and business as usual -- I viewed DJT as a vote for change. I may still turn out to have made the right call.
Early days yet
you didn't vote for Clinton in part because of Anthony Weiner?
That's absurd.
mtierney said:
No.
I have voted in every presidential election since JFK. The thought of not voting in 2016 was not a consideration.
I could not vote for HRC. No rehashing of her "platform" rang true....baggage clung to the Clintons..investigations pursued her entourage ...just today, Weiner has admitted to sending porn pictures to kids- the shared email guy who had access to the private server classified docs!
If Hillary had won just think of what would be going on in Washington right now!
I can point out to you on this thread the many reservations I had re Trump. Washington had become a cesspool of gossip and mistrust and business as usual -- I viewed DJT as a vote for change. I may still turn out to have made the right call.
Early days yet
of course not -- he was just piled on top of the lack of trust for all things Clinton. A dirty joke, but wAy too close to the WH 
and yet, you voted for Trump. A man who among other things, claimed to have purposely walked through dressing rooms in order to see young women naked.
mtierney said:
of course not -- he was just piled on top of the lack of trust for all things Clinton. A dirty joke, but wAy too close to the WH
Imagine.
mtierney said:
If Hillary had won just think of what would be going on in Washington right now!
Benghazi!
South_Mountaineer said:
Imagine.
mtierney said:
If Hillary had won just think of what would be going on in Washington right now!
ml1 said:
and yet, you voted for Trump. A man who among other things, claimed to have purposely walked through dressing rooms in order to see young women naked.
mtierney said:
of course not -- he was just piled on top of the lack of trust for all things Clinton. A dirty joke, but wAy too close to the WH
And had multiple affairs, multiple wives and multiple children from multiple women. Sexually assaulted women, made fun of disabled people...
Good stuff. And aligns better with mtierney's values than Hillary.
dave23 said:
ml1 said:
and yet, you voted for Trump. A man who among other things, claimed to have purposely walked through dressing rooms in order to see young women naked.
mtierney said:
of course not -- he was just piled on top of the lack of trust for all things Clinton. A dirty joke, but wAy too close to the WH
And had multiple affairs, multiple wives and multiple children from multiple women. Sexually assaulted women, made fun of disabled people...
Good stuff. And aligns better with mtierney's values than Hillary.
Goes well with Trump Toast.
ridski, do you know if they sell that here??? We certainly need a local importer not related to Harvey Norman ('Hardly Normal') stores.
About presidential visits to the Vatican..
How can you be ok with a moral slimeball meeting with the Pope?
mtierney said:
About presidential visits to the Vatican..
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-...
gotcha - the link covers visits by presidents, starting with President Grant! 
you won't hear this anywhere else on MOL, so I must stand up to the plate:
the speech made by our President was strong, appealing to some 50+ leaders of Muslim countries, to join the fight against those who commit atrocities in the name of God. He painted a clear picture of the devastating future facing the Middle East of nothing is done. He wants The money fueling terrorism to stop, he says the Muslim leadership has to clearly speak out and condemn ISIS and others who claim to be Muslims.
The setting was mind blowing massive and elaborately decorated- what was really over the top to me was the serving of refreshments by numerous servers who brought the food to all the dignitaries after the speeches.
One image that is hard to forget from the welcoming last night was the sight of DJT dancing with a long line of Arabs holding ceremonial swords! He seemed to be having fun. Malania, always composed, was giggling while watching!
but didn't he completely fail by not using the words "radical islamic terrorism"?
mtierney said:
you won't hear this anywhere else on MOL, so I must stand up to the plate:
the speech made by our President was strong, appealing to some 50+ leaders of Muslim countries, to join the fight against those who commit atrocities in the name of God. He painted a clear picture of the devastating future facing the Middle East of nothing is done. He wants The money fueling terrorism to stop, he says the Muslim leadership has to clearly speak out and condemn ISIS and others who claim to be Muslims.
The setting was mind blowing massive and elaborately decorated- what was really over the top to me was the serving of refreshments by numerous servers who brought the food to all the dignitaries after the speeches.
One image that is hard to forget from the welcoming last night was the sight of DJT dancing with a long line of Arabs holding ceremonial swords! He seemed to be having fun. Malania, always composed, was giggling while watching!
Cheeto also missed the opportunity to address all religious-fueled terrorism and extremism. But by doing that he would alienate his base.
drummerboy said:
but didn't he completely fail by not using the words "radical islamic terrorism"?
mtierney said:
you won't hear this anywhere else on MOL, so I must stand up to the plate:
the speech made by our President was strong, appealing to some 50+ leaders of Muslim countries, to join the fight against those who commit atrocities in the name of God. He painted a clear picture of the devastating future facing the Middle East of nothing is done. He wants The money fueling terrorism to stop, he says the Muslim leadership has to clearly speak out and condemn ISIS and others who claim to be Muslims.
The setting was mind blowing massive and elaborately decorated- what was really over the top to me was the serving of refreshments by numerous servers who brought the food to all the dignitaries after the speeches.
One image that is hard to forget from the welcoming last night was the sight of DJT dancing with a long line of Arabs holding ceremonial swords! He seemed to be having fun. Malania, always composed, was giggling while watching!
@mtierney: DJT's speech is a start. Follow-up questions:
1.) How can you have real change regarding extremism in these countries as long as they are theocracies?
2.) How do you deal with newcomers to US who have been raised in theocracies, and believe a theocracy is a valid form of government in the 21st century?
mtierney said:
you won't hear this anywhere else on MOL, so I must stand up to the plate:
the speech made by our President was strong, appealing to some 50+ leaders of Muslim countries, to join the fight against those who commit atrocities in the name of God. He painted a clear picture of the devastating future facing the Middle East of nothing is done. He wants The money fueling terrorism to stop, he says the Muslim leadership has to clearly speak out and condemn ISIS and others who claim to be Muslims.
The setting was mind blowing massive and elaborately decorated- what was really over the top to me was the serving of refreshments by numerous servers who brought the food to all the dignitaries after the speeches.
One image that is hard to forget from the welcoming last night was the sight of DJT dancing with a long line of Arabs holding ceremonial swords! He seemed to be having fun. Malania, always composed, was giggling while watching!
Tough questions which have been difficult for past administrations to answer. People around the world resent being told their ways of life are obsolete and/or barbaric. Western countries have suffered indignation and lethal retaliation by the countries we thought we could enlighten them. America has been seen as the bully, not a friend.
(Can we get a draft choice, Jamie?) and a fix on the floating box above!
1.) How can you have real change regarding extremism in these countries as long as they are theocracies?
Will get back to query 2 later.
You do realize, I hope, that we face a far greater threat from people who believe in a theocracy from home-grown Christians than from "newcomers".
RealityForAll said:
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2.) How do you deal with newcomers to US who have been raised in theocracies, and believe a theocracy is a valid form of government in the 21st century?
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