Welcome to Cooperman-ville
drummerboy said:
The billionaire is plastering his name all over the place. St. Barnabas has been renamed to Cooperman Barnabas Medical Center.
That cost him a 100 mil.
ego much Leon?
bleh
outstanding job by the Coopermans. The largest figure ever donated to a NJ hospital. Not sure what you find so offensive.
Redfruit said:
drummerboy said:
The billionaire is plastering his name all over the place. St. Barnabas has been renamed to Cooperman Barnabas Medical Center.
That cost him a 100 mil.
ego much Leon?
blehoutstanding job by the Coopermans. The largest figure ever donated to a NJ hospital. Not sure what you find so offensive.
he's clearly donating money so that he can get his name on things for perpetuity. Barnabas is not the only example.
kind of sociopathic, if you ask me.
drummerboy said:
Redfruit said:
drummerboy said:
The billionaire is plastering his name all over the place. St. Barnabas has been renamed to Cooperman Barnabas Medical Center.
That cost him a 100 mil.
ego much Leon?
blehoutstanding job by the Coopermans. The largest figure ever donated to a NJ hospital. Not sure what you find so offensive.
he's clearly donating money so that he can get his name on things for perpetuity. Barnabas is not the only example.
kind of sociopathic, if you ask me.
You’re being silly.
drummerboy said:
he's clearly donating money so that he can get his name on things for perpetuity. Barnabas is not the only example.
kind of sociopathic, if you ask me.
The hospital with his name on it is still a subsidiary of a company named after some guy named Johnson.
db - Is renaming St. Barnabas Cooper Barnabas any different than the colleges and universities that name buildings and programs after large donors or other hospitals that name their facilities after large donors?
btw - Cooperman has vowed to give away his entire wealth to charities.
One of the most famous hospitals in the world:
"The Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research (SKI) was established on August 8, 1945. A gift of $4 million from Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., Chairman of General Motors and a trustee on the board of Memorial Hospital, provided the initial funds for the construction of the institute and its early operating costs. Engineer Charles F. Kettering — Director of Research at GM as well as inventor of the key-operated ignition switch and anti-knock gasoline — was the institute’s co-founder. He served as a member of SKI’s Committee on Scientific Policy for many years."
https://www.mskcc.org/research/ski/about/history#:~:text=The%20Sloan%2DKettering%20Institute%20for,and%20its%20early%20operating%20costs.
As an aside, the Monday of Thanksgiving week I had to go to the Cooperman Barnabas emergency room and stayed in the hospital for three days before being transferred to Weill Cornell and the treatment that I received at Cooperman Barnabas was excellent. Everyone was wonderful.
cramer said:
db - Is renaming St. Barnabas Cooper Barnabas any different than the colleges and universities that name buildings and programs after large donors or other hospitals that name their facilities after large donors?
btw - Cooperman has vowed to give away his entire wealth to charities.
It's one thing to have one thing named after you.
It's another to have many.
cramer said:
One of the most famous hospitals in the world:
"The Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research (SKI) was established on August 8, 1945. A gift of $4 million from Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., Chairman of General Motors and a trustee on the board of Memorial Hospital, provided the initial funds for the construction of the institute and its early operating costs. Engineer Charles F. Kettering — Director of Research at GM as well as inventor of the key-operated ignition switch and anti-knock gasoline — was the institute’s co-founder. He served as a member of SKI’s Committee on Scientific Policy for many years."
https://www.mskcc.org/research/ski/about/history#:~:text=The%20Sloan%2DKettering%20Institute%20for,and%20its%20early%20operating%20costs.
here's the difference. Sloan and Kettering founded the hospital. They created something.
Cooperman is creating nothing. He's buying billboards.
drummerboy said:
cramer said:
One of the most famous hospitals in the world:
"The Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research (SKI) was established on August 8, 1945. A gift of $4 million from Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., Chairman of General Motors and a trustee on the board of Memorial Hospital, provided the initial funds for the construction of the institute and its early operating costs. Engineer Charles F. Kettering — Director of Research at GM as well as inventor of the key-operated ignition switch and anti-knock gasoline — was the institute’s co-founder. He served as a member of SKI’s Committee on Scientific Policy for many years."
https://www.mskcc.org/research/ski/about/history#:~:text=The%20Sloan%2DKettering%20Institute%20for,and%20its%20early%20operating%20costs.
here's the difference. Sloan and Kettering founded the hospital. They created something.
Cooperman is creating nothing. He's buying billboards.
db - You've been on a Cooperman thing for years - even before the hospital was renamed. I remember when you had a knee replacement and stayed in the new part and were highly critical of the rooms for which he donated the money.
Seems like a Cooperman gripe occurs every 5 years for drummerboy:
STANV said:
Who was Barnabas and how much did he give?
he was a saint… let’s not go there.
Does it really have to be said that 100 million bucks creates a whole lot? Or is that once the hospital building is built, you don't need money to, you know, supply it with things?
bub said:
Does it really have to be said that 100 million bucks creates a whole lot? Or is that once the hospital building is built, you don't need money to, you know, supply it with things?
I wasn't aware that Barnabas was in need of an infusion of funds to keep performing their function. Based on all of the construction over the past few years (before the donation) they seem to be pretty financially fit.
(I live across the street so I see their progress every day.)
And the 100 million does not appear to be earmarked for anything in particular, so not really sure what it will create that wouldn't have been created anyway.
"The Coopermans, who live and have raised their family in Essex County, have an extensive history of philanthropy in a number of areas, but to this Barnabas facility in particular. The couple has donated more than 100 times to the medical center previously, including a $25 million gift in 2014 that provided the catalyst for a vast expansion of the hospital."
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"This ($100 million) gift is not connected to a particular project, but RWJBarnabas Health CEO Barry Ostrowsky told ROI-NJ the donation will have both immediate and long-lasting impact.
“Like all businesses, we have a strategic plan,” he said. “Ours includes new facilities, the recruitment of new clinicians, the expansion of academic teaching, the expansion of social programs — all the things we need to do to pursue our mission.
“When you infuse $100 million into executing that plan, you get to accelerate all of that. And you get to ensure that it’s not just some vision in a loose-leaf binder somewhere, that it’s really an operating model that will ultimately get you the success on the mission.”
db - You don't like Cooperman and for that reason dismiss all of the contributions that he has made over the years. You've used Cooperman Barnabas (nee St. Barnabas) several times in the last few years. You're always free to use another hospital if you don't like it being named after Cooperman.
cramer said:
"The Coopermans, who live and have raised their family in Essex County, have an extensive history of philanthropy in a number of areas, but to this Barnabas facility in particular. The couple has donated more than 100 times to the medical center previously, including a $25 million gift in 2014 that provided the catalyst for a vast expansion of the hospital."
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"This ($100 million) gift is not connected to a particular project, but RWJBarnabas Health CEO Barry Ostrowsky told ROI-NJ the donation will have both immediate and long-lasting impact.
“Like all businesses, we have a strategic plan,” he said. “Ours includes new facilities, the recruitment of new clinicians, the expansion of academic teaching, the expansion of social programs — all the things we need to do to pursue our mission.
“When you infuse $100 million into executing that plan, you get to accelerate all of that. And you get to ensure that it’s not just some vision in a loose-leaf binder somewhere, that it’s really an operating model that will ultimately get you the success on the mission.”
what's your point, other than showing that I was right about the contribution not being earmarked for anything special - hence, no "creation".
cramer said:
db - You don't like Cooperman and for that reason dismiss all of the contributions that he has made over the years. You've used Cooperman Barnabas (nee St. Barnabas) several times in the last few years. You're always free to use another hospital if you don't like it being named after Cooperman.
not exactly. I just find it offensive that he's plastering his name all over the place, as if he was someone important. There's nothing impressive about buying a legacy.
and sure, the fact that I think much of his politics and worldview are abhorrent doesn't help.
on top of it all, Barnabas doesn't even need the money. So what exactly was the point of his contribution, other than renaming the hospital?
drummerboy said:
on top of it all, Barnabas doesn't even need the money. So what exactly was the point of his contribution, other than renaming the hospital?
you are simply obtuse if you can't figure any of this out. I know you like to argue, and post in every single thread, but really you are making yourself look ignorant beyond measure in this thread of yours.
There are different levels of charitable giving described in the ancient texts. Roughly speaking, giving anonymously is the highest form, giving unanonymously is below that, but certainly better than not at all. Splashing one's name around in gifts certainly sounds egotistical, but what about the feelings of moral superiority In secret giving?
Jasmo said:
There are different levels of charitable giving described in the ancient texts. Roughly speaking, giving anonymously is the highest form, giving unanonymously is below that, but certainly better than not at all.
If your focus is judging the giver, so be it. To me the issue is whether any donation or other charitable act has a positive value. The mix of ego and altruism that motives a good deed may never be sorted out. 100% altruism may not exist. Who cares?
That cost him a 100 mil.
ego much Leon?
bleh