TRUMPCARE

I could go for centrist Dems vs. Socialists.

you do realize that "run out of town" is a figure of speech, right?

Anyway, we'd do a lot better with no opposition party than the current crop of Republican clowns and fanatics.

RealityForAll said:

@Shoshannah,

I get it, you want to run the Repubs out of DC.

Being that we have a two party system, who/what will be the opposition party once the Dems are firmly in control (and the Repubs have been "run out of town")?

shoshannah said:

jamie said:

What the republicans are asking for is quite odd - you should only have to pay for what you need. So empty nesters shouldn't have to pay for pediatric care - seniors shouldn't have to pay for maternity care, etc. Even Paul Ryan has said the problem with Obama care is that the healthy is paying for the sick. It's absolutely bizarre, these guys have no clue how health care works.

The fact that they changed that seniors can be charged 5 to 1 over the cheapest plan - instead of 3 to 1 as it is now - is a benefit for the young and healthy - instead of a increase to seniors.

They've had zero testimony from the healthcare community. 17% approve the bill. The want healthcare control to go back to the state.

OK, listen up everyone. The sooner we embrace the fact that the GOP DOES NOT CARE about American citizens (except the 1%), the better the chance we'll have to run them out of town for good. Stop pondering how it's bizarre they they don't know how insurance works. Stop wondering why they didn't get expert input. Just remember these two things:

1. They are ALL kleptocrats. Every last one of them. They want it all for themselves.

2. THEY. DON'T. CARE.

Read this. It gets to the heart of the matter better than any article I've seen.

http://billmoyers.com/story/has-the-trump-budget-blown-republicans-cover/#.WNSc7do3_As.facebook

"Make sure the black man is a single term President" is not an opposition party.

I just read something that I hadn't realized before - when has a President ever delivered an ultimatum to the House the way Trump has just done? Demanding a vote today or forget about the whole thing?

And why is the House kowtowing to him?

We are so flocked up.

"All life is precious from the moment of conception."
five seconds later
"Maternity and prenatal care are unnecessary burdens."

dave said:

"All life is precious from the moment of conception."
five seconds later
"Maternity and prenatal care are unnecessary burdens."

Their inconsistent lies are glaring. Just as the house voted about 50 times to kill Obamacare. Now, when a vote would count, they won't do it.

They're steeped in bull, up to their throats.

Yet, the public reelects them. Abusing it, it seems Americans may no longer be deserving of democracy.

well, where's the vote?

it's actually kind of funny. They found it easy to continually vote to repeal Obamacare when they knew it was an empty gesture. Now that it would actually mean something, they won't do it. It's like the guy who really doesn't want to fight yelling for his friends to hold him back. Now the friend just let him loose, and it's obvious he doesn't have the stomach for a fight.

RealityForAll said:

@Shoshannah,

I get it, you want to run the Repubs out of DC.

Being that we have a two party system, who/what will be the opposition party once the Dems are firmly in control (and the Repubs have been "run out of town")?

Maybe the problem is the two party system. Remember there is no provision in the Constitution and to my knowledge no Federal Statute setting up such a system.

Do the ideologues of the Freedom Caucus really belong in the same Party as the "moderate" members of the Tuesday Club and do either of those groups belong in the same Party as Trump?

GOP House position on Obamacare in 2016:

GOP House on Obamacare in 2017:

pulling the bill now? C'mon. Take the vote, take the loss, be a man.

I realize this is a good thing but I really wanted to see him be burned. I guess this is second best.

I went to Politico to watch Live Streaming of vote and instead:

Update 3:35 p.m.: House leaders pulled their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare just ahead of a planned vote on Friday, in a staggering blow to President Donald Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan. The move came amid a slew of late-breaking defections by moderate and far-right members of the Republican Conference, who were unbowed by Trump's ultimatum to vote for the plan or live with Obamacare. This story will be updated.

The recently departed Jimmy Breslin wrote a book called "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"

Oh wait, maybe not....

I am crying a few tears of political joy for the very first time in a long time

is he off to Mar-a-Lago?

Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

However, as politico said above, "This story will be updated."

We need to have at least two parties. But not the group that calls itself Republican at this point in history. These are people who really, truly do not care about most citizens of this country. Please read the article I linked to upthread. Here it is again:

Has the Trump Budget Blown Republicans’ Cover?, by Neal Gabler

This quote comes at the end of the piece, but is the over-arching theme:

"You can’t pretend Trump and his Republican pals are trying to achieve good ends by different means. They aren’t. You can’t act as if they give a damn about the millions of poor and working-class Americans. They don’t."

A few choice quotes that capture the situation:

--[T]he American Health Care Act, as they call it, may have been intended to deny coverage, just as Trump’s budget clearly was intended to hurt the most vulnerable, including those vulnerable supporters of his. To my mind, these weren’t collateral effects. They were the very reasons for the AHCA and the budget.

--Plain and simple, rich people are rich because they are better than poor people.

--By the same token, poor people are poor because they are worse. This is God’s edict, so to speak. From social Darwinism, they borrowed the idea that this is the way the world should be: winners and losers, those who can succeed and those who can’t.

--From this perspective, conservatives may not really think they are harming the vulnerable but instead harming the undeserving, which is very different. In effect, conservatives believe they are only meting out divine and natural justice.

--As far as conservatives and Republicans are concerned, to give anything to the less fortunate is to subtract it from everyone else — a zero-sum game between the rich and the rest of America.

--This isn’t politics. This is bedrock conservative philosophy.

Trump still has to be seen as the one calling the shots. Trump called Robert Costa to say that he told Ryan to pull the bill.

One of the earliest GOP warnings, 7 years ago, was once you give people ACA they won't want to give it up. That is one of their few correct predictions.

Now let's get to the business of tweaking a good law to make it even better.

Oh, and the GOP humiliation is just a bonus.

Paul Ryan is such a lying sack o sh!t.

Best line so far, from Jake Tapper: are we tired of all the winning yet?

drummerboy said:

Paul Ryan is such a lying sack o sh!t.

Really; is there an emptier suit than Ryan?

The guy had one job, in the family business, after college; for 6 months or so; then went to D.C. and never looked back. Wonder if he still makes his staffers read Ayn Rand.

Trump tell Maggie Haberman in an interview that it is the Democrats' fault and that when Obamacare "explodes" they will be ready to deal.

Trump drew his red line in the sand last night, and he has now let the Freedom Caucus walk right over it.

What's with presidents and red lines these days? Don't they know what they mean?  Don't they know how damaging it is when they let people ignore them?

I beat him to it

GL2 said:

Best line so far, from Jake Tapper: are we tired of all the winning yet?

"It was very, very close. We had no democrats that would support us so we couldn't get there."

Um, you have the majority. You did not need a single Democratic vote. This failed because YOU couldn't even get YOUR OWN PARTY to vote for it. Donald, YOU failed.

Mr. Orange was not scheduled to go to FL this weekend according to south FL papers.

Will be quite telling should that change and I can't wait for this Saturday's Sheet Storm of Tweets.

Best Regards,

Ron Carter