Train crashed into platform at Hoboken Terminal

The weekend service is a convoluted trip. It you have been on it you will notice that you go in one direction into Hoboken and then in the reverse direction out of Hoboken. That is because the station is not through but a terminus. The track to New York is not far away but you can not go through Hoboken.

What a silly thing to be pedantic about, in this thread of all threads. "YOU" as you put it, can certainly go through a station. A train cannot "go through" in a linear fashion but it can certainly travel in and out of it without backtracking to the original point of departure. On a day like today, which meaning of "go through" do you think people care about?

In any case- PATH has announced debarkation ONLY from HOB as of 3pm.

imonlysleeping said:

The tracks literally end. You cannot go through that station. There is only one way in and out.

Jackson_Fusion said:

imonlysleeping said:

There is no "through" at the Hoboken station PATH. It's the last stop.

Sure there is. Weekends it's single train. Week days it's switch or turn around a train. As I mentioned the station itself is physically fine in all respects. Going into and out of the station itself would be the issue.

through
THro͞o/
preposition & adverb

1.
moving in one side and out of the other side of (an opening, channel, or location).

You can not go through the Hoboken station in this definition.

ska said:

through
THro͞o/
preposition & adverb

1.
moving in one side and out of the other side of (an opening, channel, or location).




You can not go through the Hoboken station in this definition.

Ugh. Want to argue it further, shoot me a PM. Not the place.

Humans can get out HOB, can travel onward from HOB. but can't get on at HOB. That's the info that matters.

The only PATH train that goes direct from Manhattan to Harrison or Newark is from the World Trade Center. If you go from 33rd, you have to change in NJ (but not Hoboken).

Speaking of Notify NYC, it's a good service, and some of you should consider signing up. You get text alerts if you like. Sometimes there are too many, and they are annoying, but they are useful, so I stick with it.

weirdbeard said:

aikon101 said:

sac said:

aikon101 said:

As far as I know midtown direct trains should not be effected, so people commuting to NYC might need to make the trek up to penn to make it home for a bit...

They will no doubt be VERY crowded. And I don't think they can add extra trains as they sometimes do out of Hoboken when there is a problem with MTD.

ETA - Perhaps there may be cases where they could add an extra car or two to some trains (?)

I actually don't think midtown direct trains to maplewood/so will be *too* badly effected, as none of them connect with Secaucus. I'm pretty sure that's where all the displaced Bergen and other people who don't have direct trains will be routed through. Unless they start running all trains to secaucus to accommodate everyone. Even then, you will probably be able to get a seat in Maplewood before the crowding gets too bad on the way in. Coming home of course will be a different story. Show up early!

The NYT alert stated that additional stops may be added on Midtown Direct trains east of Summit, which could entail these trains now stopping at Secaucus. At the very least, I suspect they are going to become fully local between Newark Broad and Summit, hitting East Orange, Highland, etc.

It sounds like NJT is making the best available alternate plans and if those of us who ride the MTD have to have more locals and fewer expresses for a while, that doesn't seem to be too great a sacrifice.

Has anyone seen what Penn Station looks like? Are there crowds already?

WkngMom said:

Has anyone seen what Penn Station looks like? Are there crowds already?

Spouse is on the 5:14, which normally gets to Maplewood at 5:44. He said Penn seemed fairly normal. (Which to my way of thinking is pretty crowded.) They did add a stop at Secaucus. (Usually it only stops at Newark Broad before Maplewood.)

Penn looked 'normal'. 5:41 left more less on time and is full but with still some standing room. This is typically an express, NYP, Maplewood, Millburn, etc today added extra stops Secaucus, Newark and Summit. Honored Hoboken ticket . Arriving in Maplewood now at 6:18, 10 minutes later than its scheduled arrival

imonlysleeping said:

There is no "through" at the Hoboken station PATH. It's the last stop.

Your pedantry couldn't be more wrong. The train literally went through the station waiting room.

Thank you!!

sac said:

WkngMom said:

Has anyone seen what Penn Station looks like? Are there crowds already?

Spouse is on the 5:14, which normally gets to Maplewood at 5:44. He said Penn seemed fairly normal. (Which to my way of thinking is pretty crowded.) They did add a stop at Secaucus. (Usually it only stops at Newark Broad before Maplewood.)

Is it just normal investigative procedure or is there something strange going on?

The conductor is out of the hospital and home and I would assume investigators spoke with him, but still no word on what may have caused the crash.

yahooyahoo said:

Is it just normal investigative procedure or is there something strange going on?

The conductor is out of the hospital and home and I would assume investigators spoke with him, but still no word on what may have caused the crash.

They are retrieving the "black box" this morning. It's normal investigative procedure.

CNN is stating the recorder has been recovered and also the conductor has not been interviewed yet.

yahooyahoo said:

CNN is stating that the recorder has been recovered and also that the conductor has not been interviewed yet.

Normal.

To me, the craziest part of this whole thing is that the person who presumably was at the most forward position in the train not only survived, but walked out of the hospital in the afternoon. That's great, but certainly not what one would expect.

I thought that the newscasts yesterday said that the conductor was in the last car, not the first. (They can't turn the trains around in the Hoboken station since there's no roundhouse, so the engine can be at the back of the train as they come into the station and at the front of the train as they leave) - so, I wasn't surprised that the conductor wasn't badly hurt, since he was not located at the main point of impact.

Ah, that would make more sense, thanks

helenkitty said:

imonlysleeping said:

There is no "through" at the Hoboken station PATH. It's the last stop.

Your pedantry couldn't be more wrong. The train literally went through the station waiting room.

The NJT train did that, not the PATH train.

imonlysleeping is right about the topography of the station but not about the service, since there are two ways a PATH train can go after leaving the station.

mjh said:

yahooyahoo said:

Is it just normal investigative procedure or is there something strange going on?

The conductor is out of the hospital and home and I would assume investigators spoke with him, but still no word on what may have caused the crash.

They are retrieving the "black box" this morning. It's normal investigative procedure.

And there are actually 2 - one they recovered and the other is in the Cab - the front car - and there are currently large parts of the ceiling/overhead that are on top of that one. They're working on getting that one.

My bet is the guy fell asleep.

cody said:

I thought that the newscasts yesterday said that the conductor was in the last car, not the first. (They can't turn the trains around in the Hoboken station since there's no roundhouse, so the engine can be at the back of the train as they come into the station and at the front of the train as they leave) - so, I wasn't surprised that the conductor wasn't badly hurt, since he was not located at the main point of impact.

The engineer was in the front car and always is. Maybe there was a conductor in the rear car but the conductor does not operate the train. The engineer does. When the trains stops in Hoboken, the engineer leaves the first car and goes to the rear car to operate the train in the other direction.

Thomas Gallagher is an engineer,not a conductor. Listening to CNN they kept going back and forth on this. Train riders certainly know the difference.

The story I heard said that the person in charge of driving/steering the train was in the last car.

wedjet said:

cody said:

I thought that the newscasts yesterday said that the conductor was in the last car, not the first. (They can't turn the trains around in the Hoboken station since there's no roundhouse, so the engine can be at the back of the train as they come into the station and at the front of the train as they leave) - so, I wasn't surprised that the conductor wasn't badly hurt, since he was not located at the main point of impact.

The engineer was in the front car and always is. Maybe there was a conductor in the rear car but the conductor does not operate the train. The engineer does. When the trains stops in Hoboken, the engineer leaves the first car and goes to the rear car to operate the train in the other direction.

The engine was at the rear, the engineer was at the front, riding in the "cab car."

I think that was a misunderstanding of the concept of push pull that NJT trains operate on.

ska said:

I think that was a misunderstanding of the concept of push pull that NJT trains operate on.

Yah, it's a little confusing. After 2/3 of my life commuting by train, I have finally caught on...

cody said:

The story I heard said that the person in charge of driving/steering the train was in the last car.

That story was wrong.

That or everyone involved is about to get fired.

I'd like to be in charge of steering a train. Easiest job ever.