There was a drone in my airspace!?
I think the repetition might get in the way of the message being received.
Over here, there’s constant discussion b/n the civil air authorities, various ‘watchful’ authorities and three levels of government (federal, State and local). While they’re trying to work out their own use of drones, they’re not thinking about how ordinary citizens will use them, nor how the business world might use them. That allows the corporate world (‘entrepreneurs’) and thrill-seekers (‘disrupters’ and ‘innovators’) to come up with fun new ways to buzz their neighbours and torment the natural world.
If people think they can get away with something, they’ll keep trying to.
From September, drones over a certain size will need to be registered and their operators will need to be over a minimum age and also registered (I don’t think it’s a ‘licence’, more like carrying a permit).
A drone can:
- According to the FAA, a drone is an aircraft. It is illegal to take actions that cause aircraft to crash.
- A drone pilot is a pilot. It is illegal to harass or assault them in any way that puts their aircraft at risk of crashing. That goes for firing laser pointers at them just as much as anything.
- A drone can fly over your property. Under current law, it can even fly into your backyard, it just can’t land and the pilot cannot access your property without permission.
A drone CANNOT:
- If a drone has a camera attached, all photo and video it captures are subject to the same privacy laws as any other camera. You can’t photograph your neighbors from the bushes using a hand-held camera, these photos are not all of a sudden legal just because your camera has wings.
- Cameras are powerful tools for FPV (First Person View) flights, but a drone still MUST be within direct visual line of sight to the pilot. i.e. If you cannot see into your neighbors backyard from where you are standing, it is illegal to fly your drone into your neighbors back yard.
- A drone cannot fly over people.
source:
https://www.dronerush.com/you-cant-shoot-drones-15097/
ridski said:
If someone parks in front of my house, they're getting towed. Not my fault you can't park there. Them's the rules.
In what town? Unless there is restrictive signage (or a fire hydrant or close proximity to an intersection or crosswalk), I know this isn’t against the rules in Maplewood.
sac said:
In what town? Unless there is restrictive signage (or a fire hydrant or close proximity to an intersection or crosswalk), I know this isn’t against the rules in Maplewood.
Ridski has a no parking sign in front of his house.... violators will be towed at owner's expense....
sac said:
ridski said:In what town? Unless there is restrictive signage (or a fire hydrant or close proximity to an intersection or crosswalk), I know this isn’t against the rules in Maplewood.
If someone parks in front of my house, they're getting towed. Not my fault you can't park there. Them's the rules.
Or unless you live on one of these street sections (there are quite a few, with and without signs):
peteglider said:
I'm having a hard time with this.
So is it acceptable for general and commercial aviation to fly over our homes? What about weather and other imaging satellites which we know are daily taking pictures of our homes?
If someone parks in the street in front of our homes - does that mean they're infringing on your space?
To just assume that a drone that overhead is looking at you, that's likely just not the case. Just as a car sitting in front of your house isn't likely up to something nefarious (and if its a Tesla or other make with highest level of safety equipment, there are 6 or more cameras)
If you want to shoot drones down instead of clay pigeons, be my guest, but that seems like an expensive sport to me. ;-)
Seriously? I'm in California and 2 summers ago we were in our pool and kept hearing this buzzing noise. It took awhile for us to realize it was a drone. It was the most invasive feeling to know someone was looking at us and we had no way of knowing who it was. There needs to be serious regulation of these things.
Jaytee said:
sac said:Ridski has a no parking sign in front of his house.... violators will be towed at owner's expense....
In what town? Unless there is restrictive signage (or a fire hydrant or close proximity to an intersection or crosswalk), I know this isn’t against the rules in Maplewood.
How does he have the right to do that since the street and curb are under town jurisdiction?
Dave thanks for posting the rules above.
I think that the commercially available drone technology renders some of those rules really hard to enforce. If someone pilots a drone into my back yard, hovers ten feet over the ground for a minute or two and then buzzes off it could be really hard for me to figure out who was behind it. If I spot someone hiding in the bushes with a camera I can at least call the cops and maybe take my own picture or provide a description. Or they can be 100 feet over my property with a decent lens - one of the ones I looked at online just now has a 20MP Hasselblad camera. Privacy laws don't matter as much if the photographer is more easily anonymous with powerful high end photography equiment.
The rule about a drone not being allowed to fly over people is kind of a laugh. What does that actually mean?
For the last few years I have noticed a drone (sometimes two) aloft during the July 4th fireworks in Maplewood - I'm assuming to take aerial pictures of the show. Given the density of the crowds I find it hard to believe that drone was not "over people".
Most drone operators are probably very fine people, but there is a small percentage that might use them to gather illicit pictures. They add a third dimension to the problem of maintaining privacy and I'm not sure current laws are sufficient to deal with them.
Most people’s vision won’t be good to identify the markings on an aircraft passing overhead, let alone a helicopter or a drone (given the continual refocusing needed with speed and motion, glare etc). Most people won’t be fast enough to reach for binoculars so they can read the markings every time something flies overhead.
So add all that to the growing air traffic ‘clutter’ we’ll soon experience (with Uber air etc), and the air space we think of as private is anything but.
Sadly, the fact is that most people doing what they think of as edgy/exciting stuff with drones in populated areas will keep pushing boundaries as far as they can for as long as they can get away with it. It’ll take a prominent case of privacy invasion coupled with another crime to limit this. (Unless it turns that drone pilot into a hero :/)
dave said:
A drone can:
- According to the FAA, a drone is an aircraft. It is illegal to take actions that cause aircraft to crash.
The Fed government will not assign resources to prosecute an attack on a private drone.
The exception is if its a governmental drone. But then they would apply state laws. A police drone fro example would be interfering with police or destroying police property.
DaveSchmidt said:
sac said:Or unless you live on one of these street sections (there are quite a few, with and without signs):
ridski said:In what town? Unless there is restrictive signage (or a fire hydrant or close proximity to an intersection or crosswalk), I know this isn’t against the rules in Maplewood.
If someone parks in front of my house, they're getting towed. Not my fault you can't park there. Them's the rules.
https://ecode360.com/9422271#9422271
Which I do. Some other sections of my street leading up to my house are designated as No Stopping/Standing Mon-Fri 4-6pm [Tow Away Zone]. I fall into a complete No Stopping/Standing area. And while the police won't tow you if you're making a delivery, if you are properly on the street outside my house, I will call the police and they will likely tow you.
If the town has designated certain street sections as restricted parking then they should have signs indicating such. Otherwise, how are people supposed to know? (My comment did mention "restrictive signage".)
joanne said:
Over here, there’s constant discussion b/n the civil air authorities, various ‘watchful’ authorities and three levels of government (federal, State and local). While they’re trying to work out their own use of drones, they’re not thinking about how ordinary citizens will use them, nor how the business world might use them. That allows the corporate world (‘entrepreneurs’) and thrill-seekers (‘disrupters’ and ‘innovators’) to come up with fun new ways to buzz their neighbours and torment the natural world.
If people think they can get away with something, they’ll keep trying to.
From September, drones over a certain size will need to be registered and their operators will need to be over a minimum age and also registered (I don’t think it’s a ‘licence’, more like carrying a permit).
Why not a license I would wonder...
dave said:
A drone can:
- According to the FAA, a drone is an aircraft. It is illegal to take actions that cause aircraft to crash.
- A drone pilot is a pilot. It is illegal to harass or assault them in any way that puts their aircraft at risk of crashing. That goes for firing laser pointers at them just as much as anything.
- A drone can fly over your property. Under current law, it can even fly into your backyard, it just can’t land and the pilot cannot access your property without permission.
A drone CANNOT:
- If a drone has a camera attached, all photo and video it captures are subject to the same privacy laws as any other camera. You can’t photograph your neighbors from the bushes using a hand-held camera, these photos are not all of a sudden legal just because your camera has wings.
- Cameras are powerful tools for FPV (First Person View) flights, but a drone still MUST be within direct visual line of sight to the pilot. i.e. If you cannot see into your neighbors backyard from where you are standing, it is illegal to fly your drone into your neighbors back yard.
- A drone cannot fly over people.
source:
https://www.dronerush.com/you-cant-shoot-drones-15097/
Love this, and I'm glad there are some rules, but difficult to regulate I would think...
mrincredible said:
Dave thanks for posting the rules above.
I think that the commercially available drone technology renders some of those rules really hard to enforce. If someone pilots a drone into my back yard, hovers ten feet over the ground for a minute or two and then buzzes off it could be really hard for me to figure out who was behind it. If I spot someone hiding in the bushes with a camera I can at least call the cops and maybe take my own picture or provide a description. Or they can be 100 feet over my property with a decent lens - one of the ones I looked at online just now has a 20MP Hasselblad camera. Privacy laws don't matter as much if the photographer is more easily anonymous with powerful high end photography equiment.
The rule about a drone not being allowed to fly over people is kind of a laugh. What does that actually mean?
For the last few years I have noticed a drone (sometimes two) aloft during the July 4th fireworks in Maplewood - I'm assuming to take aerial pictures of the show. Given the density of the crowds I find it hard to believe that drone was not "over people".
Most drone operators are probably very fine people, but there is a small percentage that might use them to gather illicit pictures. They add a third dimension to the problem of maintaining privacy and I'm not sure current laws are sufficient to deal with them.
Yes, exactly
dave said:
A drone can:
- According to the FAA, a drone is an aircraft. It is illegal to take actions that cause aircraft to crash.
- A drone pilot is a pilot. It is illegal to harass or assault them in any way that puts their aircraft at risk of crashing. That goes for firing laser pointers at them just as much as anything.
- A drone can fly over your property. Under current law, it can even fly into your backyard, it just can’t land and the pilot cannot access your property without permission.
A drone CANNOT:
- If a drone has a camera attached, all photo and video it captures are subject to the same privacy laws as any other camera. You can’t photograph your neighbors from the bushes using a hand-held camera, these photos are not all of a sudden legal just because your camera has wings.
- Cameras are powerful tools for FPV (First Person View) flights, but a drone still MUST be within direct visual line of sight to the pilot. i.e. If you cannot see into your neighbors backyard from where you are standing, it is illegal to fly your drone into your neighbors back yard.
- A drone cannot fly over people.
source:
https://www.dronerush.com/you-cant-shoot-drones-15097/
Love this, and I'm glad there are some rules, but difficult to regulate I would think...
eliz said:
Seriously? I'm in California and 2 summers ago we were in our pool and kept hearing this buzzing noise. It took awhile for us to realize it was a drone. It was the most invasive feeling to know someone was looking at us and we had no way of knowing who it was. There needs to be serious regulation of these things.
Yes, exactly
RG, in Australia, the drone permit age is younger than the legal driving age - licence won’t be appropriate. Plus it’s possible for your drone to be quite some distance from where you are, so that’s not much help unless there’s some way to connect the operator/pilot and the ‘vehicle’ being flown. (Yep I know that also works with with a permit, but the authorities are thinking along the lines of a fishing and hunting style thingy)
joanne said:
RG, in Australia, the drone permit age is younger than the legal driving age - licence won’t be appropriate. Plus it’s possible for your drone to be quite some distance from where you are, so that’s not much help unless there’s some way to connect the operator/pilot and the ‘vehicle’ being flown. (Yep I know that also works with with a permit, but the authorities are thinking along the lines of a fishing and hunting style thingy)
It's one of my pet peeves about drones. They can be used with almost complete impunity. They're too small to reliably mark for identification.
And the transmission bandwidth clutters up other wifi/transportation type carrier channels. So I'm wondering why operators aren't made to learn some of the rules that govern communication codes... I don't pretend to understand the specifics, but it must be hell for real pilots and radio/signals operators who need to sort out their bandwidth problems from the constantly growing irrelevant chatter.
Drones are used in stadiums and other events to video. They’re a key part of the production in Radio City Xmas Show. More often than not they’re over people
Depends on the type, and its range. There are so many 'toy' styles basically just meant for flying around parks, beach/nature reserves, that kind of thing; or for playing fancy children's' space games & doing school a/v projects (so you get people's consent if you film them or go over their property). Loads of town zones specifically prohibit drones in and around them, but people don't appear to pay any attention - and, as has been pointed out repeatedly here, even if someone did object, it's very difficult to know how to ID the violator.
Then, as if that weren't confusing enough, it's too difficult to work out which drones are allowed and which aren't: so, the police traffic drone is OK and the UberEats pizza drone is OK at lunch time but the sleazy superspy neighbour drone from 4 streets away isn't... Unless he's filming a sports event??
Well, this is way worse: mass surveillance balloons over US airspace:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/pentagon-balloons-surveillance-midwest
Drone hunters -- Drones that capture other drones in nets.
https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2019-08-07/are-drone-hunting-robots-coming-to-city-skies
dave said:
A drone can:
- According to the FAA, a drone is an aircraft. It is illegal to take actions that cause aircraft to crash.
- A drone pilot is a pilot. It is illegal to harass or assault them in any way that puts their aircraft at risk of crashing. That goes for firing laser pointers at them just as much as anything.
- A drone can fly over your property. Under current law, it can even fly into your backyard, it just can’t land and the pilot cannot access your property without permission.
A drone CANNOT:
- If a drone has a camera attached, all photo and video it captures are subject to the same privacy laws as any other camera. You can’t photograph your neighbors from the bushes using a hand-held camera, these photos are not all of a sudden legal just because your camera has wings.
- Cameras are powerful tools for FPV (First Person View) flights, but a drone still MUST be within direct visual line of sight to the pilot. i.e. If you cannot see into your neighbors backyard from where you are standing, it is illegal to fly your drone into your neighbors back yard.
- A drone cannot fly over people.
source:
These laws seem to conflict. If I'm standing in my yard, can a drone fly over my property or not?
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It's exactly the audio and film work that is worrisome when not agreed upon by people...
Thanks, I agree...