The mass shooting today.
Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”
It seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
Outside the USA we’re all recoiling in shock at this and wondering why you don’t limit military-style weapons to rifle ranges and clubs. What on earth could be the possible private use of such weaponry that justifies the urgent need to own even one of them (esp in an urban setting)?? Why would you need to spew out so many live bullets in such a short time - at wildlife or a stationary target? All these weapons are doing is training you to think of resolving disputes by using them.
PVW said:
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
Click to Read MoreIt seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
joanne said:
Outside the USA we’re all recoiling in shock at this and wondering why you don’t limit military-style weapons to rifle ranges and clubs. What on earth could be the possible private use of such weaponry that justifies the urgent need to own even one of them (esp in an urban setting)?? Why would you need to spew out so many live bullets in such a short time - at wildlife or a stationary target? All these weapons are doing is training you to think of resolving disputes by using them.
nothing is going to be done to limit gun violence in the U.S. during the lifetimes of anyone on the planet right now. The SCOTUS essentially created a right to firearms for personal protection more or less out of whole cloth in the Heller decision in 2008. Until that time the 2nd Amendment was interpreted more narrowly according to the text which cites the need for firearms in a militia.
And last year's NYSRPA decision was the inevitable extension of Heller, and asserted a right for people in the U.S. to carry guns around in public. So now who in any legislative body is going to go on record proposing legislation that stands in opposition to this right to "personal protection?"
Dying by gunfire is simply just a risk we all take for living in this country, and it will be for a very long time, if not forever.
OMG! A common sense response! Thank you, RFA!
Be prepared for the fall-out.
RealityForAll said:
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
If this was the first incident like this, your reply would be sensible. But it's not, by a long shot. There are, plainly, far too many people who should not have guns in this country who nonetheless have them. The guns they have are, plainly, far more powerful than can be justified by any appeal to self defense or sportsmanship. How many more instance of someone who has no business with a deadly weapon injuring or killing do we need before "recommendations can be thoughtfully made?"
mtierney said:
OMG! A common sense response! Thank you, RFA!
Be prepared for the fall-out.
it's pretty banal to say we should wait for all the information before drawing conclusions about the incident. Who would disagree with that?
but that really doesn't answer the other question posed, which is -- should any civilian have the type of weapon used in that particular shooting.
PVW said:
If this was the first incident like this, your reply would be sensible. But it's not, by a long shot. There are, plainly, far too many people who should not have guns in this country who nonetheless have them. The guns they have are, plainly, far more powerful than can be justified by any appeal to self defense or sportsmanship. How many more instance of someone who has no business with a deadly weapon injuring or killing do we need before "recommendations can be thoughtfully made?"
and here's the most alarming part of the story.
“When I heard those gunshots, I didn’t think anything of it because in this neighborhood everyone has guns. Every weekend you hear gunshots,” she said in an interview in Spanish.
“People shoot in their backyards, after they drink alcohol, men take out guns at house parties and shoot the ground.”
unfortunately there are too many trigger-happy people in this country who don't treat firearms with the proper respect.
PVW said:
RealityForAll said:
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
If this was the first incident like this, your reply would be sensible. But it's not, by a long shot. There are, plainly, far too many people who should not have guns in this country who nonetheless have them. The guns they have are, plainly, far more powerful than can be justified by any appeal to self defense or sportsmanship. How many more instance of someone who has no business with a deadly weapon injuring or killing do we need before "recommendations can be thoughtfully made?"
All incidents are not the same. As a result, accurate facts need to be ascertained and analyzed. Before this fellow is apprehended, it is hard to say what will come out.
ml1 said:
PVW said:
If this was the first incident like this, your reply would be sensible. But it's not, by a long shot. There are, plainly, far too many people who should not have guns in this country who nonetheless have them. The guns they have are, plainly, far more powerful than can be justified by any appeal to self defense or sportsmanship. How many more instance of someone who has no business with a deadly weapon injuring or killing do we need before "recommendations can be thoughtfully made?"
and here's the most alarming part of the story.
“When I heard those gunshots, I didn’t think anything of it because in this neighborhood everyone has guns. Every weekend you hear gunshots,” she said in an interview in Spanish.
“People shoot in their backyards, after they drink alcohol, men take out guns at house parties and shoot the ground.”unfortunately there are too many trigger-happy people in this country who don't treat firearms with the proper respect.
Drinking and firearms do not mix. If true, this community needs to rethink its' customs and traditions.
RealityForAll said:
ml1 said:
PVW said:
If this was the first incident like this, your reply would be sensible. But it's not, by a long shot. There are, plainly, far too many people who should not have guns in this country who nonetheless have them. The guns they have are, plainly, far more powerful than can be justified by any appeal to self defense or sportsmanship. How many more instance of someone who has no business with a deadly weapon injuring or killing do we need before "recommendations can be thoughtfully made?"
and here's the most alarming part of the story.
“When I heard those gunshots, I didn’t think anything of it because in this neighborhood everyone has guns. Every weekend you hear gunshots,” she said in an interview in Spanish.
“People shoot in their backyards, after they drink alcohol, men take out guns at house parties and shoot the ground.”unfortunately there are too many trigger-happy people in this country who don't treat firearms with the proper respect.
Drinking and firearms do not mix. If true, this community needs to rethink its' customs and traditions.
but it's legal in many states.
In Texas in fact it's not illegal to drink and carry a firearm as long as one isn't legally intoxicated.
Every plane crash is unique, yet we spend time and effort to determine how to make air travel safer. Every outbreak of food poisoning is unique, yet we spend time and effort to determine how to improve food safety. Ever car crash is unique, yet we spend time and effort to determine how to make roads and cars safer. What's so special about firearms that resists any effort to reduce these terrible incidents?
mtierney said:
That certainly makes sense to me. If you are licensed to carry a firearm, be it for professional reasons or other legitimate reasons to obtain a license, caution is mandatory.
I think you misread what I wrote.
RealityForAll said:
PVW said:
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
Click to Read MoreIt seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
So, are you saying that we should treat gun violence as a public health crisis and meticulously research causes and solutions and then take meaningful steps to reduce gun violence?
RealityForAll said:
Drinking and firearms do not mix. If true, this community needs to rethink its' customs and traditions.
If, when you say "community" you mean America, then yes. Yes it does.
tjohn said:
RealityForAll said:
PVW said:
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
Click to Read MoreIt seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
So, are you saying that we should treat gun violence as a public health crisis and meticulously research causes and solutions and then take meaningful steps to reduce gun violence?
Research indicates that certain psychiatric drugs can cause people to become psychotic, aggressive, suicidal (and even homicidal). These are proven drug reactions, not symptoms of a mental illness. I am skeptical that further research into the link between psychiatric drugs and violence can be accomplished accurately and effectively without first blunting the power of big Pharma.
RealityForAll said:
tjohn said:
RealityForAll said:
PVW said:
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
Click to Read MoreIt seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
So, are you saying that we should treat gun violence as a public health crisis and meticulously research causes and solutions and then take meaningful steps to reduce gun violence?
Research indicates that certain psychiatric drugs can cause people to become psychotic, aggressive, suicidal (and even homicidal). These are proven drug reactions, not symptoms of a mental illness. I am skeptical that further research into the link between psychiatric drugs and violence can be accomplished accurately and effectively without first blunting the power of big Pharma.
sure.
but with an aggressive homicidal person wielding a knife or ax instead of a powerful rifle, it's likely four of the five people killed in this incident could have escaped the home alive.
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
tjohn said:
RealityForAll said:
PVW said:
A man using an AR-15-style weapon shot and killed five people Friday, including an 8-year-old — an angry response to the neighbors’ request that he stop shooting in his yard while their baby was trying to sleep, Texas authorities said Saturday. The gunman then fled, prompting an ongoing manhunt.
Authorities charged Francisco Oropeza, 38, with five counts of murder and were searching for him Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told The Washington Post. Authorities believed he was about two miles from the area and were working to apprehend him, he said.
Ten people, all family members, were in the Cleveland, Tex., home during the shooting. Three women, a man and an 8-year-old boy were killed, Capers said. Five others survived, including three children.
The suspect was the victims’ neighbor and went to their home Friday night after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard because of the noise, Capers said.
Oropeza frequently shot the gun in his yard, Capers said, and allegedly became angry when the neighbors said their baby was trying to sleep around or after 11 p.m. Authorities saw video footage of Oropeza walking up to the victims’ front door before going inside.
“The neighbors walked over and said … ‘Hey man, can you not do that, we’ve got an infant in here trying to sleep’ or whatever,” Capers said. “They went back in their house and then we have a video of him walking up their driveway with his AR-15.”Here's another stupid, tragic, horrifying American story:
Gunman killed neighbors, child with AR-15-style rifle, sheriff says (WaPo -- gift link for those worried about paywalls)
Click to Read MoreIt seems clear to me that this man should never have had a gun in the first place. I'm curious, though, what someone like RFA thinks -- how could a situation like this have been prevented? Are such incidents simply the price we pay for the right to bear arms, or are there laws and regulations we all -- gun owners or not -- could agree on that would make stupid tragedies like this less likely? Maybe AR-15s should be illegal? There's quite a difference between the gun and its use in this story and a a shotgun with a three shot limit kept for self-defense. Maybe the bar for owning a gun needs to be higher so that fewer people can own one, and certain behaviors should result in losing one's firearms? Or something else? Or is there nothing to be done -- the second amendment blindfolding our eyes to any solutions and binding our hands from any action?
I think the shooter, Francisco Oropeza (allegedly), needs to be
arrested, his motive (or lack of motive) ascertained
and the circumstances surrounding his acquisition
of the firearm needs to be documented. The wait is very
unsatisfying but we need the facts before recommendations
can be thoughtfully made.
So, are you saying that we should treat gun violence as a public health crisis and meticulously research causes and solutions and then take meaningful steps to reduce gun violence?
Research indicates that certain psychiatric drugs can cause people to become psychotic, aggressive, suicidal (and even homicidal). These are proven drug reactions, not symptoms of a mental illness. I am skeptical that further research into the link between psychiatric drugs and violence can be accomplished accurately and effectively without first blunting the power of big Pharma.
sure.
but with an aggressive homicidal person wielding a knife or ax instead of a powerful rifle, it's likely four of the five people killed in this incident could have escaped the home alive.
Good work on dreaming up hypotheticals. Let's wait until the actual facts come out. Then, we can dissect the shooter's actions, motivations and how to prevent future incidents. Thanks for your patience.
RealityForAll said:
Good work on dreaming up hypotheticals. Let's wait until the actual facts come out. Then, we can dissect the shooter's actions, motivations and how to prevent future incidents. Thanks for your patience.
just responding to your hypothetical, chief.
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
Good work on dreaming up hypotheticals. Let's wait until the actual facts come out. Then, we can dissect the shooter's actions, motivations and how to prevent future incidents. Thanks for your patience.
just responding to your hypothetical, chief.
I wonder if something like this is enough "actual facts" for him to distinguish between an attack with a knife and this attack -
And then, 10 to 20 minutes after Garcia had walked back from Oropeza’s house, the man started running toward him, and reloading.
“I told my wife, ‘Get inside. This man has loaded his weapon,” Garcia said. “My wife told me to go inside because ‘he won’t fire at me, I’m a woman.’”
The gunman walked up to the home and began firing. Garcia’s wife, Sonia Argentina Guzman, 25, was at the front door, and the first to die.
The house held 15 people in all, several of them friends who had been there to join Garcia’s wife on a church retreat. The gunman seemed intent on killing everyone, Garcia said.
Also among the dead were Garcia’s son, Daniel Enrique Laso, and two women who died while shielding Garcia’s baby and 2-year-old daughter.
Man who lost wife, son in Texas shooting that killed 5 recalls how it unfolded | AP News
nohero said:
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
Good work on dreaming up hypotheticals. Let's wait until the actual facts come out. Then, we can dissect the shooter's actions, motivations and how to prevent future incidents. Thanks for your patience.
just responding to your hypothetical, chief.
I wonder if something like this is enough "actual facts" for him to distinguish between an attack with a knife and this attack -
And then, 10 to 20 minutes after Garcia had walked back from Oropeza’s house, the man started running toward him, and reloading.
“I told my wife, ‘Get inside. This man has loaded his weapon,” Garcia said. “My wife told me to go inside because ‘he won’t fire at me, I’m a woman.’”
The gunman walked up to the home and began firing. Garcia’s wife, Sonia Argentina Guzman, 25, was at the front door, and the first to die.
The house held 15 people in all, several of them friends who had been there to join Garcia’s wife on a church retreat. The gunman seemed intent on killing everyone, Garcia said.
Also among the dead were Garcia’s son, Daniel Enrique Laso, and two women who died while shielding Garcia’s baby and 2-year-old daughter.Man who lost wife, son in Texas shooting that killed 5 recalls how it unfolded | AP News
well, hypothetically he could have been taking a psychiatric drug that turned him homicidal. Because after all, guns don't kill people, people on psychiatric drugs kill people.
Apparently, the FBI initially released the wrong photo (initially described photo as being of the shooter). Instead, the person initially pictured as the "suspect/shooter" claims that he is instead an innocent, commercial truck driver. And, the initial photo circulated was of the truck driver, Francisco Opreza, rather than the alleged shooter now identified as Francisco Opresa. I am looking for an FBI press release on this issue. Clearly, correct identification of the alleged shooter is crucial.
PS I feel bad for the truck driver who was initially misidentified as the shooter.
This is the man, he’s probably in Mexico already. Very unlikely that he is still in Texas.
RealityForAll said:
Are you happy for me and my family that the home invasion was defeated without any bloodshed or violence?
If laws that reduced the number of mass shootings in post offices, malls, churches, synagogues, schools, preschools, etc ad nauseam meant that you got robbed, I would definitely still support those laws.
Sorry, your stuff is not more important than the lives of the thousands of people that will die this year because of crazy gun laws.
RealityForAll said:
Apparently, the FBI initially released the wrong photo (initially described photo as being of the shooter). Instead, the person initially pictured as the "suspect/shooter" claims that he is instead an innocent, commercial truck driver. And, the initial photo circulated was of the truck driver, Francisco Opreza, rather than the alleged shooter now identified as Francisco Opresa. I am looking for an FBI press release on this issue. Clearly, correct identification of the alleged shooter is crucial.
PS I feel bad for the truck driver who was initially misidentified as the shooter.
clearly the correct identification is of vital importance in arresting the right person.
It's not particularly relevant however to the larger question as to whether or not civilians should have a right to own such powerful weapons. A question that you don't need any more information on the Cleveland shooting in order to express your thoughts.
If you think people should have a right to own such firearms, why not just go ahead and admit it? Why go round and round about getting all the relevant information on this one shooting in TX?
Jaytee said:
This is the man, he’s probably in Mexico already. Very unlikely that he is still in Texas.
he was in Houston, not El Paso. How do you reckon he got to the border or on to an airplane before the alert went out to border crossings and airport security?
Honestly, I would be willing to sacrifice all of your worldly possessions to have just one kid from Uvalde or Sandy Hook back.
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