Pope Francis, Catholics, and Christians in the news

drummerboy said:

pro-life

Is that all you have? Multiple coverage of the same 10 year old?


mtierney said:

Women’s rights defined by young pro-life activists — positively life affirming view for mother and child.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/us/the-pro-life-generation-young-women-fight-against-abortion-rights.html

If they supported Trump and the GOP, they’re hypocrites. By opposing help for families or expanded children’s health care, the Republican Party opposes any genuine “life affirming view for mother and child.”


mtierney said:

drummerboy said:

pro-life

Is that all you have? Multiple coverage of the same 10 year old?

is that all I have?

one ten year old rape victim isn't enough for you? how many would it take? because there will be more. but it won't matter to you how many more there will be, will it?

be careful about revealing your true colors like that.  people might think bad things about you.

ETA: this is truly one of your most horrific posts.


Why isn’t going along with the late Judge Ginsburg’s wish to stay on the bench and her refusal to take hints about retiring, seen as a Democrat big misstep?


mtierney said:

Why isn’t going along with the late Judge Ginsburg’s wish to stay on the bench and her refusal to take hints about retiring, seen as a Democrat big misstep?

Wrong thread (again).

And the only people who blame Justice Ginsburg are people who wanted the right to be reversed, anyway, or people who are trying to shift the blame from their own inattention to the possibility that it could be reversed.


nohero said:

mtierney said:

Why isn’t going along with the late Judge Ginsburg’s wish to stay on the bench and her refusal to take hints about retiring, seen as a Democrat big misstep?

Wrong thread (again).

And the only people who blame Justice Ginsburg are people who wanted the right to be reversed, anyway, or people who are trying to shift the blame from their own inattention to the possibility that it could be reversed.

Nope - I think Ginsburg made a huge mistake by not retiring and I'm in neither one of those categories. I'm not blaming her for the reversal (there are many, many factors to blame for that), but she should have retired under Obama. But it's certainly not a misstep by the Democrats - it was a misstep by her and her alone.

And mt? It's Democratic, not Democrat. Don't be such a transparent Republican hack.


drummerboy said:

Nope - I think Ginsburg made a huge mistake by not retiring and I'm in neither one of those categories. I'm not blaming her for the reversal (there are many, many factors to blame for that), but she should have retired under Obama. But it's certainly not a misstep by the Democrats - it was a misstep by her and her alone.

And mt? It's Democratic, not Democrat. Don't be such a transparent Republican hack.

my, such angry response to an noun/adjective issue! Or is it grammatically incorrect?

Democrat.  Democratic. Both words, when selected for definition, come up with the identical responses. Here I thought you had your knickers in a twist over a slur of some kind, even unintended by  me.  

I just heard, or read it somewhere, that if a sitting president steps down or dies, the vice president becomes president immediately — no ifs, ands, or buts. A “transparent,” (aka obvious) reality facing Democrats.


mtierney said:

I just heard, or read it somewhere, that if a sitting president steps down or dies, the vice president becomes president immediately — no ifs, ands, or buts. A “transparent,” (aka obvious) reality facing Democrats.

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?


Think about the restrictions on abortion in many states - no exception for rape, incest and, I suppose, medical necessity.

How cruel are you to countenance or even cheer the imposition of such restrictions on women.

And regarding late-term abortion...  Have you no empathy.  For the overwhelming majority of women seeking a late-term abortion, it's because of some serious problem.  And you would deny this to women.

You are just cruel.  You are not righteous.  You are not compassionate.  Just cruel.


mtierney said:

I just heard, or read it somewhere, that if a sitting president steps down or dies, the vice president becomes president immediately — no ifs, ands, or buts. A “transparent,” (aka obvious) reality facing Democrats.

That's nothing. When a sitting Pope steps down, right-wing Catholics become absolutely demented and rant that his replacement isn't really Pope, and they all of a sudden decide that Latin is the only proper Mass language.


nohero said:

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.


mtierney said:

nohero said:

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

Things are getting weird in here.


drummerboy said:

Things are getting weird in here.

it’s her obsession with Kamala… 


Meanwhile, somewhere soon, if not already, a doctor is on the phone to a lawyer (or waiting for a hospital committee to convene) while a woman in the later stages of ectopic pregnancy bleeds and comes closer to death.  How soon can the doc intervene in this always totally doomed pregnancy without risking his/her license or freedom?  What counts as at risk of death, or whatever the current wording is in the state law?

eta, could be wrong, but i can't see Francis liking this outcome


mtierney said:

nohero said:

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

So you're bringing up assassination as a topic, to talk about Joe Biden not serving out his term?


mtierney said:

I just heard, or read it somewhere, that if a sitting president steps down or dies, the vice president becomes president immediately — no ifs, ands, or buts. A “transparent,” (aka obvious) reality facing Democrats.

mtierney said:

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

How can you have known this fact for 60-something years, yet claim you just heard about it?


ridski said:

mtierney said:

I just heard, or read it somewhere, that if a sitting president steps down or dies, the vice president becomes president immediately — no ifs, ands, or buts. A “transparent,” (aka obvious) reality facing Democrats.

mtierney said:

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

How can you have known this fact for 60-something years, yet claim you just heard about it?

She's committed to the bit.


nohero said:

So you're bringing up assassination as a topic, to talk about Joe Biden not serving out his term?

A Trumpy can hope, can’t she? I mean, this is a lady who isn’t quite sure how she feels about a violent attempt to overthrow the government and murder a Republican Vice President. 


mjc said:

Meanwhile, somewhere soon, if not already, a doctor is on the phone to a lawyer (or waiting for a hospital committee to convene) while a woman in the later stages of ectopic pregnancy bleeds and comes closer to death.  How soon can the doc intervene in this always totally doomed pregnancy without risking his/her license or freedom?  What counts as at risk of death, or whatever the current wording is in the state law?

eta, could be wrong, but i can't see Francis liking this outcome

ectopic pregnancy abortion is permitted to save the life of the mother


nohero said:

mtierney said:

nohero said:

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

So you're bringing up assassination as a topic, to talk about Joe Biden not serving out his term?

Not me, you are doing so. An almost 80 year old planning to run for a second four year term is on shaky ground — accident prone, cranky, confused and with communication problems — should think what would be best for the nation, not what he feels wants and needs for personal gratification, no matter the consequences.


mtierney said:

mjc said:

Meanwhile, somewhere soon, if not already, a doctor is on the phone to a lawyer (or waiting for a hospital committee to convene) while a woman in the later stages of ectopic pregnancy bleeds and comes closer to death.  How soon can the doc intervene in this always totally doomed pregnancy without risking his/her license or freedom?  What counts as at risk of death, or whatever the current wording is in the state law?

eta, could be wrong, but i can't see Francis liking this outcome

ectopic pregnancy abortion is permitted to save the life of the mother

What state's law are you interpreting, here? That's what the post is about ("How soon can the doc intervene in this always totally doomed pregnancy without risking his/her license or freedom? What counts as at risk of death, or whatever the current wording is in the state law?").


mtierney said:

nohero said:

mtierney said:

nohero said:

Shocking news. How many people are aware of this obscure provision in the Constitution, I wonder?

Not obscure at all, as anyone old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson’s swearing-in aboard the presidential plane, carrying the body of John F. Kennedy back to Washington from Dallas, will never forget.

So you're bringing up assassination as a topic, to talk about Joe Biden not serving out his term?

Not me, you are doing so. An almost 80 year old planning to run for a second four year term is on shaky ground — accident prone, cranky, confused and with communication problems — should think what would be best for the nation, not what he feels wants and needs for personal gratification, no matter the consequences.

Isn't that up to the voters to decide.  I hope for a contested primary.  I do want a younger candidate.  If the choice is Biden vs.  DeSantis or the Mad Hatter Trump, I will be filled with despair.


You all are OK with dumping the first woman of color to hold the office of vice president?


mtierney said:

You all are OK with dumping the first woman of color to hold the office of vice president?

Can you kindly explain your obsession with Kamala Harris?


mtierney said:

mjc said:

Meanwhile, somewhere soon, if not already, a doctor is on the phone to a lawyer (or waiting for a hospital committee to convene) while a woman in the later stages of ectopic pregnancy bleeds and comes closer to death.  How soon can the doc intervene in this always totally doomed pregnancy without risking his/her license or freedom?  What counts as at risk of death, or whatever the current wording is in the state law?

eta, could be wrong, but i can't see Francis liking this outcome

ectopic pregnancy abortion is permitted to save the life of the mother

As usual, you're full of Bs. I linked this info previously but "it seems" you did see it. That's the thing with you people, you lie and lie and lie and when caught ignore it. Later, when you think its safe, the lies are repeated.

This is the reality. So, enough with the lying BS.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2207423

Many patients we interviewed described feeling hurt and confused when they learned their condition was not exempt from SB8 and they could not receive care in their home state. After receiving fetal diagnoses of spina bifida and trisomy 18, a 39-year-old woman was shocked that her physician would not even inform her about termination options. She said, “When you already have received news like that and can barely function, the thought of then having to do your own investigating to determine where to get this medical care and to arrange going out of state feels additionally overwhelming.”
Clinicians we interviewed recounted a variety of circumstances in which a patient could have received hospital-based abortion care before SB8 but was now denied that care. Patients with a life-limiting fetal diagnosis, such as anencephaly or bilateral renal agenesis, are only being counseled to continue their pregnancy and offered neonatal comfort care options after delivery. All hospitals where our respondents practiced have prohibited multifetal reduction, even though in some cases (e.g., complications of monochorionic twins) failure to perform the procedure could result in the loss of both twins.
Patients with pregnancy complications or preexisting medical conditions that may be exacerbated by pregnancy are being forced to delay an abortion until their conditions become life-threatening and qualify as medical emergencies, or until fetal cardiac activity is no longer detectable. An MFM specialist reported that their hospital no longer offers treatment for ectopic pregnancies implanted in cesarean scars, despite strong recommendations from the Society for Maternal–Fetal Medicine that these life-threatening pregnancies be definitively managed with surgical or medical treatment.4 Some clinicians believe that patients with rupture of membranes before fetal viability are eligible for a medical exemption under SB8, while others believe these patients cannot receive an abortion so long as there is fetal cardiac activity. In multiple cases, the treating clinicians — believing, on the basis of their own or their hospital’s interpretation of the law, that they could not provide early intervention — sent patients home, only to see them return with signs of sepsis. An obstetrician–gynecologist recalled only one patient who was able to obtain an abortion at their hospital under SB8’s maternal health exemption, because her severe cardiac condition had progressed to the point that she was admitted to the intensive care unit. As an MFM specialist summarized, “People have to be on death’s door to qualify for maternal exemptions to SB8.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/05/opinion/ob-gyn-roe-v-wade-pregnancy.html

On June 24, Roe v. Wade was overturned and a near-total abortion ban became law in Ohio, where my wife and I practice. There are no exceptions for rape, incest or fetal anomalies, including lethal conditions.

For these patients, abortion is now illegal in Ohio. Some people will travel out of state. However, many people will not be able to do so, particularly people of color and those living in strategically disenfranchised communities. Sometime soon, I am going to meet a patient who has no ability to leave the state, and I am going to have to tell her that her baby has a lethal condition, and she is going to have to carry a pregnancy to term against her will. It might be tomorrow. It might be weeks from now. But this is going to happen, and I cannot stop it.

This patient will go through her third trimester visibly pregnant. Strangers in the grocery store will congratulate her. She will have to explain her story over and over again to friends, neighbors and co-workers. She will be forced to experience labor and delivery, and then her child will die. The risks of term delivery are far greater than the risk of abortion, so she may also experience hemorrhage, pre-eclampsia, blood clots or other complications.


Some of the boys are going to have to clean up their acts if they want to get anywhere, now. 


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