Pope Francis, Catholics, and Christians in the news worldwide

mtierney said:

@STANV the old mountain man — an answer of sorts to one of your many  questions….

I make an effort not to talk religion in other threads — not always successfully, however.

FYI - that picture uses the "Protestant" way of listing the 10 Commandments. The Catholic enumeration is different.

[Edited to add] Explanation - Comparing the Ten Commandments (learnreligions.com)

Also, this is the democratic version of the Ten Commandments.  The GOP deleted 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, and 10.

Given the proclivities of the OP, this is probably where this thread should have been since the get go.

@jamie — This poster is back 15 minutes and he is calling the shots?

My dear, I was never gone.

Besides, I think it is a plus to have a place to discuss disgraced former pope Ratzinger and the other enemies of Pope Francis.  I think I understand the decision to move this ever political thread to politics but I am not quite sure why it is being sunk.

So much going on in Washington, some may have missed this…

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250188/march-for-life-time-lapse-video

If only they gave a damn about the fetuses after they are born.

I suppose Mtierney wants to go back to the good old days - women so desperate to terminate pregnancies that they essentially mutilated themselves.  Women who could get oral contraceptives unless married.

I like watching Call the Midwife.  It shows how far we have come since 1960 or so.  Would be a shame to roll the clock back.

And I guess it would strain Mtierney's thought processes to understand just how desperate and alone many women are.  I suppose she thinks that the only people who have unplanned pregnancies are girls with fairly supportive parents.

A doctor who works with troubled youth in NYC told me some sad, shocking stories about the young women and girls he sometimes counsels.

tjohn said:

I suppose Mtierney wants to go back to the good old days - women so desperate to terminate pregnancies that they essentially mutilated themselves.  Women who could get oral contraceptives unless married.

I like watching Call the Midwife.  It shows how far we have come since 1960 or so.  Would be a shame to roll the clock back.

And I guess it would strain Mtierney's thought processes to understand just how desperate and alone many women are.  I suppose she thinks that the only people who have unplanned pregnancies are girls with fairly supportive parents.

A doctor who works with troubled youth in NYC told me some sad, shocking stories about the young women and girls he sometimes counsels.

Mtierney says a prayer every night thanking the three women who gave her their babies. The oldest will be 60 this year!

mtierney said:

@jamie — This poster is back 15 minutes and he is calling the shots?

no my dear…. Jamie called the shot. Stop your silly whining. 

mtierney said:

tjohn said:

I suppose Mtierney wants to go back to the good old days - women so desperate to terminate pregnancies that they essentially mutilated themselves.  Women who could get oral contraceptives unless married.

I like watching Call the Midwife.  It shows how far we have come since 1960 or so.  Would be a shame to roll the clock back.

And I guess it would strain Mtierney's thought processes to understand just how desperate and alone many women are.  I suppose she thinks that the only people who have unplanned pregnancies are girls with fairly supportive parents.

A doctor who works with troubled youth in NYC told me some sad, shocking stories about the young women and girls he sometimes counsels.

Mtierney says a prayer every night thanking the three women who gave her their babies. The oldest will be 60 this year!

If a woman wishes to carry her baby to term and then give up the child for adoption, that is great.  However, that should be the woman's choice, not the government's.

Gosh, now this thread will become more political, instead of purely religious . And the political junkies and trolls will be jumping in to previously virginal territory. At least there should be some form of notification in the unpolitical MOL section as to what has happened. Otherwise, some former contributors, who would never otherwise dare to enter this space might think that the thread had died and entered heaven, limbo, or wherever else would be it should properly land.   

Sorry, this isn't heaven...

I actually hadn't looked at this thread for the first five years or so of its existence because I thought it was actually about Catholic doctrine.  As someone who left the Church decades ago, that held no interest for me.  About a year or so ago, I found out it's actually not about religion at all, but about how religion is entangled in politics.  So it probably would have been more accurate to have been labeled "Politics" from the beginning.

Jasmo said:

Gosh, now this thread will become more political, instead of purely religious.  And the political junkies and trolls will be jumping in to previously virginal territory.  At least there should be some form of notification in the unpolitical MOL section as to what has happened.  Otherwise, some former contributors, who would never otherwise dare to enter this space might think that the thread had died and entered heaven, limbo, or wherever else would be it should properly land.

This thread was started on April 17, 2015.  Within a week the OP had made it political. From page 1, "Christians are thrown overboard by Obama".

Folks, my comment was actually a misguided attempt at irony and sarcasm. I will add hopefully clarifying emojis to it. 

Back in 2015, some 3200+ posts ago, I was an innocent waif who believed I had the right to open a discussion on Catholicism, expecting conversions both positive and negative, but surprised by the hatred, bias and threatening, personal attacks within a community which I had thought to be sophisticated and intelligent. 

What was intended to be a haven for religious conversations and opinions morphed into a hate speech platform for some to vent personal enmity.

I hadn’t anticipated that posters reading some Good News about their faith, and in keeping up with Christianity around the world, would bring to the surface the underbelly of haters  in Maplewood and South Orange that it did — albeit a minority here.

“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

Ah, didn't realize you were open to learning about other religions. Happy to tell you more about Catholicism if you're interested.

mtierney said:

Back in 2015, some 3200+ posts ago, I was an innocent waif who believed I had the right to open a discussion on Catholicism, expecting conversions both positive and negative, but surprised by the hatred, bias and threatening, personal attacks 

Let us pause here and have a moment of silence while we ponder the vast sufferings of the real victim.

mtierney said:

Back in 2015, some 3200+ posts ago, I was an innocent waif who believed I had the right to open a discussion on Catholicism, expecting conversions both positive and negative, but surprised by the hatred, bias and threatening, personal attacks within a community which I had thought to be sophisticated and intelligent. 

What was intended to be a haven for religious conversations and opinions morphed into a hate speech platform for some to vent personal enmity.

I hadn’t anticipated that posters reading some Good News about their faith, and in keeping up with Christianity around the world, would bring to the surface the underbelly of haters  in Maplewood and South Orange that it did — albeit a minority here.

“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

you ain't kidding. WAY too much tolerance of untruths, evil and chaos in this country. 

I find it truly sad when a Pope not only acts in this way (deceitfully, and questionably in the first first place so that he has to be deceitful) but later insists on maintaining the fiction until found out. And then, in effect, says ‘well yeah, what of it?? Transcription error’.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/former-pope-benedict-statement-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

Klinker said:

Besides, I think it is a plus to have a place to discuss disgraced former pope Ratzinger and the other enemies of Pope Francis.  I think I understand the decision to move this ever political thread to politics but I am not quite sure why it is being sunk.

Meanwhile, back in Texas, it’s complicated…

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/opinion/texas-synagogue-antisemitism.html

Well, his brother insists it’s not anti-Semitism but confusion and depression:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/brother-of-texas-synagogue-hostage-taker-says-religious-nuts-got-a-hold-of-him/ (Sorry about the ads)

I find it sad that apparently in SE Asia, this side of the story is emphasised:

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/texas-synagogue-proof-of-continual-boost-in-antisemitic-jihad-by-pakistan20220122153050/  (Again, sorry about the ads)

mtierney said:

Meanwhile, back in Texas, it’s complicated…

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/opinion/texas-synagogue-antisemitism.html

First this thread was about the Pope and Catholics, then expanded in the title to Christians generally. After 3200 posts, are you now widening it to consider Jewish issues in the news as well? 

apparently Stephens' beef is that authorities didn't jump to the conclusion of anti-semitism quickly enough.  Because if he read his own publication, he would have seen this headline last Thursday:

F.B.I. Director Calls Texas Synagogue Attack an Act of Antisemitism 

Christopher A. Wray said the hostage taker targeted the Jewish community, contrary to the agency’s initial statement.

holy cow the NYT has a full collection of idiot columnists.

If you follow MT over the years, you will notice her threads and postings reflects what’s being said by the talking heads in the conservative newsrooms. Just like trump’s disbelief in American Jews being mostly liberal Democrats. He, just like the other so called ‘Christian’s’, would love to have all the Jews under their conservative tent. They use the term ‘Judeo-Christian’ a lot to further their beliefs that the liberals are atheists and non Christian. So it really bothers them that a lot of American Jews can’t see their reasoning. 
So when she started this outside of the politics forum, she was being sneaky. I’m a recovering Catholic, and I know all too well the subliminal messages. There’s a high percentage of trump supporters who are anti semitic, just like his father was. He tries to hide his true feelings, because his daughter married a Jew, but it comes out from time to time. These so called conservative Christians would do anything to have a Candace Owens, Herschel Walker, Mark Levin, Richard Goldberg et al…in their corner. After all, Jewish people are very conservative right? And the can not figure out why they are not gravitating towards the Christian Right and their ‘conservatism’ …therein lies their frustration with the American Jew. 
this present pope is a liberal socialist….

Jaytee said:

...
this present pope is a liberal socialist….

The Pope confounds so many people because he doesn't fit into any of the "boxes" used for secular politics.

His "political" views are basically Catholic Social Teaching.

Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church (vatican.va)

With a lot of conservative "Christians", it's not so much a matter of being pro-Jewish as much as being anti-Muslim.

Klinker said:

With a lot of conservative "Christians", it's not so much a matter of being pro-Jewish as much as being anti-Muslim.

Christianity for American conservatives is little more than identity politics for white people. Any spiritual or religious content's been jettisoned, lest it trip them up in their quest for secular power.