Wow! An adult discussion has broken out about a political issue.

94% Hillary, 91% Bernie.  Too close to call.

Hillary is proposing a commitment to to prevent, effectively treat, and find a cure for Alzheimer's disease by 2025. 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/alzheimers-disease/

I positively think Hitch was right on target. 

https://youtu.be/qE8PG2mpo58

cramer said:

Hillary is proposing a commitment to to prevent, effectively treat, and find a cure for Alzheimer's disease by 2015. 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/alzheimers-disease/

It says 2025.

We can and should try on Alzheimer's. Good luck on that.

I remember hearing when AIDS was identified that we'll have a vaccine in 10 years.

Thanks, ridksi. 

ridski said:

cramer said:

Hillary is proposing a commitment to to prevent, effectively treat, and find a cure for Alzheimer's disease by 2015. 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/alzheimers-disease/

It says 2025.

This is like going to Mars.  The target date is always after the politician leaves office.

Klinker said:

ridski said:

cramer said:

Hillary is proposing a commitment to to prevent, effectively treat, and find a cure for Alzheimer's disease by 2015. 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/alzheimers-disease/

It says 2025.

This is like going to Mars.  The target date is always after the politician leaves office.

I don't think that it's the date that matters so much as a commitment to increase funding for the treatment of and research for a cure for Alzheimer's. I'm glad that the subject was brought up by one candidate and hope that it spurs more attention and action by whoever is nominated/elected. 

MacAfee the anti-virus guy? Isn't he kind of a whacko?

drummerboy said:

MacAfee the anti-virus guy? Isn't he kind of a whacko?

drummerboy said:

MacAfee the anti-virus guy? Isn't he kind of a whacko?

Crazier than a loon. It's a miracle he's even allowed in the country.

dave said:

I positively think Hitch was right on target. 

Thanks, Dave. This says it all so well.

Folks could also just, like, take a pass on the thread.

Whether you like Clinton or Sanders, doesn't the Supreme Court issue force you to vote for whichever one gets the nomination?

FC_ said:

Whether you like Clinton or Sanders, doesn't the Supreme Court issue force you to vote for whichever one gets the nomination?

+1.

dave said:

I positively think Hitch was right on target. 

I didn't know that Secretary Clinton was the object of attack by a scummy, warmongering bigot like Hitchens.

Doesn't make his comments about Ms. Clinton untrue.

I doubt that Senator Sanders would be thrilled with having people use Hitchens as an argument to support him.

Not sure about that.  They have at least two enemies in common.

http://www.thenation.com/article/a-debate-christopher-hitchens-would-surely-have-appreciated/

dave said:

Not sure about that.  They have at least two enemies in common.

http://www.thenation.com/article/a-debate-christopher-hitchens-would-surely-have-appreciated/

I read that before now.  It makes a point, but not a convincing one as to whether Senator Sanders would welcome Hitchens as a supporter.  Hitchens basically turned into Kissinger, with the hatred underlying his neocon support for the Iraq Invasion.

phenixrising said:

FC_ said:

Whether you like Clinton or Sanders, doesn't the Supreme Court issue force you to vote for whichever one gets the nomination?

+1.

+2

That is, if one thinks the Supreme Court is important and that it will make a difference whether the next appointees are by a Democratic President or a Republican President.

LOST said:

phenixrising said:

FC_ said:

Whether you like Clinton or Sanders, doesn't the Supreme Court issue force you to vote for whichever one gets the nomination?

+1.

+2

That is, if one thinks the Supreme Court is important and that it will make a difference whether the next appointees are by a Democratic President or a Republican President.

A vote against Trump or Cruz is also a vote against the next Scalia.

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librarylady said:

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I love it!

I don't understand where the meme came from that says Hillary feels she's "owed" the Presidency. It's now been repeated over and over again until people think it's true. I didn't watch the entire Hitch video, I haven't time at the moment, but I'm appalled by the way people are dissing her. It's very likely that she will be the next President. In fact it's extraordinarily likely that she will be the next President. And I say hooray to that. 

She's neither evil nor a liar. She's a politician. She's capable, smart, strong and I think will do a great job debating the GOP nominee (and don't be so glib to think that Bernie would do as well in a debate against Trumpie.) If you want a non-politician to be President, you have an obvious choice. In the meantime, she's the very best hope for a leader to fight for poliicies and positions that we liberal Democrats want for our country.

Money from banks for speaking? Yes. 

Emails on private sever? Yes.

A sense of entitlement and inevitability? I don't think so. I do think Bernie has made her a better candidate. If she did feel some sense of it being "owed" to her, she probably doesn't anymore, given the popular response Bernie has gotten for his views on income and other inequalities (which I admire and support).

She kicked the Bengazi Committee's ass. Maybe she'll kick Congress's ass, too. 

I suggest you Clinton bashers back off. Support Bernie, if that's your choice. He's awesome and his vision is moving people. But what happens when she runs and you've turned everyone against her? Or turned yourself against her? What really is your choice? Trump? Cruz? Ryan? Kasich? A warm and fuzzy third-party Green or Libertarian or Vegan candidate? 

You must support the Democratic candidate whole-hardheartedly. That candidate will likely be Hillary. You must vote for her if and when. I'll be phone banking, registering voters and getting out the vote for whomever the Democratic candidate is. Maybe you should, too.

So cheer for Bernie. But stop bashing HRC. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QX_n9LNynY

A little self-deprecating humor.

The "404 error" page on Hillary Clinton’s website ("Trying to get where you want to go? This page isn't it.") uses a picture of her multiple attempts to swipe her subway card.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/subway

The_Soulful_Mr_T said:

I don't understand where the meme came from that says Hillary feels she's "owed" the Presidency....

One of the things that I HATED about Al Gore in 2000 was the way the Party tried to deliver him the nomination as some sort of fait acompli.  HRC was the recipient of a similar sort of "inevitability" in both 2008 and 2016 as witnessed by the early machinations regarding super delegates in both campaigns.  To some extent, this isn't entirely HRC's fault since her she is simply playing a system that is designed to be played but her indignation in both campaigns at the idea that anyone would dare to challenge her rubs me raw in exactly the same way that the Gore campaign's dismissive attitude towards Bradley did 16 years ago.

Primaries should be exercises in raw democracy.  Those who exploit/benefit from those rules that make them less democratic shouldn't be surprised if those practices engender discontent from the People who think they get to choose the candidate.

Klinker said:

The_Soulful_Mr_T said:

I don't understand where the meme came from that says Hillary feels she's "owed" the Presidency....

One of the things that I HATED about Al Gore in 2000 was the way the Party tried to deliver him the nomination as some sort of fait acompli.  HRC was the recipient of a similar sort of "inevitability" in both 2008 and 2016 as witnessed by the early machinations regarding super delegates in both campaigns.  To some extent, this isn't entirely HRC's fault since her she is simply playing a system that is designed to be played but her indignation in both campaigns at the idea that anyone would dare to challenge her rubs me raw in exactly the same way that the Gore campaign's dismissive attitude towards Bradley did 16 years ago.

Primaries should be exercises in raw democracy.  Those who exploit/benefit from those rules that make them less democratic shouldn't be surprised if those practices engender discontent from the People who think they get to choose the candidate.

"but her indignation in both campaigns at the idea that anyone would dare to challenge her"

I think this is a fiction made up by Hillary haters. How has it manifest? Can you provide a link to a clip showing this? I'm certainly open to seeing it, if it exists, but This. Is. The. Meme. 

But even if it is so (and I'm open to you showing me) it makes absolutely no difference. My statement above (at 9:27am) still stands. She is the best candidate to be President. If /when she wins the nomination, she must be aggressively supported, given the heinous alternative. 

Said another way: Hillary bashing only helps the GOP.

The_Soulful_Mr_T said:

Klinker said:

The_Soulful_Mr_T said:

I don't understand where the meme came from that says Hillary feels she's "owed" the Presidency....

One of the things that I HATED about Al Gore in 2000 was the way the Party tried to deliver him the nomination as some sort of fait acompli.  HRC was the recipient of a similar sort of "inevitability" in both 2008 and 2016 as witnessed by the early machinations regarding super delegates in both campaigns.  To some extent, this isn't entirely HRC's fault since her she is simply playing a system that is designed to be played but her indignation in both campaigns at the idea that anyone would dare to challenge her rubs me raw in exactly the same way that the Gore campaign's dismissive attitude towards Bradley did 16 years ago.

Primaries should be exercises in raw democracy.  Those who exploit/benefit from those rules that make them less democratic shouldn't be surprised if those practices engender discontent from the People who think they get to choose the candidate.

"but her indignation in both campaigns at the idea that anyone would dare to challenge her"

I think this is a fiction made up by Hillary haters. How has it manifest? Can you provide a link to a clip showing this? I'm certainly open to seeing it, if it exists, but This. Is. The. Meme. 

But even if it is so (and I'm open to you showing me) it makes absolutely no difference. My statement above (at 9:27am) still stands. She is the best candidate to be President. If /when she wins the nomination, she must be aggressively supported, given the heinous alternative. 

Said another way: Hillary bashing only helps the GOP.

What do you think of her recent DeBlasio "joke?" Do you give her a pass? What does it say about her? 

Crickets.

springgreen2 said:

What do you think of her recent DeBlasio "joke?" Do you give her a pass? What does it say about her? 

Crickets.

Please take it elsewhere to one of your own threads.