What's the worst thing Trump has done so far?

Hmm, today's executive order, Trump's head counting plan, has the look of defiance. Bolstered by Barr, I think this one has the possibility to go down as one of his more arrogant moves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Joe_Arpaio

dave said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Joe_Arpaio

I think this is a subset of "subjugation of the rule of law". 

I think his judicial appointments are part of that plan.

There's a bunch of comments here that kind of circle around that one theme.

Morganna said:
Hmm, today's executive order, Trump's head counting plan, has the look of defiance. Bolstered by Barr, I think this one has the possibility to go down as one of his more arrogant moves.

 This is a major defeat for Trump. He does not get to add the question about citizenship to the census.

ml1 said:

drummerboy said:
Hey! He stole my thing!

recognizing that being an ******* is a defining characteristic of Donald Trump is like recognizing that wetness is a defining characteristic of water.

 no. my theory has far less to do with him being an ah himself then with the fact that he is empowering people who have never had a champion before.

mapso_dino said:
#truth

 Guess the picture was not taken at a "detention center" where children are expected to sleep on the floor, covered by aluminum foil with the lights on after not being able to wash or brush their teeth.

The worst thing Trump has done is the maltreatment of children. It is done to punish their parents. It is done because of the color of their skin and the area of the World from which they come. 

And it is done to satisfy the racist and sadistic portion of the population that supports him.

drummerboy said:

mapso_dino said:
#truth

 perfect, since babies have no clue what's going on and don't know any better.

 I think the right play here is:  I sleep like a baby...I wake up every half hour screaming

Its a tossup between instructing people to defy Congressional subpoenas, which is a clear incidence of Obstruction of Justice, or putting people in cages based upon their ethnicity, which is basically nazism.

For me the worst thing is the cruelty, most exemplified by the seizing of children and the conditions at the camps they are keeping them in.

Intellectually sure, SCOTUS, withdrawing from the Iran deal, etc, are all terrible, but emotionally it's always cruelty that really gets to me. Under Bush, for instance, invading Iraq had far more dire consequences and killed many more people, but it was the torture of prisoners at Gitmo that I found most appalling. Under Trump, I've been appalled to see how that openness to cruelty we saw under Bush has been elevated to a central theme under Trump. So much of what he does seems to be not merely incidentally cruel, but to have cruelty as its point.

I think the reason I have such a hard time with cruelty is that it destroys the possibility of believing someone is acting in good faith. I strongly disagree with libertarian political philosophy, for instance, but I can believe that a convinced libertarian is acting in good faith and that my differences with them stem from reasoning off different premises. Or, going back to Bush and Iraq, I can see how someone might in good faith have believed that was the right call, even though I strenuously disagreed.

With Trump, that's impossible. When we look at the border situation, for instance, what we see is not an administration that is struggling with a surge in traffic and too few resources, but rather an administration that at _best_ does not care, and at worst at appears to revel in the terror and harm they are causing.

PVW said:
For me the worst thing is the cruelty, most exemplified by the seizing of children and the conditions at the camps they are keeping them in.
Intellectually sure, SCOTUS, withdrawing from the Iran deal, etc, are all terrible, but emotionally it's always cruelty that really gets to me. Under Bush, for instance, invading Iraq had far more dire consequences and killed many more people, but it was the torture of prisoners at Gitmo that I found most appalling. Under Trump, I've been appalled to see how that openness to cruelty we saw under Bush has been elevated to a central theme under Trump. So much of what he does seems to be not merely incidentally cruel, but to have cruelty as its point.
I think the reason I have such a hard time with cruelty is that it destroys the possibility of believing someone is acting in good faith. I strongly disagree with libertarian political philosophy, for instance, but I can believe that a convinced libertarian is acting in good faith and that my differences with them stem from reasoning off different premises. Or, going back to Bush and Iraq, I can see how someone might in good faith have believed that was the right call, even though I strenuously disagreed.
With Trump, that's impossible. When we look at the border situation, for instance, what we see is not an administration that is struggling with a surge in traffic and too few resources, but rather an administration that at _best_ does not care, and at worst at appears to revel in the terror and harm they are causing.

 can't argue with that. I came across this today on the subject:

LOST said:
 This is a major defeat for Trump. He does not get to add the question about citizenship to the census.

 True but he managed to make the Rose Garden announcement sound as if he will be pouring over every record of each household with his new executive order. It gave me a "big brother is watching you" feeling. The "citizen " speech and the recent announcement of the deportation raids, had that authoritarian feel. And then Barr with the congratulations on your new executive order dear leader recitation made me feel that Trump will bend whatever rules are in his way. He has probably already scared many people off from filling out the census. It was awful to watch.

As best as I can remember:

George Bailey; "Well he had lost his job and was going through bad times. What were we to do.?"

Mr. Potter: "You should foreclose"

George: "But these people have children"

Mr. Potter: "They are not your children"

LOST said:
As best as I can remember:
George Bailey; "Well he had lost his job and was going through bad times. What were we to do.?"
Mr. Potter: "You should foreclose"
George: "But these people have children"
Mr. Potter: "They are not your children"

"Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade on Friday defended President Trump"zero tolerance" approach to migrants who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border, saying "these aren't our kids" being detained separately while their parents face prosecution.

"Like it or not, these are not our kids," he said. "Show them compassion, but it's not like he's doing this to the people of Idaho or Texas. These are people from another country."

https://thehill.com/latino/393616-fox-friends-host-on-separated-children-these-arent-our-kids

Morganna said:
 
"Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade on Friday defended President Trump"zero tolerance" approach to migrants who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border, saying "these aren't our kids" being detained separately while their parents face prosecution.
"Like it or not, these are not our kids," he said. "Show them compassion, but it's not like he's doing this to the people of Idaho or Texas. These are people from another country."
https://thehill.com/latino/393616-fox-friends-host-on-separated-children-these-arent-our-kids

 I'm from New Jersey. Kids from Idaho and Texas are not our kids.

People who think like Kilmeade are scum. 

LOST said:

People who think like Kilmeade are scum. 

 If they were good people they would not be Republicans.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/daily-mail-trump-iran-nuclear-deal-leaked-cables/index.html

Klinker said:

LOST said:

People who think like Kilmeade are scum. 

 If they were good people they would not be Republicans.

I am starting to see why tierney thinks we are the same person, because I too, for the life of me, cannot see how any decent human being still supports Trump. He probably qualifies for a mental disorder himself, but any sane person that still supports him or his party is morally very corrupted.

This thread will likely require continuous updating.

mrincredible said:
This thread will likely require continuous updating.

 We have at least 16 months to go.  We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. 

Red_Barchetta said:
 We have at least 16 months to go.  We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. 

I fear you are correct.

What will he do if he loses?

Sometimes the things he does backfire.

His latest has united Congressional Democrats.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/dems-deescalate-tensions-1422346

I was born in '49 and I have to say that I knew plenty of people in the North Jersey/NY area who held such views as DJT. Most immediate was resentment and the white flight from Newark, Tony Imperiale's vigilantes, etc. But my extended family in Brooklyn were mirrors of that experience as well.

I think the difference is that, in my immediate experience, such Neanderthals were working-class people who didn't have the means to be as giant a racist as DJT or have such a huge effect on POCs. 

Biggest DJT sins: #1 has to be kids in cages; #2, a new generation of minority kids inheriting the same views of whites that their parents justifiably held. So, increasing alienation of non-whites and immigrants would be my #2; third might well be the shattering of our international reputation for democracy and loss of unity with allies.

A little good news.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/trump-rep-ratcliffe-out-of-the-running-to-be-national-intelligence-director-1445150

And he continues:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/elijah-cummings-robbery-trump-tweet-1444887

Fun Fact:  The Wire.

Robert_Casotto said:
Fun Fact:  The Wire.

 Yes, that famous documentary.

He's created a new belief system, a sick religion, a cult:

It was the fifth rally for Steve and Tina Callahan, real estate agents from Springfield, Ohio.

“He is sacrificing his life to save America from a new world order,” Tina said.

What if he is not reelected?

“God is real, and He’s told many people that Trump is going to serve eight years,” said Tina, a born-again Christian. “And Pence is going to serve eight years. And Pence’s vice president is going to serve eight years.”

“You had to suffer for a long time,” Trump said around Minute 38, “until I came along.”

Trump, their savior sacrificing his life to end the suffering of the people.   

Fear and gloating in Cincinnati

drummerboy said:

Robert_Casotto said:
Fun Fact:  The Wire.

 Yes, that famous documentary.

Just like "The Sopranos". 

At what point will we say ENOUGH!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/medical-deferred-action-deportations

STANV said:

At what point will we say ENOUGH!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/medical-deferred-action-deportations

On Election Day next year hopefully