Trump to Immediately Deport 2 to 3 Million Undocumented Immigrants

wapo.com: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/donald-trump-plans-to-immediately-deport-2-to-3-million-undocumented-immigrants/

He will build a wall and I will teach my grandchildren how to tear it down

I'll be interested to see where the money is coming from for all of this.

Especially since he has also promised to freeze federal hiring in his first 100 days.

did you read the "having a criminal record" part?

Apparently the only crime in many cases was their immigration violation.

Sincere question: If an undocumented immigrant is arrested for a crime and presumably their undocumented status becomes known by the police or prosecutors, is immigration notified?

Reduce the federal workforce through attrition and replace them with contractors at twice the price.

RobB said:

Reduce the federal workforce through attrition and replace them with contractors at twice the price.

Yep. I'm one of those contractors who replaced a federal worker. I cost approximately twice as much as an equivalent fed, although most of it goes to the contracting company, not me. As a taxpayer, I marvel at the vast amounts of money being wasted in the name of reducing government.

sac said:

Apparently the only crime in many cases was their immigration violation.

If that were the intention wouldn't the anticipated number of deportations be closer to 30 million?

alias said:

sac said:

Apparently the only crime in many cases was their immigration violation.

If that were the intention wouldn't the anticipated number of deportations be closer to 30 million?

My apologies. I did a few minutes of google research after posting this. It seems the number of immigrants in the U.S. without legal status is around 11 million, not 30 million.

The distinction to 2-3 million remains.

I say we start with the 50,000 undocumented Irish immigrants in the U.S. About 30,000 in NYC. Or do we only care about Spanish-speaking immigrants?

The other day, I started trying to think of ways to help undocumented immigrants. A restart of the Underground Railroad? Crazy to live in a time where one has to figure out ways to stay under the government's radar to help people. What will happen to citizens if they are found to be harboring undocumented immigrants?

I surely hope immigration violation is not the sole basis for such deportation.

One of my pet peaves is where laws for enhanced penalties are intended to apply where violation of the first law occurs in combination with a violation of a second law but these laws are later bastardized. An example of such bastardization, is where the condition predicate (AKA violation of first law) is no longer required for the enhanced penalty (thus, enhanced penalty applies when ONLY the second law is violated).

sac said:

Apparently the only crime in many cases was their immigration violation.

I read that Obama deported 2-3 million illegal immigrants. Just sayin....

gerryl said:

I read that Obama deported 2-3 million illegal immigrants. Just sayin....

Yep. 2.5 million as of 2015.

Best Trump "idea" off the night: if Roe is repealed, women seeking abortions will have to move to another state.

Yup, POTUS DJT.

Yet Obama was portrayed as soft on immigration when, in fact, he was not.

gerryl said:

I read that Obama deported 2-3 million illegal immigrants. Just sayin....

According to what Trump is saying now (and who knows what he'll be saying tomorrow), his plan is to deport undocumented immigrants with criminal records, particularly those involved in the drug trade, while securing the border, which he now says only particular sections of will need a real wall. As for other undocumented immigrants, he says he will look into them after the rest is done, and he added that these are mostly 'terrific' people.

Of course he simply has to moderate the stances he took during the campaign, which were completely ridiculous. If he started out with the above policy, he probably would not have gotten noticed. But he did get himself noticed, and now he is predictably moderating. I can't say the way he has conducted himself has been admirable, but it sounds like the worst predicted outcomes will probably not come to pass.

Same for Obamacare, where the plan is still to repeal/replace a lot of the program, but where focus on keeping folks covered and maintaining popular provisions like staying on parental plans through age 26 is very much increased.

I'm not saying anyone on MOL should be happy about the direction things have taken, but it does seem like a time to calm down some of the most severe post-election hyperventilating .

ridski said:

gerryl said:

I read that Obama deported 2-3 million illegal immigrants. Just sayin....

Yep. 2.5 million as of 2015.

Is this in the year 2015 or over the eight year span of his presidency? Obama seemed to have made the effort to make things better for immigrants in 2015-2016 from the articles I've read.

My concern is that the outgoing president ended his 8 year presidency deporting the same number of undocumented immigrants that the incoming president will start with in the first month of his presidency.

ice said:

According to what Trump is saying now (and who knows what he'll be saying tomorrow), his plan is to deport undocumented immigrants with criminal records, particularly those involved in the drug trade, while securing the border, which he now says only particular sections of will need a real wall. As for other undocumented immigrants, he says he will look into them after the rest is done, and he added that these are mostly 'terrific' people.

Of course he simply has to moderate the stances he took during the campaign, which were completely ridiculous. If he started out with the above policy, he probably would not have gotten noticed. But he did get himself noticed, and now he is predictably moderating. I can't say the way he has conducted himself has been admirable, but it sounds like the worst predicted outcomes will probably not come to pass.

Same for Obamacare, where the plan is still to repeal/replace a lot of the program, but where focus on keeping folks covered and maintaining popular provisions like staying on parental plans through age 26 is very much increased.

I'm not saying anyone on MOL should be happy about the direction things have taken, but it does seem like a time to calm down some of the most severe post-election hyperventilating .

He walked back almost every ridiculous thing he said before the election. He has always spoken out of both sides of his mouth. It was always a matter of of which course he would pursue and why I wouldn't vote for him.

So far he seems headed on the right course. Whether or not he stays there - who knows?

+1 to your last paragraph.

Add "Lock her up" to the list. DJT thinks they're fine people, those Clintons.

Surely his base is already becoming disillusioned. I didn't think their anti immigration thing was about immigrant criminality (apart from the crime of being here illegally) but simply about them being here, supposedly taking our jobs, and accelerating the unwhitening of America.

Stephen Bannon will make sure there is enough red meat to keep the base attached.

CompassRose said:

ridski said:

gerryl said:

I read that Obama deported 2-3 million illegal immigrants. Just sayin....

Yep. 2.5 million as of 2015.

Is this in the year 2015 or over the eight year span of his presidency? Obama seemed to have made the effort to make things better for immigrants in 2015-2016 from the articles I've read.

My concern is that the outgoing president ended his 8 year presidency deporting the same number of undocumented immigrants that the incoming president will start with in the first month of his presidency.

From 2009 to 2015.

From 2009 to 2012, Obama's administration deported 1.6 million immigrants. Between 2001 and 2008, the Bush administration deported 2 million immigrants. So Obama almost managed to deport as many in his first term as Bush did in both of his. Deportation is a process that takes time. They need places to go to, there are appeals, there's tons of red tape. You can't just call someone a Guatemalan and put them on a plane.

So no, Trump may start the process of deporting 2-3 million immigrants in his first month, but it will take far longer to actually happen.

author said:

He will build a wall and I will teach my grandchildren how to tear it down

Only brown and black immigrants need worry (those with criminal records). The program will be tested on them first and if plausible, trickle down to Europeans here illegally.

kibbegirl said:

author said:

He will build a wall and I will teach my grandchildren how to tear it down

Copyright needed here - should be a rallying cry from all folks. Where are the tee shirts, author!

I saw some at the Kalandia camp

Obama deported 2.5 million with nary a peep. it's called the law.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661