Trump's sacrifices
if it did in fact reveal that his "worth" is far less than he has led everyone to believe it would lessen his "I am the best, #1 etc" persona which might actually matter to some of his supporters. The "I alone can fix it" mantra would be hard to back up if in fact his financials are a mess.
cupoftea said:
if it did in fact reveal that his "worth" is far less than he has led everyone to believe it would lessen his "I am the best, #1 etc" persona which might actually matter to some of his supporters. The "I alone can fix it" mantra would be hard to back up if in fact his financials are a mess.
For a normal person, possible Russian ties would be the issue with releasing the tax returns. For Trump, I think cupoftea is probably right. Well, half right. I don't think Trump cares about whether or not he can "back up" his "I alone" mantra. But he absolutely could not stand people knowing he's not as rich as he says he is. I think the most shocking thing about Trump isn't his authoritarianism, his bigotry, his cruelty, or his ignorance. It's his profound shallowness. Easiest person in the world to bait -- just suggest that he's not the biggest and first and watch him throw a tantrum.
He could not serve in Vietnam because of bone spurs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
translation- the excuse his family doctor wrote to keep him out of serving.
on another note, I don't think I've seen a picture of Donald that young. The earliest I recall were of him and Ivana from the 80s. He was actually a fairly handsome young man. Not once before this picture did I see that in him.
conandrob240 said:
no way. Charitable contributions are a cornerstone of maxing out deductions
Con--It's already been shown that he gives nothing or next to nothing to charity. Less than $10k over seven years. The Washington Post did a large investigative report on this recently. Besides, for a very rich person with multiple holdings, charity is a very inefficient way to max out deductions.
Check out WaPo's reporting about his lack of charitable giving.
conandrob240 said:
no way. Charitable contributions are a cornerstone of maxing out deductions
Given how many donation promises he has broken and lied about, I'd bet he doesn't make donations.
I believe his lack of charitable giving is one of the reasons many of his fellow billionaires shun him.
nohero said:
Robert_Casotto said:
Shouldn't Khan be directing his ire at war criminal George Bush and Hillary Clinton for authorizing the Iraq War?
No. But thanks for contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread.
The Khan family's comments were not about the war, they are about Trump's pandering to religious bigotry. Trump fans are trying responses such as yours as a misdirection. Maybe you and the rest of them are engaging in "damage control" so as to fool some Trump voters into thinking too much about how distasteful their candidate's actions have been regarding this.
A left-wing Gold Star mother disagrees with you:
http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2016/08/cindy-sheehans-statement-on-trump-vs.html
nohero said:
Robert_Casotto said:
Shouldn't Khan be directing his ire at war criminal George Bush and Hillary Clinton for authorizing the Iraq War?
No. But thanks for contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread.
The Khan family's comments were not about the war, they are about Trump's pandering to religious bigotry. Trump fans are trying responses such as yours as a misdirection. Maybe you and the rest of them are engaging in "damage control" so as to fool some Trump voters into thinking too much about how distasteful their candidate's actions have been regarding this.
I agree.
The Khan family perspective as Muslims is that Trump considers them like all Muslims to be trash, to not be allowed to immigrate, to deny them the American dream.
The Khan's have the courage to speak out. Doing it during a political convention prime coverage time ensured their voices were well heard. Had they done it on a blog or some newspaper opinion most of us would not have heard.
And it did take courage. You can be sure the right wing will make this about the Khan's, being not real Americans, being Muslims who are trying to destroy our country, being Sharia law enablers, etc.
And don't think that has not been said. It has been said on hate radio. You can be sure a lot of hate will be directed towards them.
BG9 said:
nohero said:
Robert_Casotto said:
Shouldn't Khan be directing his ire at war criminal George Bush and Hillary Clinton for authorizing the Iraq War?
No. But thanks for contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread.
The Khan family's comments were not about the war, they are about Trump's pandering to religious bigotry. Trump fans are trying responses such as yours as a misdirection. Maybe you and the rest of them are engaging in "damage control" so as to fool some Trump voters into thinking too much about how distasteful their candidate's actions have been regarding this.
I agree.
The Khan family perspective as Muslims is that Trump considers them like all Muslims to be trash, to not be allowed to immigrate, to deny them the American dream.
The Khan's have the courage to speak out. Doing it during a political convention prime coverage time ensured their voices were well heard. Had they done it on a blog or some newspaper opinion most of us would not have heard.
And it did take courage. You can be sure the right wing will make this about the Khan's, being not real Americans, being Muslims who are trying to destroy our country, being Sharia law enablers, etc.
And don't think that has not been said. It has been said on hate radio. You can be sure a lot of hate will be directed towards them.
Three days that shook America -- the Khan family, with help from Trump, changed the image and status of Muslims in our country. In this way, Humayun Khan's death was not in vain.
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
Robert_Casotto said:
Shouldn't Khan be directing his ire at war criminal George Bush and Hillary Clinton for authorizing the Iraq War?
No. But thanks for contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread.
The Khan family's comments were not about the war, they are about Trump's pandering to religious bigotry. Trump fans are trying responses such as yours as a misdirection. Maybe you and the rest of them are engaging in "damage control" so as to fool some Trump voters into thinking too much about how distasteful their candidate's actions have been regarding this.
A left-wing Gold Star mother disagrees with you:
http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2016/08/cindy-sheehans-statement-on-trump-vs.html
I read that piece. Ms. Sheehan is writing with regard to her own lived experience, and I understand that. More important, I disagree with Mr. Surovell's claim that Ms. Sheehan "disagrees" with my point, that the Khan family's comments were about Donald Trump's embrace and use of religious bigotry. That's why Mr. Khan held up a copy of the Constitution, and that's why Trump's response (using a stereotype about Islam as his response to being accused of using Muslim stereotypes) was so offensive. To that extent, Ms. Sheehan doesn't disagree with me at all.
Again, as she is speaking from her experience, Ms. Sheehan views Mr. and Mrs. Khan as being "used". That's her interpretation, and I don't see it that way (I don't know if Mr. Surovell sees it that way, but if he wants to he can indicate whether that's his view). The Khans are courageous people who came to the United States in pursuit of opportunity for themselves and their children. Mrs. Khan is an educator, and Mr. Khan holds an advanced law degree from Harvard. I think they knew that they wanted, for themselves, to make the statement they did - and they knew that their personal, family tragedy made them powerful spokespeople for other Muslims, who would be subject to even more vicious attacks than they have undergone.
The issue really isn't how to interpret Ms. Sheehan's statement. The issue is whether the Khans made a legitimate point, about how Trump and his enablers answer the question "Who is American?" The "side trip" that Trump supporters want to take, to change the subject, is not appropriate.
Of course at Fox News the issue is that the media is biased. Or at leas this is what some people are posting. Let's forget about the reaction of each candidate to being criticized by the parents of each of the fallen soldiers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/02/khan-and-smith-how-media-are-treating-two-grieving-parents.html
pmartinezv said:
Of course at Fox News the issue is that the media is biased. Or at leas this is what some people are posting. Let's forget about the reaction of each candidate to being criticized by the parents of each of the fallen soldiers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/02/khan-and-smith-how-media-are-treating-two-grieving-parents.html
This is absolutely ridiculous on the part of Howard Kurtz and Fox.
1. Each network gave the same coverage to both speeches. MSNBC, CNN and C-SPAN showed them both. Broadcast networks weren't on the air for either. Fox showed neither. Yes, Fox, who is complaining about the lack of attention on Ms. Smith's speech, didn't show it.
Instead they ran a phone interview between Trump and Bill O'Reilly. Fox had by far the largest cable RNC ratings, so they are more responsible than anyone else for people missing Ms. Smith's speech. During Mr. Khan's speech, Fox showed: tape from a press conference the day before, a Benghazi-themed anti-Hillary ad and a commercial for the new "Ben-Hur" movie.
2. Ms. Smith's grief is heartbreaking, but she has been on dozens of (mostly Fox) newscasts in the four years since her son was killed. News is the plural of "new" and her allegations aren't. On the other hand, very few people had heard the Khans' story.
3. Every decent person grieves both fallen young men (Mr. Smith was in the Foreign Service as an IT contractor). However, no one is trying to ban members of Mr. Smith's religion, whatever it may be, from entering the country or maintaining the same civil rights as others.
4. Most obvious of all, this remains a story because Trump continues to make it a story. He keeps bringing it up in offensive ways. If he had said what any high school poli sci student knows is correct, it would have been forgotten by Saturday. It's not a partisan thing, both Hillary with Ms. Smith and W with Cindy Sheehan never came close to acting like Trump.
Tom_Reingold said:
Ignoring Advice, Donald Trump Presses Attack on Khan Family and G.O.P. Leaders
That's because Trump's base, the people who voted Trump the nomination agree with him. It wasn't the GOP leadership that got him the nomination.
The following video shows it:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/air-force-mother-confronts-mike-pence-over-donald-trump-s-n621391
conandrob240 said:
no way. Charitable contributions are a cornerstone of maxing out deductions
Those kinds of deductions get limited at higher income levels, so not really.
nohero said:
paulsurovell said:
nohero said:
Robert_Casotto said:
Shouldn't Khan be directing his ire at war criminal George Bush and Hillary Clinton for authorizing the Iraq War?
No. But thanks for contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread.
The Khan family's comments were not about the war, they are about Trump's pandering to religious bigotry. Trump fans are trying responses such as yours as a misdirection. Maybe you and the rest of them are engaging in "damage control" so as to fool some Trump voters into thinking too much about how distasteful their candidate's actions have been regarding this.
A left-wing Gold Star mother disagrees with you:
http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2016/08/cindy-sheehans-statement-on-trump-vs.html
I read that piece. Ms. Sheehan is writing with regard to her own lived experience, and I understand that. More important, I disagree with Mr. Surovell's claim that Ms. Sheehan "disagrees" with my point, that the Khan family's comments were about Donald Trump's embrace and use of religious bigotry. That's why Mr. Khan held up a copy of the Constitution, and that's why Trump's response (using a stereotype about Islam as his response to being accused of using Muslim stereotypes) was so offensive. To that extent, Ms. Sheehan doesn't disagree with me at all.
Again, as she is speaking from her experience, Ms. Sheehan views Mr. and Mrs. Khan as being "used". That's her interpretation, and I don't see it that way (I don't know if Mr. Surovell sees it that way, but if he wants to he can indicate whether that's his view). The Khans are courageous people who came to the United States in pursuit of opportunity for themselves and their children. Mrs. Khan is an educator, and Mr. Khan holds an advanced law degree from Harvard. I think they knew that they wanted, for themselves, to make the statement they did - and they knew that their personal, family tragedy made them powerful spokespeople for other Muslims, who would be subject to even more vicious attacks than they have undergone.
The issue really isn't how to interpret Ms. Sheehan's statement. The issue is whether the Khans made a legitimate point, about how Trump and his enablers answer the question "Who is American?" The "side trip" that Trump supporters want to take, to change the subject, is not appropriate.
You said that @Robert_Casatto's suggestion that Khan should have been directing his ire at the person who caused his son's death was "contributing the right-wing attempted misdirection to this thread."
Gold Star mother Cindy Sheen is left-wing as are others (including me) who have made the same point as Cindy. So your statement that invoking the Iraq war as the cause of the death of Humayun Khan is not a "right-wing" misdirection. It is an anti-war statement, regardless of the source.
Whether or not the other statements were made on this specific "thread" is not germane to the issue.
Trump's words were actually true, just in the wrong context.
In any case, the point Mr. Khan was making is that Muslims are real Americans, too. Mr. Khan would not have spoken out if Trump hadn't been campaigning on Islamophobia.
My prior response addressed the point in Mr. Surovell's post. If he re-reads it, I think he'll understand that.
It's disgusting how right-wingers are now advancing the notion that Mr. Khan is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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ah, now that would be interesting.