Trump's response to the Covid-19
cramer said:
PVW said:
cramer said:
Here's a press release issued by Regeneron on Sept. 29. It's lengthy. My understanding is that Regeneron's scientists are well-regarded.
It definitely looks promising, and my point was less to discount that and more that we can't really draw any conclusions from Trump's having received it because we know so few details about Trump's actual condition, from basic stuff to "when do we think he was infected" to even "how is he currently."
Understood.
Trump is saying that he got infected at the event in the White House to honor Gold Star families. This event was on Sunday, Sept. 27, the day after the Rose Garden event.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/08/trump-gold-star-families-coronavirus-427875
Maybe, but geez, his comments there feel like an extended riff on "suckers and losers"
Wow. This is really good. pic.twitter.com/soVHgqXXMo
— John Aravosis (@aravosis) October 7, 2020
Eric Trump in N.C. yesterday:
Thank you Monroe North Carolina!!! We love you!! pic.twitter.com/KnFW2i7WV9
— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) October 9, 2020
"RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina tallied its third-highest one-day number of new coronavirus cases on Thursday, as the spread of the virus starts to inch up again after several weeks of stability.
The 2,428 new cases trail only the totals reported on two days in mid-July, when viral spread in the state was at its peak. The rolling average of new cases has risen to 1,784 a day over the last week, the highest average since Aug. 3."
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/new-coronavirus-cases-spike-in-nc/19326665/
cramer said:
jamie said:
Anyone else watching Utopia?
Regeneron asks FDA for emergency authorization of its Covid-19 antibody therapy given to Trump last week
this is pretty much the plot line where I am in the show - a company pushing their "miracle cure" over getting final FDA approval. Episode 4 Minute 35
"NEW YORK (Reuters) - Top U.S. infectious diseases expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Thursday that President Donald Trump's health was likely helped by an experimental therapy made by Regeneron Inc REGN.O in which he received antibodies to fight the disease.
“There is a reasonably good chance that in fact it made him much better,” Fauci said during an interview on MSNBC."
Dr. Scott Gottlieb was just on CNBC and said that people shouldn't attack the antibody drugs for political reasons. He thinks Emergency Use Authorization should be granted. The antibody drugs are not like vaccines - they come from humans. He said that Lilly has done more work than Regeneron, but he's convinced that both are good drugs. He's been looking at the drugs and the research for many months.
He said that it is possible that Regeneron might be able to be used as a prophylactic and may be a bridge to a vaccine - it would have to be taken about once a month
He said that since Trump took the combination of Regeneron and Remdesivir, they probably are synergistic and should probably be used as the standard treatment for hospitalized patients. Remdesivir is already being given to patients.
My @WSJ Op Ed: Antibody drugs against Covid are showing good results that should support EUA. We can't let politics influence our judgment on the merits of early access; we also need to continue to study these drugs and expand their limited manufacturing. https://t.co/zJad6mUYL3
— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) October 8, 2020
Rudy has been taking hydroxychloroquine to help fend off Covid:
Meanwhile - Chris Christie has been in the hospital for 5 days:
I hope Trump can prescribe and deliver the medication he needs to feel 20 years younger!
jamie said:
Rudy has been taking hydroxychloroquine to help fend off Covid:
Meanwhile - Chris Christie has been in the hospital for 5 days:
I hope Trump can prescribe and deliver the medication he needs to feel 20 years younger!
I am happy to let you know that this morning I was released from Morristown Medical Center. I want to thank the extraordinary doctors & nurses who cared for me for the last week. Thanks to my family & friends for their prayers. I will have more to say about all of this next week.
— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 10, 2020
this is worth watching. And keep an eye on the red states. Hard to miss them.
This is a really crazy visualization pic.twitter.com/km36MFCXxx
— Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz) October 12, 2020
That is amazing... just providing the link here to the original source for his credit, additional info, and more graphs and options.
Herd Immunity seems to be Trump's next strategy. We were guessing it would be for awhile, but with Trump shouting out at his rallies to Open your states - it's looking more and more likely. Here's an opinion piece about it:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/opinions/white-house-herd-immunity-reckless-idea-sachs/index.html
Has anyone come across a case for herd immunity?
jamie said:
Herd Immunity seems to be Trump's next strategy. We were guessing it would be for awhile, but with Trump shouting out at his rallies to Open your states - it's looking more and more likely. Here's an opinion piece about it:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/opinions/white-house-herd-immunity-reckless-idea-sachs/index.html
Has anyone come across a case for herd immunity?
https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/science
Whether you think it's a convincing case, well, I suppose weighing in is why this is a discussion board.
There’s also this, I’m not sure if it was reported in the US:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54518286 WHO calls covid-19 ‘herd immunity’ theory immoral
There are links to related BBC articles looking at the UK’s early ‘herd immunity’ response and how that has affected their current situation.
oh yeah forgot about that one. Almost belongs in the politics section. Focused Protection isn't exactly herd immunity - and not really what Trump has a plan for:
jamie said:
The excess mortality lie:
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/29/excess-mortality-data-shows-trump-lying-covid-deadly-europe/
you mean Trump lied?
ml1 said:
jamie said:
The excess mortality lie:
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/29/excess-mortality-data-shows-trump-lying-covid-deadly-europe/
you mean Trump lied?
Yeah - didn't expect that! Here's the latest tally - as of this post: 20,055
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database
The funny/sad part is that he can never stick to one wrong number - he even needs to inflate the lies until the number makes an impact.
99 thrown out ballots quickly turned into thousands.
The Administration's actual position:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/25/white-house-chief-of-staff-controlpandemic-432236
He also said Americans, including the president, should “certainly” follow CDC guidelines, but when it comes to wearing masks at rallies, he said, it’s not mandated because “we live in a free society.”
So, do they allow people to smoke at rallies?
Do they "mandate" that people wear clothes?
Alex Gibney's- Totally Under Control is streaming on Hulu now. Great documentary about the US Covid response from the beginning.
It's also pretty depressing seeing how much this administration has failed in many different aspects.
They didn't fail so much as they just decided not to do anything.
White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has just made one of the most revealing comments to emerge from Trump’s inner circle about the president’s historic mishandling of the coronavirus crisis. On a Sunday political talk show, Meadows admitted that the federal government was not focusing on trying to control the pandemic.
“We’re not going to control the pandemic,” he told Jake Tapper on CNN’s State of the Union. “We are going to control the fact that we get a vaccine, therapeutics and other mitigation.” Tapper pressed Meadows to explain why the administration was not going to control Covid-19, given the massive surge that is pummeling the Midwest and mountain states. He replied: “Because it is a contagious virus.”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html
From Jared:
There were three phases. There’s the panic phase, the pain phase and then the comeback phase. I do believe that last night symbolized kind of the beginning of the comeback phase. That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work. Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors. They’ve kind of – we have, like, a negotiated settlement.
Another quote from Jared from that same interview:
The most dangerous people around the president are over-confident idiots. Right?
Right Jared.
mrincredible said:
Right Jared.
are ALL of these clowns completely devoid of self-awareness?
Internal documents obtained by NPR show the federal government collects crucial coronavirus-related hospital data across the country that could be used to help communities prevent outbreaks — but the government is keeping the data hidden. https://t.co/nUtV7OoSmo
— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) October 30, 2020
700 deaths have been linked to Trump super spreader rallies:
This is a cult folks - not a presidential campaign. The question is - how do we deprogram the radical members when it's hopefully over.
Trump's "expert" gives an interview to a RT and then says he didn't know they were a registered foreign agent. he is no bright light.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/01/scott-atlas-apologizes-interview-kremlin-433795
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Understood.
Trump is saying that he got infected at the event in the White House to honor Gold Star families. This event was on Sunday, Sept. 27, the day after the Rose Garden event.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/08/trump-gold-star-families-coronavirus-427875
eta - Yeah, he's trying to shift attention away from the Rose Garden event, where so many others were infected. The fact that Coast Guard Admiral Charles Ray was infected at the Gold Star event and the 14 members of the Chief of Staff had to be quarantined makes the Gold Star event convenient for Trump. Admiral Ray probably got it from Trump.