Russia's Filtration Camps
The atrocities are going to eventually be exposed. It’s the children who are being taken away from their parents to be “re-educated” that’s probably the most difficult to accept. Russia is just an evil place. Ask the Afghan people… ask the Chechen people…ask anyone who has been around Russian military people.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Now that Ukraine has retaken some territory, let's talk about Ukrainian Filtration Camps. This came up on a different thread and it seemed to receive a collective eyeball roll.
But, it is as I described. Except there are not "camps" there is only execution.
nan said:
Now that Ukraine has retaken some territory, let's talk about Ukrainian Filtration Camps. This came up on a different thread and it seemed to receive a collective eyeball roll.
But, it is as I described. Except there are not "camps" there is only execution.
More on Mark Sleboda, the jackhole who made that video.
One wonders why nan posts from these obvious putin propagandists. It's really not that hard to research these guys. At least it was only 2 minutes. And the guy has the awesome Z emblem pin - I completely expect paul and nan to wear the same in public to express their solidarity.
It's an amazing whatabout when that fact is we may never know for awhile what is actually happening in Russia - and nan doesn't seem to care.
jamie said:
One wonders why nan posts from these obvious putin propagandists. It's really not that hard to research these guys. At least it was only 2 minutes. And the guy has the awesome Z emblem pin - I completely expect paul and nan to wear the same in public to express their solidarity.
Mark has been a huge pro-putin guy -here he is in 2014 in regards to the shooting down of MH17
https://www.stopfake.org/en/rt-covers-the-shooting-down-of-mh17/
jamie said:
One wonders why nan posts from these obvious putin propagandists. It's really not that hard to research these guys. At least it was only 2 minutes. And the guy has the awesome Z emblem pin - I completely expect paul and nan to wear the same in public to express their solidarity.
It's an amazing whatabout when that fact is we may never know for awhile what is actually happening in Russia - and nan doesn't seem to care.
I've been listening to/reading Mark Sleboda for years, long before this war, and he's an honest actor and good reporter. He teaches in Moscow. He's an American, originally from Pennsylvania. He married a woman from Crimea, and now has relatives all over the Donbass.
Of course you smear him because that's what you do when you can't argue.
And I like his Z pin too. His flowered shirts not so much.
jamie said:
Mark has been a huge pro-putin guy -here he is in 2014 in regards to the shooting down of MH17
https://www.stopfake.org/en/rt-covers-the-shooting-down-of-mh17/
Ha! You cite Stopfake which is TOTAL propagandai--just to smear someone. HA! You don't have a leg to stand on.
cramer said:
jamie said:
One wonders why nan posts from these obvious putin propagandists. It's really not that hard to research these guys. At least it was only 2 minutes. And the guy has the awesome Z emblem pin - I completely expect paul and nan to wear the same in public to express their solidarity.
Read my reasons above. It's easy to find smears for anyone associated with Russia.
I'm from Pennsylvania and I don't wear a Z pin. I doubt if anybody in Pa. wears a Z pin.
cramer said:
I'm from Pennsylvania and I don't wear a Z pin. I doubt if anybody in Pa. wears a Z pin.
Are you doubting he's from Pennsylvania? I think it was Wilkes-Barre, which could warp you for life. Anyway, I like him and think he does good analysis.
Here is another person, who I don't know, discussing the same on twitter.
https://twitter.com/julia_kanin/status/1568818264117059584
I want to make a short thread following Russia's retreat from the territories it had under its control for the past few weeks. I want you to read very carefully so you can understand the implications of these events and what it means for the civilian Ukrainians living there.
I want to make a short
So you have zero reporting on Russia’s filtration camps? It’s hard to know anything that’s happening there. Really sad.
jamie said:
So you have zero reporting on Russia’s filtration camps? It’s hard to know anything that’s happening there. Really sad.
I'm not even sure they exist.
nan said:
I'm not even sure they exist.
lol - I could have guessed that answer. What’s your favorite Russia based news source?
nan said:
nohero said:
nan said:
jamie said:
So you have zero reporting on Russia’s filtration camps? It’s hard to know anything that’s happening there. Really sad.
I'm not even sure they exist.
Human Rights Watch report -
Still not sure they exist.
Yet you're so sure about so many other things based on less. Amazing.
Steve said:
Yet you're so sure about so many other things based on less. Amazing.
Like what?
nan said:
nohero said:
nan said:
jamie said:
So you have zero reporting on Russia’s filtration camps? It’s hard to know anything that’s happening there. Really sad.
I'm not even sure they exist.
Human Rights Watch report -
Still not sure they exist.
It's like science, Ms. Nan - it's true whether or not you believe it.
nohero said:
It's like science, Ms. Nan - it's true whether or not you believe it.
Like WMDs in Iraq and incubator babies thrown to the floor. Science! You are blinding yourself.
nan said:
nohero said:
It's like science, Ms. Nan - it's true whether or not you believe it.
Like WMDs in Iraq and incubator babies thrown to the floor. Science! You are blinding yourself.
No, Ms. Nan. You can't dismiss documentation from established sources with a silly analogy like that. You sound like the MAGA "Trump was robbed" people, who use similar "logic".
And you just demonstrated projection. The Putin government lies about Ukraine in order to justify the invasion, are the 2022 equivalent of the "WMDs in Iraq" claims used as justification for Bush's invasion.
nohero said:
No, Ms. Nan. You can't dismiss documentation from established sources with a silly analogy like that. You sound like the MAGA "Trump was robbed" people, who use similar "logic".
And you just demonstrated projection. The Putin government lies about Ukraine in order to justify the invasion, are the 2022 equivalent of the "WMDs in Iraq" claims used as justification for Bush's invasion.
Trump said his campaign was being spied on and lots of people, and probably you, said he was crazy. Then we found out about the FISA warrant for Carter Paige. Much later.
You can’t just smear people who disagree with you as acting like Trump. It’s intellectually lazy and a cliche.
I don’t know if there are Russian filtration camps. I’m skeptical. We shall see. I do think Ukrainians who associated with Russians in anyway. are being tortured and killed in the territory retaken by Ukraine. Do you believe that?
nan said:
Trump said his campaign was being spied on and lots of people, and probably you, said he was crazy. Then we found out about the FISA warrant for Carter Paige. Much later.
you think that's what Trump was talking about?
jesus and OMG, that's just embarrassing. But you gave us a big clue into your thinking.
nan said:
nohero said:
It's like science, Ms. Nan - it's true whether or not you believe it.
Like WMDs in Iraq and incubator babies thrown to the floor. Science! You are blinding yourself.
nan said:
You can’t just smear people who disagree with you as acting like Trump. It’s intellectually lazy and a cliche.
You don't even read your own posts, apparently.
drummerboy said:
nan said:
Trump said his campaign was being spied on and lots of people, and probably you, said he was crazy. Then we found out about the FISA warrant for Carter Paige. Much later.
you think that's what Trump was talking about?
jesus and OMG, that's just embarrassing. But you gave us a big clue into your thinking.
That was one example. Also, the whole Russiagate thing was created and pushed by the Democrats and helped along by the FBI. Trump did so many negative things to the Russians but Democrats were blind to anything but his being a "Russian agent.
nan said:
drummerboy said:
nan said:
Trump said his campaign was being spied on and lots of people, and probably you, said he was crazy. Then we found out about the FISA warrant for Carter Paige. Much later.
you think that's what Trump was talking about?
jesus and OMG, that's just embarrassing. But you gave us a big clue into your thinking.
That was one example. Also, the whole Russiagate thing was created and pushed by the Democrats and helped along by the FBI. Trump did so many negative things to the Russians but Democrats were blind to anything but his being a "Russian agent.
blah
blah
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That was one example? (it of course is not) Is there another example of his campaign being "spied on"?
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Just wondering if anyone has any good sources with what's happening in them - the process - who's there. Who's able to inspect them - if there have been inspections - are there any reports?
Here's the wiki on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians
A few articles:
https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/08/08/russian-filtration-camps-black-holes-of-human-rights-abuses-where-ukrainians-face-torture-and-loyalty-tests/
https://abcnews.go.com/International/ukrainians-forcibly-deported-russian-filtration-camps/story?id=86898080
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/13/i-ve-never-been-so-scared
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/13/they-re-trying-to-assimilate-us
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/russian-propaganda-shown-on-zombie-tv-trucks-in-mariupol.html