Its Obama's fault we have Trump

Danger results when the "sentiment of the crowd" is manipulated by those in power or those with the potential to take power.

An undergraduate is freer to transfer to another school than an employee of a large company is to quit and find another job.

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

The undergraduates are far more dangerous because it is always the sentiment of the mob that destroys society.

The concern about PC is a red herring. Telling people that it's not okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc. is not going to destroy society. Eventually you need to get over your anger at Lincoln.

The red herring is what you claim is the speech being shut down. But that is another tactic of the left.

bramzzoinks said:

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

The undergraduates are far more dangerous because it is always the sentiment of the mob that destroys society.

The concern about PC is a red herring. Telling people that it's not okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc. is not going to destroy society. Eventually you need to get over your anger at Lincoln.

The red herring is what you claim is the speech being shut down. 

Huh?

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

The undergraduates are far more dangerous because it is always the sentiment of the mob that destroys society.

The concern about PC is a red herring. Telling people that it's not okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc. is not going to destroy society. Eventually you need to get over your anger at Lincoln.

The red herring is what you claim is the speech being shut down. 

Huh?

If you run it through the ConTalk Decoder, he's saying that there's no such thing as racism or xenophobia, therefore any denouncing of it is a "red herring".

Nice try but incorrect. You should give up putting words in my mouth but I am sure you will not.

So put words in your own mouth because I have no idea what you are saying.

bramzzoinks said:

Nice try but incorrect. You should give up putting words in my mouth but I am sure you will not.

Don't blame me, you wrote the deliberately cryptic phrase.

You can explain what "what you claim is the speech being shut down" means.

No one is telling people that it's okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc., though people have ever right to say say things even if you or I think it is not ok. Your reaction should be to use your speech to counter what they say, not to shut them down from saying it.

bramzzoinks said:

No one is telling people that it's okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc., though people have ever right to say say things even if you or I think it is not ok. Your reaction should be to use your speech to counter what they say, not to shut them down from saying it.

 

So you oppose speech that says, "It's not cool to say that." And you oppose the evolution of cultural norms--or do you even recognize that such things exist?

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

bramzzoinks said:

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

Oh, ok. So your rants have been exclusively about college campuses, not the insufferable left in general.

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

Oh, ok. So your rants have been exclusively about college campuses, not the insufferable left in general.

The insufferable "left" really only live on college campuses. Everyone the US real world is centrist to right wing.

Meanwhile, with respect to speech which some say doesn't actually exist (that is, it's a "red herring" to claim it does) -

On Wednesday, in several venues, He, Trump accused "some people"—he never said who they were, nor will he, ever—of calling for a moment of silence for Micah Johnson, the mass murderer of police in Dallas, Texas. We have had some experience with this. Back when he was still considered something of a sideshow attraction, He, Trump said that he's "seen" Muslim-Americans in New Jersey celebrating as the World Trade Center towers burned on September 11, 2001. He never said who they were, nor will he, ever. But at least there was a level of detail to the lie. There is in fact a state called New Jersey. There are in fact Muslim-Americans living there. And the attacks of 9/11 did in fact happen.

Emboldened because this and other whopping untruths did not immediately sink his campaign, He, Trump now has taken his truthless palaver to another level entirely. This is what he said on the stump in Indiana on Wednesday, when he was taking auditions for the men who care so little for their country that they are desperate to be on a ticket with a serial arsonist.

"The other night you had 11 cities potentially in a blow-up stage. Marches all over the United States—and tough marches. Anger. Hatred. Hatred! Started by a maniac! And some people ask for a moment of silence for him. For the killer!"

To be blunt, this didn't happen.

There is no evidence from any news source that this happened. By anyone. Anywhere. Nobody can find anyone who "called for a moment of silence" for the mass killer of policemen. Nobody has counted "11 cities" that are potentially on the verge of a racial holy war. RaHoWa, cry the white-supremacists. And now the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has joined the chorus. That's where his rhetoric has led him, and far too many people have followed along.

Yeah, but it was Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg who "crossed the line." Jesus, these people.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46695/donald-trump-candidacy-american-democracy/

ridski said:

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

Oh, ok. So your rants have been exclusively about college campuses, not the insufferable left in general.

The insufferable "left" really only live on college campuses. Everyone the US real world is centrist to right wing.

True.

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

Oh, ok. So your rants have been exclusively about college campuses, not the insufferable left in general.

No.  Campuses are only one example and was brought up in a post. There are many many others as well. 

bramzzoinks said:

dave23 said:

bramzzoinks said:

Quite the opposite. It is fine to say "its not cool". It is not fine to say we will throw you off campus if you say it. 

Oh, ok. So your rants have been exclusively about college campuses, not the insufferable left in general.

No.  Campuses are only one example and was brought up in a post. There are many many others as well. 

Of course.  If you're generalizing or simply making stuff up, why stop with campuses?