Its Obama's fault we have Trump
Please, Donald Trump made Donald Trump - just ask him.
And the Republicans are so fractured with crazy-ass tea-partiers, socially liberal/fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, "I've always voted Republican" republicans, etc. that they imploded and like some freakishly horrific bastardized Phoenix, from the ashes rose The Donald. The Republicans have only themselves to blame for this blathering incoherent egomaniacal nominee.
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
You actually think that someone would threaten to punch you over a political disagreement? In Maplewood? Come on. They wouldn't want to get blood on their Maplewoodstock t-shirts. Plus they'd have to put down their chickens and their artisinal beer.
No. The Republican party made Trump. He's fitted in the suit they made for him.
They worked their way up to this. Finally, Trump is saying what has been hinted at over the years.
They may be somewhat fractured with different goals but they are united in their hate of liberals, Democrats, gays, etc. United in a nominee who they are now falling behind on as their new leader.
Some senators and maybe congressperson publicly disdain Trump. When looked at we find they are the ones worried about reelection, worried about a Clinton coattail effect. I suspect if they were not up for reelection they too would fall behind their new leader.
They haven't imploded.
Zoinks has a point that Trump says what a lot of the right has been thinking.
kriss said:
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
You actually think that someone would threaten to punch you over a political disagreement? In Maplewood? Come on. They wouldn't want to get blood on their Maplewoodstock t-shirts. Plus they'd have to put down their chickens and their artisinal beer.
Well, I would advise against any mention of the Post Office project.
I would add that there are two factors that have gone unmentioned, that have driven the rise of the Trump-monster.
First, the unequivocal racism that greeted Obama as President. Deny it if you like, but there is no other explanation for the way he has been treated by Congress, etc. I won't go too deep into it.
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Bring back labor unions, and grow careers - THAT will make America Greater Again.
Everything else, from ISIS to cops shooting and being shot, to Brexit, etc. are just symptoms.
The lack of good, well-paying jobs is the root cause of all the trouble, including the rise of Trump, a despicable. anti-American, racist, lying, crooked beast.
(If you haven't read or followed his work, Richard D. Wolff is a brilliant Marxist economist whose analytical thinking about the economy is eye-opening. His book, Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism, is a must-read for anyone concerned with the economy, the "American Dream," or the personal, political, electoral and social impact of underemployment.
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Jobs, of course, are the 800-lb gorilla nobody is talking about. How are we going to manage a post-jobs economy. All the politicians can do, at best, is talk about bringing back the past or retraining workers, but the jobs aren't there. The days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever.
Thought experiment -- think about going to Yankee Stadium or Citi Field for a game. During the 7th inning stretch when they "honor America" by singing "God Bless America," keep your hat on. Stay seated. Don't sing along. See what the reaction is.
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Jobs, of course, are the 800-lb gorilla nobody is talking about. How are we going to manage a post-jobs economy. All the politicians can do, at best, is talk about bringing back the past or retraining workers, but the jobs aren't there. The days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever.
I don't think you're dismissing the problem because of its difficulty. Yes, "the days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever," but, another solution must be found. I'm not sure what it is. Heavily tax all offshore vendors and jobs to discourage them? Make unions mandatory? Use unemployment insurance as a skills and education-training subsidy? Discourage the gig economy? Create a loan program that would allow for a unemployment benefits extension for up to two years that would have to be paid back with a small interest rate? Make it easier for individuals to freelance with small businesses?
I dunno. It's worrying.
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
I don't believe that someone has threatened to punch you in Maplewood because you supported Bush.
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Jobs, of course, are the 800-lb gorilla nobody is talking about. How are we going to manage a post-jobs economy. All the politicians can do, at best, is talk about bringing back the past or retraining workers, but the jobs aren't there. The days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever.
I don't think you're dismissing the problem because of its difficulty. Yes, "the days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever," but, another solution must be found. I'm not sure what it is. Heavily tax all offshore vendors and jobs to discourage them? Make unions mandatory? Use unemployment insurance as a skills and education-training subsidy? Discourage the gig economy? Create a loan program that would allow for a unemployment benefits extension for up to two years that would have to be paid back with a small interest rate? Make it easier for individuals to freelance with small businesses?
I dunno. It's worrying.
It is worrying. It is the new problem in the human experience.
The left is like Erdogan. They provoke an incorrect and unfortunate response but there arr real issues with their actions.
bramzzoinks said:
The left is like Erdogan. They provoke an incorrect and unfortunate response but there arr real issues with their actions.
Yes, we are pirates.
dave23 said:
bramzzoinks said:
The left is like Erdogan. They provoke an incorrect and unfortunate response but there arr real issues with their actions.
Yes, we are pirates.
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tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Jobs, of course, are the 800-lb gorilla nobody is talking about. How are we going to manage a post-jobs economy. All the politicians can do, at best, is talk about bringing back the past or retraining workers, but the jobs aren't there. The days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever.
I don't think you're dismissing the problem because of its difficulty. Yes, "the days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever," but, another solution must be found. I'm not sure what it is. Heavily tax all offshore vendors and jobs to discourage them? Make unions mandatory? Use unemployment insurance as a skills and education-training subsidy? Discourage the gig economy? Create a loan program that would allow for a unemployment benefits extension for up to two years that would have to be paid back with a small interest rate? Make it easier for individuals to freelance with small businesses?
I dunno. It's worrying.
It is worrying. It is the new problem in the human experience.
I think it's absolutely fundamental to our current situation. But who's talking about it? Not Trumpie and not HRC.
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
tjohn said:
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Second is jobs. Jobs. Yes, the unemployment rate as fallen under Obama but there are still millions GLOBALLY suffering from unemployment and, more important, underemployment. (Do not underestimate the latter in causing despair and discontent.) If there were well-paying jobs and careers available for the angry whites, the Black Lives Matter activists, the young and vulnerable to Muslim radicalization, the resentful gun owners, the artificial marijuana over-dosers and opiod addicts, among others, we'd have much, much less of the trouble, violence and death that we have today.
Jobs, of course, are the 800-lb gorilla nobody is talking about. How are we going to manage a post-jobs economy. All the politicians can do, at best, is talk about bringing back the past or retraining workers, but the jobs aren't there. The days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever.
I don't think you're dismissing the problem because of its difficulty. Yes, "the days of armies of workers working in mills and factories are gone forever," but, another solution must be found. I'm not sure what it is. Heavily tax all offshore vendors and jobs to discourage them? Make unions mandatory? Use unemployment insurance as a skills and education-training subsidy? Discourage the gig economy? Create a loan program that would allow for a unemployment benefits extension for up to two years that would have to be paid back with a small interest rate? Make it easier for individuals to freelance with small businesses?
I dunno. It's worrying.
It is worrying. It is the new problem in the human experience.
I think it's absolutely fundamental to our current situation. But who's talking about it? Not Trumpie and not HRC.
Yes, HRC
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-offers-economic-plan-focused-on-jobs.html?_r=0
kriss said:
Yes, HRC
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-offers-economic-plan-focused-on-jobs.html?_r=0
HRC's proposals are a finger in the dike. She isn't talking about the problem that machines can do more and more all of the time.
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bramzzoinks said:
The left is like Erdogan. They provoke an incorrect and unfortunate response but there arr real issues with their actions.
BCC said:
LOST said:
terp said:
But what happened? He let every torturer, every liar, every war criminal go. Not even an investigation.
He didn't prosecute anyone for the financial crisis. He basically continued with what Dubya did. I think one guy went away or something.
Do you see the contradiction? The reason he could not close Guantanamo, or prosecute "war criminals" or those responsible for the financial crisis is because of the limitations on Presidential power.
Not quite why he didn't prosecute. They didn't prosecute because after investigating, they didn't think they could win.
But that's my point. If Putin wanted to prosecute someone there would be no doubt that he would win.
Mr. Terp apparently thinks Obama should have prosecuted Bush or Cheney or the others who advocated invasion of Iraq. That would have been impossible for many reasons other than the probability of a jury finding "reasonable doubt".
Yes, HRC
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-offers-economic-plan-focused-on-jobs.html?_r=0
Read it. Thanks. Good stuff - but enough?
The_Soulful_Mr_T said:
Yes, HRC
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/05/us/politics/hillary-clinton-offers-economic-plan-focused-on-jobs.html?_r=0
Read it. Thanks. Good stuff - but enough?
She has more on her website on jobs becoming obsolete and the need to invest in technology and education for what tjohn mentioned above. Certainly would like to see more specifics, but it's not NOT on her radar.
Meanwhile Trump is just going to make everything great, because he's great, and blahblahblah.
dave23 said:
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
I don't believe that someone has threatened to punch you in Maplewood because you supported Bush.
True. No one has. Wouldn't be prudent.
A bunch of undergrads asking for trigger warnings is nothing at all comparable to members of the GW Bush Admin saying people need to "watch what they say" during the Iraq war.
There is no comparison between being called a racist (usually for saying things that are you know, kind of racist) and the many ways that the right has employed regular folks to enforce patriotic, pro-military and pro-God sentiments.
dave23 said:
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
I don't believe that someone has threatened to punch you in Maplewood because you supported Bush.
ml1 said:
A bunch of undergrads asking for trigger warnings is nothing at all comparable to members of the GW Bush Admin saying people need to "watch what they say" during the Iraq war.
There is no comparison between being called a racist (usually for saying things that are you know, kind of racist) and the many ways that the right has employed regular folks to enforce patriotic, pro-military and pro-God sentiments.
dave23 said:
Robert_Casotto said:
ml1 said:
I travel a lot for business to places that aren't as "blue" as Maplewood. In the year or two after 9/11, I was careful never to be overheard criticizing George W. Bush or the war in Iraq. I was afraid I'd be in a heated argument at best or at worst, someone would threaten to punch me.
That's "political correctness."
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".
I don't believe that someone has threatened to punch you in Maplewood because you supported Bush.
The undergraduates are far more dangerous because it is always the sentiment of the mob that destroys society.
It is an old leftist tactic to whip up the street to cement its power. Sort of like the Cultural Revolution.
bramzzoinks said:
The undergraduates are far more dangerous because it is always the sentiment of the mob that destroys society.
The concern about PC is a red herring. Telling people that it's not okay to demean blacks, Jews, Mexicans, gays, etc. is not going to destroy society. Eventually you need to get over your anger at Lincoln.
Describes my interactions in Maplewood perfectly, only replace "Bush" reference with Obama and "war in Iraq" with "anything".