Hillary took $ from Koch bros!

BG9 said:

lord_pabulum said:

BG9 said:

Trump is also dangerous. We can hope that a lot of his rhetoric was posturing to the Republican primary voter base. But don't count on that. And if he does get elected and he meant what he said in this run then you can count on Trump disregarding whenever he feels the SC rules against him. He'll just say "we can't listen to these old unelected judges because they are endangering the country." If he does that, there is nothing that can be done short of impeachment.

The unelected judges that feel corporations are people and allow unlimited election spending that may be endangering the country.  Speaking of hypothetical scenarios, which candidate would be best in the White House if martians attacked?

Not as hypothetical as you think, a president acting as a strong unitary executive. A president can ignore a law congress passes or a SC ruling.

So the US constitution is a sham with it's three branches of "checks and balances".  Time for a benevolent dictator then.

Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta can help defend against Mars.    #booksales #tabloidgovernment https://youtu.be/y7XbJiymbM0

alias said:

Having the Plan slipped to her is speculation on my part.  Wall Street writing checks to her has been well documented.  

He is one of dozens of sources that are widely available.   (In this case refernecing both Hillary and Bill).

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

"In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs andUBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least .8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks."

I'm happy to provide context to my thoughts and review alternative views.

ETA end quote.

BG9 said:

alias said:
Of couse she has a banking sector reform plan.  Wall Street slipped it to her  as they signed the checks to her campaign.

And where did you pick up that little nugget? Did you see them slip it? Do you even know the details of her reform plan that you claim was slipped her by Wall St?

There's a difference my posts vs yours. I always try to cite.

So out of 729 speeches, 39 were from the financial sector.  Of which, Hillary made 8 to financial institutions. That doesn't seem out of proportion (of the original 729).   Plus, if she wanted to make more money, she wouldn't run for president.   

Spike_Jones said:

This is hysterical and sexist garbage. And why do you capitalize "people"? The People? That's populist garbage that could come out of the mouth of Trump. We live in a republic. 

Even your headline is garbage. The Republican Bush administration didn't protect our investments, did it? And they should have. 

springgreen2 said:

While accusing Bernie Sanders of not being a Democrat, Hillary might as well be a conservative Republican. Having started in late adolescence as a Goldwater girl, she seems to have come full circle. Laughing and cackling at the "incompetent" she is running against, she has no specific goals or plans other than to win the White House by attacking her enemies and strategizing and making as much money as possible. Cynical, sarcastic, mean, abrasive, demeaning and cutting, she reflects the values of the nouveau riche spoiled, bourgeois brats of the wealthy suburbs. She is the mirror image of the Trump, in the guise of a progressive, having captured the willing hearts of many older African Americans. She is so awkward at campaigning that her vain attempts at opportunism are transparent bungles, ( see jumping all over the imagined misspeaking of Sanders, in his tabloid interview.) Then, when he returns the compliment, by saying she is unqualified, she acts like she doesn't know where that came from. She has no moral compass. She and Donald, if they become the nominees, will both take our great nation into a Dark Age, from which we won't return in our lifetimes.

Agreed.  Protecting investments is not a Republican principle.  

springgreen2 said:

GL2 said:

I kinda agree with the thread title in that WS will probably support the candidate most likely to help keep the markets stable.

Maybe Bernie's folks can point to some quid pro quo that HRC has either already offered or is likely to offer. Short of that, why not take their money?

If she were not so coy about releasing the transcript of her $250,000 WS speech, he might be able to offer that to you.




The problem, simply put, is what must we non-WSers, non-banker, people, Americans, citizens, have to sacrifice in exchange for WS "stability."

She has a problem articulating just what it is she is fighting/working for. Sanders seems to setting his platform, and she just takes it and waters it down. "Well, instead of free tuition, maybe we can refinance tuition." Ummm, newsflash, you can already do that. 

She's got nothing new under the sun.

Why do you have so much venom regarding the financial sector.  If you took Financial Services and Pharma away, what strong industries would exist in I our area?  Would you like everyone to work at Starbucks?  

bramzzoinks said:

The great recession occurred because the financial system came close to collapse.  So someone who pledges to keep the system stable would be great. Unless you somehow think the current situation in Venezuela is great. 

In unusually accurate post from Bramzzoinks  

GL2 said:

Works out well, I guess - you campaign on this giant un-thought-out "break 'em up" (banks, Wall Schtreet) platform and claim you take none of their money.

I'm gonna bet HRC takes no Heritage Action or Focus on the Family money; I'm guessing she could boast about taking no Koch money.

Hillary takes money from the Koch Brothers.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-top-dems-take-contributions-from-lobbyists-at-firms-hired-by-koch-industries/

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omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

Woot said:

omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

There is a deafening silence about the smarmy politics going on. I mean, how can you stand it? Or are the millenials just used to it?

springgreen2 said:

Woot said:

omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

There is a deafening silence about the smarmy politics going on.

Trust me, there is no silence on MOL.   

springgreen2 said:

Woot said:

omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

There is a deafening silence about the smarmy politics going on. I mean, how can you stand it? Or are the millenials just used to it?

Pretty much any normal human being who has lived in the last 5,000 years or so is used to it.

tjohn said:

springgreen2 said:

Woot said:

omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

There is a deafening silence about the smarmy politics going on. I mean, how can you stand it? Or are the millenials just used to it?

Pretty much any normal human being who has lived in the last 5,000 years or so is used to it.

Hmmmm. I guess that makes it ok?

springgreen2 said:

LOST said:

springreen2,

If Hillary is the Democratic nominee will you:

1. Vote for a Third Party

2. Stay home

3. Write in Bernie or someone else

4. Hold your nose and vote for Hillary




Bernie said that Hillary on her worse day is better than the Republicans. I agree with that. Do you?

@Lost, in all honesty, I am studying this, for the reasons listed here. I wouldn't be so involved in all this if I could answer this question easily. As with my heart, I don't give my vote lightly. From my early twenties to my mid-sixties, I've done phone-banking, door-to-door knocking, organizing, poll monitoring, planning (as far north as Berlin, NH...brrrr! in 1979, as far west as Madison WI)) for such people as John Lindsey, Ted Kennedy, Barack Obama (Easton PA) and plenty of marching, including civil rights in the sixties in DC, anti-war in the seventies, anti-nukes in NYC in the eighties, and many more. I do it because I am in love with my country. My grandparents came here as kids, with nothing, and built lives for their children and grandchildren. I am amazed at how much strength and wisdom Americans have when you wait patiently. I have always voted in the Presidential races.

So since you asked this question with respect, I respectfully answer...I don't know. Bernie articulates all my thoughts, feelings, dreams and hopes. So it is really possible it will be Bernie or nobody.

Sad. Please don’t call yourself a “progressive”, not when you’re going to help elect Cruz or Trump by not voting. SMH! 

Most Democratics that I know, no matter WHO the nominee is, will SUPPORT either Hillary or Bernie. Same as I'm reading through these threads. This election could possibly determine who is seated on the Supreme court. Advance made through the years, like voters rights, civil rights, healthcare, et al, could  be endanger. I for one,  DO NOT want to see the clock turn backed in time for all who fought during the 60's 70's and till now, for ALL rights. 

So go ahead and stay home IF Bernie is not the nominee. All that talk above ("marching, including civil rights in the sixties in DC, anti-war in the seventies, anti-nukes in NYC in the eighties, and many more.") is all for MOOT! 

springgreen2 said:

tjohn said:

springgreen2 said:

Woot said:

omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

There is a deafening silence about the smarmy politics going on. I mean, how can you stand it? Or are the millenials just used to it?

Pretty much any normal human being who has lived in the last 5,000 years or so is used to it.

Hmmmm. I guess that makes it ok?

It is what it is.  You want change - start a viable third party. That is more likely to yield success than hoping for a change in human behavior.

phenixrising said:

springgreen2 said:

LOST said:

springreen2,

If Hillary is the Democratic nominee will you:

1. Vote for a Third Party

2. Stay home

3. Write in Bernie or someone else

4. Hold your nose and vote for Hillary




Bernie said that Hillary on her worse day is better than the Republicans. I agree with that. Do you?

@Lost, in all honesty, I am studying this, for the reasons listed here. I wouldn't be so involved in all this if I could answer this question easily. As with my heart, I don't give my vote lightly. From my early twenties to my mid-sixties, I've done phone-banking, door-to-door knocking, organizing, poll monitoring, planning (as far north as Berlin, NH...brrrr! in 1979, as far west as Madison WI)) for such people as John Lindsey, Ted Kennedy, Barack Obama (Easton PA) and plenty of marching, including civil rights in the sixties in DC, anti-war in the seventies, anti-nukes in NYC in the eighties, and many more. I do it because I am in love with my country. My grandparents came here as kids, with nothing, and built lives for their children and grandchildren. I am amazed at how much strength and wisdom Americans have when you wait patiently. I have always voted in the Presidential races.

So since you asked this question with respect, I respectfully answer...I don't know. Bernie articulates all my thoughts, feelings, dreams and hopes. So it is really possible it will be Bernie or nobody.

Sad. Please don’t call yourself a “progressive”, not when you’re going to help elect Cruz or Trump by not voting. SMH! 

Most Democratics that I know, no matter WHO the nominee is, will SUPPORT either Hillary or Bernie. Same as I'm reading through these threads. This election could possibly determine who is seated on the Supreme court. Advance made through the years, like voters rights, civil rights, healthcare, et al, could  be endanger. I for one,  DO NOT want to see the clock turn backed in time for all who fought during the 60's 70's and till now, for ALL rights. 


So go ahead and stay home IF Bernie is not the nominee. All that talk above ("marching, including civil rights in the sixties in DC, anti-war in the seventies, anti-nukes in NYC in the eighties, and many more.") is all for MOOT! 

    This is bullying, another thing I can't stand about shrillary or drumpf.

It's NOT bullying, it's the TRUTH! So don't even try to deflect this as bullying.

It's an attempt at bullying and it's shrill.

Shrill?  Get a mirror and face it.

phenixrising said:

Shrill?  Get a mirror and face it.

springgreen2 said:

Woot Apr 10, 2016 at 03:27pm
omg can you slow down on anti HRC and anti Trump threads?   Maybe no more than 2 new threads each week?  

Quote • Report

you:

1. Vote for a Third Party

2. Stay home

3. Write in Bernie or someone else

4. Hold your nose and vote for Hillary




Bernie said that Hillary on her worse day is better than the Republicans. I agree with that. Do you?

@Lost, in all honesty, I am studying this, for the reasons listed here. I wouldn't be so involved in all this if I could answer this question easily. As with my heart, I don't give my vote lightly. From my early twenties to my mid-sixties, I've done phone-banking, door-to-door knocking, organizing, poll monitoring, planning (as far north as Berlin, NH...brrrr! in 1979, as far west as Madison WI)) for such people as John Lindsey, Ted Kennedy, Barack Obama (Easton PA) and plenty of marching, including civil rights in the sixties in DC, anti-war in the seventies, anti-nukes in NYC in the eighties, and many more. I do it because I am in love with my country. My grandparents came here as kids, with nothing, and built lives for their children and grandchildren. I am amazed at how much strength and wisdom Americans have when you wait patiently. I have always voted in the Presidential races.

So since you asked this question with respect, I respectfully answer...I don't know. Bernie articulates all my thoughts, feelings, dreams and hopes. So it is really possible it will be Bernie or nobody.

Sad. Please don’t call yourself a “progressive”, not when you’re going to help elect Cruz or Trump by not voting. SMH! 

Most Democratics that I know, no matter WHO the nominee is, will SUPPORT either Hillary or Bernie. Same as I'm reading through these threads. This election could possibly determine who is et al, could  be endanger. I  .

another thing I can't stand about shrillary or drumpf.

I can only surmise that you think you are helping your candidate with all of the mudslinging, name-calling, and demagoguery. 

Trust me - you are not.

Get a clue: Hillary is not inevitable.  So misquoting someone is the latest tool in the pro-Hillary toolshed?  Pathetic. I said woot and p'rising are shrill.  You must be worried about your girl. The more you shrill for her, the more everyone around you is turned off. It's just sour grapes. Watch SNL and see how silly Hillary looks.

Folks, rather than waste so much time trying to have a "discussion" on these dozens of threads:

Now who's name calling?

You are just showing how many on MOL are in the Hillary camp!  Except Dave.

Some of us are supporting Bernie but are NOT happy about all the Hillary bashing!