Hillary's America...

BCC said:

Cristabel said:

AJC you are extremely patronizing.  I'll try and use small words for you. Mrs. Clinton asked Congress for funds. She was turned down. Benghazi was investigated many times. Nothing untoward was discovered. Done.

Emails are more problematic as was her vote for the Iraq war.  Trump is dangerous, delusional, and bigoted. Vote for him if you choose.  Just admit you hold his beliefs  or denounce them.  I'm done.

There were plenty of problems but funds were not one of them.

Exactly. I posted this and for some reason it didn't publish. But yes, the reasons for not having the security Amb. Stevens asked for are varied and complicated, but funding isn't one of them.

Well, one thing is for sure after reading this thread -- I have lost all respect for AJC and based on his responses, it is best just to ignore him.  

Most people consider spin for fact and that's the way it is.  Anyone who can't recognize spin is blinkered. 

mikescott said:

Well, one thing is for sure after reading this thread -- I have lost all respect for AJC and based on his responses, it is best just to ignore him.  

That's exactly right. 

ajc I guess it is somewhat understandable to stand behind your party no matter the nominee.   That said, much respect to the MANY dyed-in-the-wool republicans who simply cannot condone this as their representative and who have taken a stand that they likely never imagined they would.  

However, when you not only vote the line but then decide to JUSTIFY the rightness of Donald Trump, a sexist, racist, unqualified blowhard with the temperament of a 7 year old throwing a tantrum when he doesnt make the little league team, then you leave yourself validly open for the judgement that you, like Trump, are all of those things.   You don't have to validate Trump to vote your party line   But in trying to do so, suddenly I see you differently   And I don't want to.

in this election, it's really not understandable at all, at least not by me,  that there are millions and millions of people in our country who, when faced with this choice, choose Trump. It's unfathomable that party affiliation can trump (sorry) the most simplest of common sense.

This election will be studied for years and years and years.

And people who vote Trump will have to answer for their decision, in this world or the next.

ajc - I love your pancakes and your community service.  Your politics ... not so much!  

I dislike Hillary and Trump. The Clintons are largely responsible for mass incarceration and under Obama our police have been further militarized. 

Trump is horrible (he plays to the racist white working class).

I am voting Jill Stein.

I really think Trump is in cahoots with Clinton. He is working to implode the Republican party and get her elected (He is a Democrat that donated tons of money to the Clintons and supported gay marriage way before Hillary).

These are some great interviews about why Hillary isn't so great for Black people...and they would really only vote for her to "stop Trump" or third party. Also highly recommend reading "The New Jim Crow". I learned that Bill Clinton spent more building prisons than on public housing while he was in office.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/28/michael_eric_dyson_vs_eddie_glaude

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/29/keeanga_yamahtta_taylor_vs_janaye_ingram

You're ridiculous.

carrielogo said:

I dislike Hillary and Trump. The Clintons are largely responsible for mass incarceration and under Obama our police have been further militarized. 

Trump is horrible (he plays to the racist white working class).

I am voting Jill Stein.

I really think Trump is in cahoots with Clinton. He is working to implode the Republican party and get her elected (He is a Democrat that donated tons of money to the Clintons and supported gay marriage way before Hillary).

These are some great interviews about why Hillary isn't so great for Black people...and they would really only vote for her to "stop Trump" or third party. Also highly recommend reading "The New Jim Crow". I learned that Bill Clinton spent more building prisons than on public housing while he was in office.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/28/michael_eric_dyson_vs_eddie_glaude


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/29/keeanga_yamahtta_taylor_vs_janaye_ingram

I fully understand your decision to not vote for Bill Clinton (and Barack Obama) this year.

ajc said:
...it's a must see for blacks, (AKA African Americans);who have been screwed so badly for so long, they don't know what to believe anymore.

What?

You have to wonder if the OP sees/understands the irony. While he parrots the ol racist chestnut that the coloreds don't have the mental acuity to vote in their own self interest, he also spotlights the generations old miscalculation poor and middle class white folks have been making since the 19th century. Stated plainly, that mistake is to believe that their skin color is the sole key to success- that sharing pigmentation with rich white men is the same as being a rich white man and if they can only hold out for a little longer... everything will be alright and they too will get to be the big boss one day. So, they dutifully vote to enrich their 'betters' by protecting them from the demands for citizenship from non whites- all while their own personal standing disintegrates around them.

This election is no different and misinformed voters like the OP see a savior in a man who would have absolutely nothing to do with them in real life. They see a fearless hero of the common man, who actually has little use for the working man as anything other than a pawn in an ongoing shell game. Yet, they worship him because he promises that one day soon they will be 'returned' to their former 'greatness'- dominion over Blacks and Browns and women and foreigners and anyone else not blessed with white skin and the proper ideals. The truth is that men who dream like the OP dreams have always been misused by moneyed, power brokers and they always will. For hundreds of years they have voted and acted to deny full citizenship to men and women who live two doors down from them and who share a social station or live across the tracks in a house just as dilapidated and in need of attention as their own. They've voted to uphold and protect the sanctity of their 'whiteness' while their jobs vanished and their unions were dismantled by other white men protecting their version of whiteness. 

If anyone is confused or doesn't 'know what to believe anymore' it is the OP who thinks that Black people who have lived on the front line of American apartheid for four hundred years need his assistance in understanding the political landscape. The OP doubles down on the ridiculousness of his proposition by suggesting that we take cues from a misguided brown man afflicted with a tragic self-loathing who also yearns for the same 'whiteness' he does.  Good luck to you both.

flimbro said:

ajc said:
...it's a must see for blacks, (AKA African Americans);who have been screwed so badly for so long, they don't know what to believe anymore.

What?

You have to wonder if the OP sees/understands the irony. While he parrots the ol racist chestnut that the coloreds don't have the mental acuity to vote in their own self interest, he also spotlights the generations old miscalculation poor and middle class white folks have been making since the 19th century. Stated plainly, that mistake is to believe that their skin color is the sole key to success- that sharing pigmentation with rich white men is the same as being a rich white man and if they can only hold out for a little longer... everything will be alright and they too will get to be the big boss one day. So, they dutifully vote to enrich their 'betters' by protecting them from the demands for citizenship from non whites- all while their own personal standing disintegrates around them.

This election is no different and misinformed voters like the OP see a savior in a man who would have absolutely nothing to do with them in real life. They see a fearless hero of the common man, who actually has little use for the working man as anything other than a pawn in an ongoing shell game. Yet, they worship him because he promises that one day soon they will be 'returned' to their former 'greatness'- dominion over Blacks and Browns and women and foreigners and anyone else not blessed with white skin and the proper ideals. The truth is that men who dream like the OP dreams have always been misused by moneyed, power brokers and they always will. For hundreds of years they have voted and acted to deny full citizenship to men and women who live two doors down from them and who share a social station or live across the tracks in a house just as dilapidated and in need of attention as their own. They've voted to uphold and protect the sanctity of their 'whiteness' while their jobs vanished and their unions were dismantled by other white men protecting their version of whiteness. 

If anyone is confused or doesn't 'know what to believe anymore' it is the OP who thinks that Black people who have lived on the front line of American apartheid for four hundred years need his assistance in understanding the political landscape. The OP doubles down on the ridiculousness of his proposition by suggesting that we take cues from a misguided brown man afflicted with a tragic self-loathing who also yearns for the same 'whiteness' he does.  Good luck to you both.

Indeed, and brings to mind this quote:

"If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll even empty his pockets for you."- LBJ