Deafening you-know-what about the "Debate"
emmie said:
I like Dr. Carson, would like to know more of his views.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/ben-carson-2016-controversial-quotes-20150504
Hahaha said:
I'm calling bs on the argument that people are frustrated with immigration. This is a "trumped up" issue that been fomented by the GOP. People aren't fridtrated when they can buy cheap domestic food. People aren't frustrated when affordable homes are built by day-labor.
Sadly I have to disagree with this. Republican Californians and Arizonans of a certain age resent illegal immigrants deeply. They feel they're driving up taxes, increasing traffic, contributing to crowding and generally ruining the states they once knew. All the fault of the illegals and the Dems.
I'm sure it's the same in Texas and New Mexico, although I have only spoken to those from CA and AZ.
RobB said:
You don't. We should go back to party bosses hand-picking a candidate. I'm not being sarcastic.
Oh like the Koch brothers?
townteacher said:
RobB said:Oh like the Koch brothers?
You don't. We should go back to party bosses hand-picking a candidate. I'm not being sarcastic.
Sort of. Total departure from what we've got now, I know. It would take some time to adjust.
emmie said:
I like Dr. Carson, would like to know more of his views.
"I am unabashedly and entirely pro-life. Human life begins at conception and innocent life must be protected."
"The United States of America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. We can and should be proud of that fact. It served us well for almost 200 years. However, we need to reverse the recent trend of secular progressives using activist, federal judges to drive faith out of our society. ....
The First Amendment enshrines our freedom to practice whatever faith we choose from any government intrusion. Our Founding Fathers never meant for the First Amendment to be used to drive prayer out of the public square."
"It was no accident that our Founding Fathers enshrined the right to own
firearms as the 2nd element of the Bill of Rights, immediately after
establishing our free speech rights. I cannot and will not support any
efforts to weaken The 2nd Amendment."
"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition."
"a lot of people go into prison straight, and when they come out, they're gay".
"I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to
believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think,
and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just
appeared."
max_weisenfeld said:
emmie said:"I am unabashedly and entirely pro-life. Human life begins at conception and innocent life must be protected."
I like Dr. Carson, would like to know more of his views.
"The United States of America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. We can and should be proud of that fact. It served us well for almost 200 years. However, we need to reverse the recent trend of secular progressives using activist, federal judges to drive faith out of our society. ....
The First Amendment enshrines our freedom to practice whatever faith we choose from any government intrusion. Our Founding Fathers never meant for the First Amendment to be used to drive prayer out of the public square."
"It was no accident that our Founding Fathers enshrined the right to own
firearms as the 2nd element of the Bill of Rights, immediately after
establishing our free speech rights. I cannot and will not support any
efforts to weaken The 2nd Amendment."
"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition."
"a lot of people go into prison straight, and when they come out, they're gay".
"I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to
believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think,
and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just
appeared."
Tip of the iceberg
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/05/04/3646780/ben-carson-announcement/
Here are some of the ideas Carson has pushed during his political career:
Anarchy could cancel the 2016 election
Carson warned in an interview in 2014
that if we “continue down this pathway that we are going down,”
referring to “this pathway where everything is framed in a political
sense and our representatives are not working for the people, they’re
working for their party,” then the anarchy could lead to the 2016 election being called off.
He claimed that the growing national debt, ISIS and the then-Democrat
controlled U.S. senate’s refusal to consider legislation passed by the
Republican House of Representatives all pointed toward the idea that the
country is headed toward anarchy.
If Carson’s prediction proved to be true, he said, Obama could declare martial law and the 2016 election would not occur.
Congress should be able to remove judges for voting for marriage equality
In an interview
with a conservative radio host earlier this year, Carson said it was
“unconstitutional” that judges have ruled in favor of equality despite
statewide ballot initiatives that resulted in different outcomes. Carson
said that when federal judges make rulings like this, “our Congress
actually has the right to reprimand or remove them.”
Needless to say, Carson’s assertion is incorrect. Congress cannot
simply remove a judge for ruling in a way the majority disagrees with.
Judges may only be removed for impeachable offenses, which the constitution defines as “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”
Being gay is a choice because prison turns people gay
Carson now infamously said in a CNN interview in March that homosexuality is a choice, citing people who “go into prison straight – and when they come out, they’re gay” as proof. He later attempted to apologize for the remarks in which he addressed those who were offended, but reinforced his belief that sexual orientation is chosen.
Carson has also called marriage equality a “Marxist plot,” described
marriage equality supporters as “enemies of America,” and compared
homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality, another statement that led him to similarly “apologize” for his “poorly chosen words.”
There’s no such thing as a war crime
Carson also said earlier this year that the U.S. should not hesitate to send troops to defeat the Islamic State and should not fear
prosecution for its actions. In the Fox News interview, he said he
would “not hesitate to put boots on the ground” and suggested that the
military should not be subject to any war crimes law.
“If you’re gonna have rules for war, you should just have a rule that says no war,” he said. “Other than that, we have to win.”
Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery
Back in 2013, when Carson was still gaining recognition in the Republican Party, he said in a speech that “Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”
“And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all
of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health
care,” he added. “It was about control.”
Carson has continued to speak out about Obama’s health care plan, saying this year that it’s “a bunch of crap” that politicians say they can’t unravel the legislation.
Obama is depressing the economy to keep people on welfare
After appearing on The View last year and saying that Americans have become dependent on welfare, Carson elaborated on Fox News. “Do you think that people who are on welfare want to be on welfare?” Fox’s Megyn Kelly asked him.
“I think some people have that as a way of life,” Carson responded,
later adding that “perhaps some of the things that are going on right
now which could be easily remedied are not being remedied in order to
keep the economy depressed because there would be no appetite for many
of the social programs if people were doing well.”
When pressed by Kelly, Carson wouldn’t name Obama but said there are “some people” taking these actions.
Obama signed immigration reform to bring in government-dependent voters
After speaking out about welfare, Carson said in an interview
months later that Obama’s executive action on immigration was part of a
“nefarious agenda” to bring new voters into the United States who will
be dependent on government.
“Is he just trying to instead of get out the vote, bring in the
vote?” former Republican Congressman J.D. Hayworth asked Carson.“Is this
all designed to have new voters — despite the fact he claims they’re
not going to get citizenship — is the long-term goal to bring in a new
class of voters dependent on government?”
“Of course it is,” Carson replied. He added that Republicans should
respond to Obama’s action by shutting down the government, but only the
parts that are “important to the president” and not any parts that will
“hurt the American people.”
jimmurphy said:
Hahaha said:Sadly I have to disagree with this. Republican Californians and Arizonans of a certain age resent illegal immigrants deeply. They feel they're driving up taxes, increasing traffic, contributing to crowding and generally ruining the states they once knew. All the fault of the illegals and the Dems.
I'm calling bs on the argument that people are frustrated with immigration. This is a "trumped up" issue that been fomented by the GOP. People aren't fridtrated when they can buy cheap domestic food. People aren't frustrated when affordable homes are built by day-labor.
I'm sure it's the same in Texas and New Mexico, although I have only spoken to those from CA and AZ.
Representing my corner of Texas (San Antonio) -- I don't personally see a lot of resentment towards "illegal" aliens. People here recognize what hard workers they are and how much they contribute. And nobody wants the dishwashing and landscaping jobs they take. Also, unlike in California, the state benefits are so crappy that even if an undocumented worker managers to get some, they're not getting much. Of course, all my friends are liberals, so I'm not speaking for my Republican neighbors in the suburbs, but as I recall GW Bush never tried to do much to close the border as governor or president.
sac said:
I was actually favorably impressed with Kasich. I don't agree with his positions on many issues, but he struck me as sane and balanced and not at all a "crazy". I suppose that means that he doesn't stand a chance.
What "Conservative Republicans" looked like before Tea Partiers, paranoids, xenophobes and racists took over the GOP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKasich201096-107
max_weisenfeld said:
emmie said:"I am unabashedly and entirely pro-life. Human life begins at conception and innocent life must be protected."
I like Dr. Carson, would like to know more of his views.
"The United States of America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. We can and should be proud of that fact. It served us well for almost 200 years. However, we need to reverse the recent trend of secular progressives using activist, federal judges to drive faith out of our society. ....
The First Amendment enshrines our freedom to practice whatever faith we choose from any government intrusion. Our Founding Fathers never meant for the First Amendment to be used to drive prayer out of the public square."
"It was no accident that our Founding Fathers enshrined the right to own
firearms as the 2nd element of the Bill of Rights, immediately after
establishing our free speech rights. I cannot and will not support any
efforts to weaken The 2nd Amendment."
"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition."
"a lot of people go into prison straight, and when they come out, they're gay".
"I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to
believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think,
and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just
appeared."
Hard to believe this guy is a neurosurgeon. A scientist, and he doesn't believe in evolution.
springgreen2 said:
Did anyone hear the Don Lemon interview on CNN last night?
I didn't see it but read about it this a.m. Don Lemon is a light weight. He is not a good journalist and IMO, gets a little star struck and looses his ish. When Trump said this about Megyn Kelly: “There was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.” Lemon didn't f/up and ask, "Mr. Trump. What do you mean 'coming out of her wherever? Are you referring to Ms. Kelly's anatomy?" Lemon asked NOTHING.
Aside from mental illness - I do believe Trump is mentally ill - he gets away with the BS because many journalists find him amusing. If someone is running for president, side show freak or not, they ought to be asked important, serious questions as if they were running for president. I don't understand the slap ass games the media plays with Trump. He's on every network almost nightly. It's as if no other candidate is running. I don't watch Kelly so I don't know her interviewing style but from what I saw on the debate, she doesn't seem like someone who'd let Trump seduce her during an interview.
Compare the entertainment value (and thus viewership) of interviewing yer average politician vs. interviewing a "huge" reality TV star.
I think we expect (hopefully) that TV talking heads are doing interviews with politicians to get at their policies and positions when in reality their goals are the same as any other media outlet - viewership. These people are journalists in the same way that Jim Cramer is a financial analyst.
Maybe Lemon is a crummy journalist, but he pushed Trump into destroying his own campaign. He could still surprise us, though.
Because of his comments about Megyn Kelly on CNN Trump has now been "disinvited to speak at RedState event" and Megyn Kelly invited to be the replacement headline speaker.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/08/donald-trump-disinvited-to-speak-at-redstate-event-megyn-kelly-invited/
As the pundit said, the guy (Erickson) who disinvited Trump is also the guy who coined the term "Abortion Barbie" for Wendy ?, the TX state rep. who did the famous filibuster in TX House.
Thanks, ridski.
I think Trump is just saying the most extreme things in the GOP field. They're on a continuum from anti-abortion to let-your-wife-die to menstruation jokes.
FWIW, Trump (who was a Democrat before claiming to be a Republican btw) has gotten some mileage bringing attention to the paralysis caused by trying to be politically incorrect about just about everything.
But I think he exposed his true self to the nation and it wasn't pretty. At one point he remarked to Ms Kelly that "she looked really hot tonight!" He thought she might be flattered!
@mtierney: If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed that Trump ever came aboard.
jimmurphy said:
Hahaha said:Sadly I have to disagree with this. Republican Californians and Arizonans of a certain age resent illegal immigrants deeply. They feel they're driving up taxes, increasing traffic, contributing to crowding and generally ruining the states they once knew. All the fault of the illegals and the Dems.
I'm calling bs on the argument that people are frustrated with immigration. This is a "trumped up" issue that been fomented by the GOP. People aren't fridtrated when they can buy cheap domestic food. People aren't frustrated when affordable homes are built by day-labor.
I'm sure it's the same in Texas and New Mexico, although I have only spoken to those from CA and AZ.
Yes, the same is true throughout the southwest. In fact, in a lot of this country outside the northeast, I have come across a lot of hostility against immigrants, illegal and otherwise.
springgreen2 said:
@mtierney: If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed that Trump ever came aboard.
I would be as well. Trump is playing head games and the others are afraid of him. If a candidate is afraid of Trump, how the hell will they be able to sit down with Putin? Bibi? Trump is the indicator that many of them left their balls in the glove box.
So did anyone see Meet The Press this morning, where they called to attention the fact that our dear governor was factually incorrect in alluding to the fact that he was Attorney General of NJ the day before 9/11 and that he wanted to be remembered as hugging the survivors of 9/11 that happened in his state? I was wondering why it took 3 days for anybody to bring this up, and then most of the journalists on the panel said they thought they learned a new fact about him because he said it. Boy, are we in trouble!
http://www.northjersey.com/news/a-day-after-gop-debate-christie-tries-to-convince-conservatives-he-s-not-too-ie-in-atlanta-1.1389055
Here's the paragraphs in the article relevant to this:
"Christie twice said during the televised debate Thursday night that he was “appointed” U.S. attorney on Sept. 10, 2001, the day before the terrorist attacks. And when Paul referred to the hug between Christie and President Obama following Superstorm Sandy, Christie retorted that “the hugs that I remember are the hugs that I gave to the families who lost their people on Sept. 11.”
But Christie wasn’t formally nominated until Dec. 7 and was confirmed by the Senate on Dec. 20, 2001. He assumed the office in January 2002. In the past, Christie has said that Sept. 10, 2001, was the day President George W. Bush called him to tell him he would be nominated.
Christie on Friday did not mention the exchange in his only public event, but Paul, who was in South Carolina, tried to continue the argument on social media. Paul’s Twitter account posted a message at Christie, saying his “disregard for the Constitution sets a dangerous precedent & ignores wisdom of our Founding Fathers” and that Christie “will fear monger and violate you Constitutional rights. And for what?”"
mumstheword said:
So did anyone see Meet The Press this morning, where they called to attention the fact that our dear governor was factually incorrect in alluding to the fact that he was Attorney General of NJ the day before 9/11 and that he wanted to be remembered as hugging the survivors of 9/11 that happened in his state? I was wondering why it took 3 days for anybody to bring this up, and then most of the journalists on the panel said they thought they learned a new fact about him because he said it. Boy, are we in trouble!
http://www.northjersey.com/news/a-day-after-gop-debate-christie-tries-to-convince-conservatives-he-s-not-too-ie-in-atlanta-1.1389055
Here's the paragraphs in the article relevant to this:
"Christie twice said during the televised debate Thursday night that he was “appointed” U.S. attorney on Sept. 10, 2001, the day before the terrorist attacks. And when Paul referred to the hug between Christie and President Obama following Superstorm Sandy, Christie retorted that “the hugs that I remember are the hugs that I gave to the families who lost their people on Sept. 11.”
But Christie wasn’t formally nominated until Dec. 7 and was confirmed by the Senate on Dec. 20, 2001. He assumed the office in January 2002. In the past, Christie has said that Sept. 10, 2001, was the day President George W. Bush called him to tell him he would be nominated.
Christie on Friday did not mention the exchange in his only public event, but Paul, who was in South Carolina, tried to continue the argument on social media. Paul’s Twitter account posted a message at Christie, saying his “disregard for the Constitution sets a dangerous precedent & ignores wisdom of our Founding Fathers” and that Christie “will fear monger and violate you Constitutional rights. And for what?”"
Actually I did see it mentioned the next day somewhere ... not sure if it was on MOL or Facebook.
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He wasn't asked about any of this last night. Ironic.