Bernie met with the Pope

mjh said:

Hope Bernie mentioned to the Pope that there will be no economic justice for women without reproductive rights and equal pay for women.

I bet he forgot.

Yup, Bernie should have lectured the Pope on Catholic Doctrine and Francis should have scolded Bernie for doing so on Shabbos.

thechamp said:

This meeting and $2.75 will get you a ride on the NYC subway if you hurry to beat the next fare increase.  Bernie Sanders is so ignorant about many of his favorite issues, such as  international trade, breaking up the banks and income distribution as to border on criminality.  It is interesting to note how little he donated to charity in 2014 from an income that put him in the top 2%.  The only thing worse than electing him would be to elect Hillary the Liar, Trump the buffoon or Cruz the nitwit.  Let's face it folks this is the worse slate of potential candidates since 1964.

1. Calling out he criminality of Wall Street is not criminal.

2. "Hillary the Liar" does not lie more often then other politicians including her husband, and his successor. "The People" want to be lied to. Presidents Reagan and Clinton were very popular. Mr. Trump's followers love his lies.

3. Trump is no buffoon although he plays one on TV. He is absolutely calculating.

4. Cruz is far from being a nitwit. His education and professional credentials are quite impressive.

5. I can think of a number of elections since 1964 when the choices were worse than Goldwater, Rockefeller, Scranton.

Edited to add Byrnes, Rhodes and Lodge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1964

I was at a wedding with John Henson of Talk Soup and Wipeout fame.

LOST said:

thechamp said:

This meeting and $2.75 will get you a ride on the NYC subway if you hurry to beat the next fare increase.  Bernie Sanders is so ignorant about many of his favorite issues, such as  international trade, breaking up the banks and income distribution as to border on criminality.  It is interesting to note how little he donated to charity in 2014 from an income that put him in the top 2%.  The only thing worse than electing him would be to elect Hillary the Liar, Trump the buffoon or Cruz the nitwit.  Let's face it folks this is the worse slate of potential candidates since 1964.

1. Calling out he criminality of Wall Street is not criminal.

2. "Hillary the Liar" does not lie more often then other politicians including her husband, and his successor. "The People" want to be lied to. Presidents Reagan and Clinton were very popular. Mr. Trump's followers love his lies.

3. Trump is no buffoon although he plays one on TV. He is absolutely calculating.

4. Cruz is far from being a nitwit. His education and professional credentials are quite impressive.

5. I can think of a number of elections since 1964 when the choices were worse than Goldwater, Rockefeller, Scranton.

Edited to add Byrnes, Rhodes and Lodge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1964

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4 is especially true. As this story shows

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/opinion/sunday/ted-cruzs-laughable-disguise.html

Also,

There are recordings of Ted Cruz arguing before the Supreme Court. 

http://www.oyez.org/advocates/c/r/r_ted_cruz 

It's Ted Cruz being two very different people, in cadence, tone, vocabulary, etc. One before the Supreme Court and the other when he is speaking at a town hall or at a conservative conference.

It's called "crossing the tracks". 

Ted cruz is a political shapeshifter who's looking to expand his influence and wealth by grandstanding at these town halls as your shucks  down home boy while advancing his agenda with corporate conservative pac money. 

He's in it for himself and when he's acquired enough, he will disavow the tea party hick base and shapeshift back to his supreme court persona.

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"I was at a wedding with John Henson of Talk Soup and Wipeout fame."

Oh yeah? Well I shook hands with Vince Lombardi...while he was naked.

ridski said:

I hung out one night with the keyboard player from Soft Cell.

I hung out one night with Johnny Rotten.  And more recently with Mickey Dolenz.

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

Hope Bernie mentioned to the Pope that there will be no economic justice for women without reproductive rights and equal pay for women.

I bet he forgot.

The Pope has embraced equal pay for women: http://time.com/3840049/pope-francis-equal-pay/

And he has made some movement toward reproductive rights, although clearly he has a long way to go:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/

And I'm sure that he is aware of Bernie's 100% support for a woman's right to choose.

I'm sorry, but you cannot gloss over the facts.  

Women are second-class citizens without rights in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is doing all it can -- politically and legally here in the U.S. and elsewhere -to keep things that way.  

Are you saying that the Pope didn't embrace equal pay for women?

when we get past the primaries, Bernie will solidify the right.  They will be relentless in attacking him as a socialist and a Jewish atheist.  And he will not disagree.   It could get messy.   

Woot said:

when we get past the primaries, Bernie will solidify the right.  They will be relentless in attacking him as a socialist and a Jewish atheist.  And he will not disagree.   It could get messy.   

Oh yeah. Now we shouldn't vote for him because he's Jewish. There should be a special place in hell for people who say, or think, that.

springgreen2 said:

Woot said:

when we get past the primaries, Bernie will solidify the right.  They will be relentless in attacking him as a socialist and a Jewish atheist.  And he will not disagree.   It could get messy.   

Oh year. Now we shouldn't vote for hime because he's Jewish. There should be a special place in hell for people who say, or think, that.

Could you misinterpret things any worse? Or maybe you just find comfort in bald-faced lying.

If any of you members of the Maplewood for Hillary Campaign spoke to her the way you are speaking to me, she'd just ignore you. 

So since you like her way of doing things, I think I'll give it back to you. 

Bye for now, until you've won, then maybe you will give yourselves a couple days to mellow out a bit and put that shine back on your little smiles!

Since you are wondering, yes I am a woman. Voting for a woman because she's a woman is just as sexist as not voting for her because she's a woman. Only Madeleine Albright has gone so far as to refer to the "special place in hell.." And an entire generation of women were insulted by that comment. The comments I've made about her are related to her personality and lack of positions unique to herself. 

If that is unacceptable to you, what about all your comments? You go after people's tone. Isn't that the same thing? 

You can't handle your own medicine when it is directed at your icon. You are blindly following her, and that will probably not serve you well.  

But by the way, thanks! I have so many more important things to do than try to reason/interact/converse with any of you. 

springgreen2 said:

If any of you members of the Maplewood for Hillary Campaign spoke to her the way you are speaking to me, she'd just ignore you. 

So since you like her way of doing things, I think I'll give it back to you. 




Bye for now, until you've won, then maybe you will give yourselves a couple days to mellow out a bit and put that shine back on your little smiles!




Since you are wondering, yes I am a woman. Voting for a woman because she's a woman is just as sexist as not voting for her because she's a woman. Only Madeleine Albright has gone so far as to refer to the "special place in hell.." And an entire generation of women were insulted by that comment. The comments I've made about her are related to her personality and lack of positions unique to herself. 

If that is unacceptable to you, what about all your comments? You go after people's tone. Isn't that the same thing? 

You can't handle your own medicine when it is directed at your icon. You are blindly following her, and that will probably not serve you well.  

But by the way, thanks! I have so many more important things to do than try to reason/interact/converse with any of you. 

You keep promising to go away, but you never do. What's up with that?

Lauryn Hill said she was a fan of mine.    

denniss said:

springgreen2 said:

If any of you members of the Maplewood for Hillary Campaign spoke to her the way you are speaking to me, she'd just ignore you. 

So since you like her way of doing things, I think I'll give it back to you. 




Bye for now, until you've won, then maybe you will give yourselves a couple days to mellow out a bit and put that shine back on your little smiles!




Since you are wondering, yes I am a woman. Voting for a woman because she's a woman is just as sexist as not voting for her because she's a woman. Only Madeleine Albright has gone so far as to refer to the "special place in hell.." And an entire generation of women were insulted by that comment. The comments I've made about her are related to her personality and lack of positions unique to herself. 

If that is unacceptable to you, what about all your comments? You go after people's tone. Isn't that the same thing? 

You can't handle your own medicine when it is directed at your icon. You are blindly following her, and that will probably not serve you well.  

But by the way, thanks! I have so many more important things to do than try to reason/interact/converse with any of you. 

You keep promising to go away, but you never do. What's up with that?

You'd have no scapegoat. How could you stand it?  Besides, every time I try to go away you draw me back in with idiotic comments or questions. 

As I have postulated before...Lying is what you do best.

Woot said:

when we get past the primaries, Bernie will solidify the right.  They will be relentless in attacking him as a socialist and a Jewish atheist.  And he will not disagree.   It could get messy.   

I suspect the attacks against Hillary will be at least as relentless and at least as messy.

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paulsurovell said:

Woot said:

when we get past the primaries, Bernie will solidify the right.  They will be relentless in attacking him as a socialist and a Jewish atheist.  And he will not disagree.   It could get messy.   

I suspect the attacks against Hillary will be at least as relentless and at least as messy.

Exactly. Get used to it. 

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

Hope Bernie mentioned to the Pope that there will be no economic justice for women without reproductive rights and equal pay for women.

I bet he forgot.

The Pope has embraced equal pay for women: http://time.com/3840049/pope-francis-equal-pay/

And he has made some movement toward reproductive rights, although clearly he has a long way to go:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/

And I'm sure that he is aware of Bernie's 100% support for a woman's right to choose.

I'm sorry, but you cannot gloss over the facts.  

Women are second-class citizens without rights in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is doing all it can -- politically and legally here in the U.S. and elsewhere -to keep things that way.  

Are you saying that the Pope didn't embrace equal pay for women?

No, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm just commenting that equal pay for women does f*kc all for economic justice for women when they don't have the right to control their own reproduction.  

And no, I'm not suggesting that Bernie should have lectured the Pope on Catholic doctrine.  I'm just suggesting that when the Pope's economic justice rhetoric meets reality, it leaves out half the population.  I can't justify it or celebrate it, that's all, and would not begin to gloat over a meeting with the Pope who keeps his boot heel on the backs of women.

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

Hope Bernie mentioned to the Pope that there will be no economic justice for women without reproductive rights and equal pay for women.

I bet he forgot.

The Pope has embraced equal pay for women: http://time.com/3840049/pope-francis-equal-pay/

And he has made some movement toward reproductive rights, although clearly he has a long way to go:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/

And I'm sure that he is aware of Bernie's 100% support for a woman's right to choose.

I'm sorry, but you cannot gloss over the facts.  

Women are second-class citizens without rights in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is doing all it can -- politically and legally here in the U.S. and elsewhere -to keep things that way.  

Are you saying that the Pope didn't embrace equal pay for women?

No, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm just commenting that equal pay for women does f*kc all for economic justice for women when they don't have the right to control their own reproduction.  

And no, I'm not suggesting that Bernie should have lectured the Pope on Catholic doctrine.  I'm just suggesting that when the Pope's economic justice rhetoric meets reality, it leaves out half the population.  I can't justify it or celebrate it, that's all, and would not begin to gloat over a meeting with the Pope who keeps his boot heel on the backs of women.

This particular Pope is a great one. I think you are wildly unfair, once again. I think that your passion for Hillary is cloudling your judgement. 

springgreen2 said:

This particular Pope is a great one. I think you are wildly unfair, once again. I think that your passion for Hillary is cloudling your judgement. 

Deep thought.  Thanks.

mjh said:

springgreen2 said:

This particular Pope is a great one. I think you are wildly unfair, once again. I think that your passion for Hillary is cloudling your judgement. 

Deep thought.  Thanks.

Truth and complexity are not the same thing. 

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

paulsurovell said:

mjh said:

Hope Bernie mentioned to the Pope that there will be no economic justice for women without reproductive rights and equal pay for women.

I bet he forgot.

The Pope has embraced equal pay for women: http://time.com/3840049/pope-francis-equal-pay/

And he has made some movement toward reproductive rights, although clearly he has a long way to go:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/

And I'm sure that he is aware of Bernie's 100% support for a woman's right to choose.

I'm sorry, but you cannot gloss over the facts.  

Women are second-class citizens without rights in the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is doing all it can -- politically and legally here in the U.S. and elsewhere -to keep things that way.  

Are you saying that the Pope didn't embrace equal pay for women?

No, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm just commenting that equal pay for women does f*kc all for economic justice for women when they don't have the right to control their own reproduction.  

And no, I'm not suggesting that Bernie should have lectured the Pope on Catholic doctrine.  I'm just suggesting that when the Pope's economic justice rhetoric meets reality, it leaves out half the population.  I can't justify it or celebrate it, that's all, and would not begin to gloat over a meeting with the Pope who keeps his boot heel on the backs of women.

Here's an interview in September 2015 between Andrea Mitchell and Bernie Sanders after Pope Francis's speech to Congress in which the Pope mentioned Dorothy Day (a socialist pacifist) as one of four "great Americans."  Near the end of the clip, Bernie distinguishes between areas of agreement with the Pope, like economic justice,  where "we can work together" and areas of disagreement, like reproductive rights and Gay marriage.

With regard to your disdain at Bernie's meeting with the Pope -- did you express similar disdain when President Obama met with the Pope in the Vatican or in the White House?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwiyGladqs