Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens (spoiler thread)

SkippyTopaz said:

In all of these comments speculating who might be related to who, not one mention that Finn's last name might being "Calrissian"???

I've heard that idea. Also the idea that he's related to Mace Windu. There aren't a lot of Black people in the Star Wars universe, but Mace Windu was a Jedi. A Black Jedi.

It's possible he's just a Black guy who ended up being a Storm Trooper (with mysterious history) who had a good moral compass. And had an amazing natural ability with the light saber that he happened to have in his hand at a key moment.

jersey_boy said:

SkippyTopaz said:

In all of these comments speculating who might be related to who, not one mention that Finn's last name might being "Calrissian"???

I've heard that idea. Also the idea that he's related to Mace Windu. There aren't a lot of Black people in the Star Wars universe, but Mace Windu was a Jedi. A Black Jedi.

It's possible he's just a Black guy who ended up being a Storm Trooper (with mysterious history) who had a good moral compass. And had an amazing natural ability with the light saber that he happened to have in his hand at a key moment.

My wife came back from seeing the movie (I haven't been able to, yet) believing that Finn is Lando's son based on another character's remark of seeing those eyes, and a willingness to run, before.

Jedi Code supposedly forbids marriage, family and children*, and unlike Anakin who had to hide his relationship I don't think Mace Windu would break the Jedi Code. So I guess, based on the Law of Lazy Writing, that makes Finn a Calrissian.

*If there is a genetic element to the Force, this makes absolutely no sense, it essentially wipes out all the best Jedi bloodlines as soon as they become Jedi. 

ridski said:

Jedi Code supposedly forbids marriage, family and children*, and unlike Anakin who had to hide his relationship I don't think Mace Windu would break the Jedi Code. So I guess, based on the Law of Lazy Writing, that makes Finn a Calrissian.

*If there is a genetic element to the Force, this makes absolutely no sense, it essentially wipes out all the best Jedi bloodlines as soon as they become Jedi. 

Well.... the Jedi have been *almost* wiped out at least twice in the series. But it does beg the question no one wants to ask: "WTF are minichloridians?"

I'm a 51-yr old adult who grew up with the Original Trilogy. I'm a parent of kids. Which is precisely why I think the Akbar gag and the unquestionable outburst, if not ovation, it would have drawn would've been worth its weight in gold. Silly as it may be, that meme is a connection between my Star Wars and my kids' Star Wars. I respect the insight and differing perspectives from and for different people, but to me -- despite my 40-year love affair with the franchise -- I just don't need to analyze the movie like it's the Zapruder film. For me it was always about just immersing myself in this crazy fun other world, and it still is.

George Lucas is pretty grouchy about it all:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/31/george-lucas-attacks-retro-star-wars-the-force-awakens

jersey_boy said:

Yes. This was a rehash for the original audience. However, the one difference was that the perspective shifted for the original audience.

When I was a kid and learned that Darth Vader was Luke's, my hero's, father, it was an emotional realization because I was a kid and parental imperfection was an emotional hot button. It worked.

In The Force Awakens the point of view is now parental. Han and Leia had a child, Ben, who is the new dark lord. It presses the buttons of the original audience to think that their child would turn to the dark side. It's a different hot button. It worked.

Those of us who grew up with the pain that the father was the dark lord, now have to deal with the idea that the child we raised could be the dark lord. What parent isn't moved by the scene on the bridge? It's not for kids. It's for parents of kids.


It's not for the Prequel addicts, or people who complain that Ackbar didn't say, "It's a trap!" Its for the adults who grew up with the Original Trilogy.

I just really like this post.

Rey is the Emperor's grand daughter.

she is just one of the billions of beings in the universe who are strong with the force but are usually denied the opportunity to improve because of their socio economic status.  Not from a jedi 1% family?  Get out there and scavenge.

Rey is a Kenobi. Granddaughter of Obi-Wan.

Klinker said:

Rey is the Emperor's grand daughter.

https://medium.com/@benostrower/rey-is-a-kenobi-362b5af09849#.qaze0eaig

First and foremost, I'm genuinely happy that everyone liked the movie.  I just came back from it, and... I'm sad.  I just have an overwhelming sense of "lazy" with the exception of the special effects (though I will point out that dragging the Millennium Falcon on it's side during a high speed chase was a bit of a stretch for me).

It just seems like someone said, "OK - let's take the first script and twist it around a bit".  Bleh.

Though as a "Girls" fan I was cheered up a bit when I saw Darth Hipster take his helmet off.  That was kind of fun.

We took our 8.5 yr old to see it this weekend. At first he kept saying he didn't like Star Wars- he had never seen any of them-but he ended up really liking the movie. Then I told him the man who plays Poe is from Guatemala, just like him

Just saw it and left convinced that the First Order is no match for proper punctuation. If the opening crawl is correct, there is another:

"She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy."