Ryan Lochte is NOT a kid

Michael -- is it said your peace? or said your piece?

Sorry to drag you back in although from what I can tell based on your MOL history you enjoy the back and forth banter on MOL.


Boy, you sure are working hard to smear this poor woman. Makes me ill to see you twisting yourself into knots trying to paint her in the worst possible light. I actually went to look at her twitter feed myself, just out of curiosity. First of all, the tweets you're talking about were years ago. You have to scroll through thousands of other tweets about Jon Stewart, Drake, Game of Thrones, her competitions, meeting various celebs, etc., etc. to even find the ones you're talking about. She tweets about being excited for Ramadan and stuff like this:

@IbtihajMuhammad  15 Nov 2015 “Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as though he has killed all mankind.. (1/2)

‏@IbtihajMuhammad  15 Nov 2015
And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” #Quran 5:32 (2/2)

I finally arrived at the part where you say she tweets that Israel deliberately shelling a school, only to discover that she said no such thing. Instead, she retweeted a Piers Morgan tweet and a news story published by The Guardian. 

I suggest anyone else who's concerned about all of this to go look for themselves. I think you'll find her twitter feed is not being accurately depicted by the people who, for reasons I will do them the favor of not speculating about, are trying to make her look bad here and elsewhere. 


michaelgoldberg said:



kibbegirl
said:
Regarding thread high jackers - there are many who do that on MOL and it's annoying. Mike should have started his own thread about the comments and not co-mingle them into this one.

For what it is worth, I did post previously in other threads on this topic (and the comments were deleted) and I noticed that other threads started by others were deleted.  So, I simply started my comments in this thread asking why criticism of some Olympians was allowed and others were not.  It made no sense.  

Also, nobody is asking for "rabid, unexamined support for Israel".  Many of the tweets were simply untrue and anti-Israel propaganda (Israel opened dams to flood Palestinians, Israel deliberately shelled a school, Israel is "occupying someone else's land", Gaza is "under attack").  

Go ahead and question ANY government, including our own.  I just found it ironic that she focused on "human rights" of Palestinians, but has never posted about "human rights issues" in Iran, Saudi Arabia or countless other countries or the Palestinians themselves.

I've said my peace and will bow out of this thread.  (so hopefully you can get back to talking about Lochte and not pull me back in)  <img src=">

I think we should honor MG's wishes and let him bow out.  I don't know about the rest of you but that will make me happier.


i don't control whether he posts or doesn't. If he wants to bow out, that's up to him. But if he's going to publicly attack a member of our community, I see no reason not to respond. 

jeffl said:

I think we should honor MG's wishes and let him bow out.  I don't know about the rest of you but that will make me happier.

And can we agree that Ryan Lochte is still a dick?


mikescott said:

Michael -- is it said your peace? or said your piece?

Sorry to drag you back in although from what I can tell based on your MOL history you enjoy the back and forth banter on MOL.

@mikescott

It's peace. Meaning to be at peace with what you say, to let go of a grudge. " I was actually impressed that it got it right. Most people (incorrectly) think it's piece.


kibbegirl said:

And can we agree that Ryan Lochte is still a dick?

I'll re-join for just a sec to share some HUMOR on the topic:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muqVXTuZLU#action=share

Enjoy.   I'm back out


michaelgoldberg said:


kibbegirl said:

And can we agree that Ryan Lochte is still a dick?

I'll re-join for just a sec to share some HUMOR on the topic:  


6muqVXTuZLU



Enjoy.   I'm back out

Please stay away! 


shoshannah said:
mikescott said:

Michael -- is it said your peace? or said your piece?

Sorry to drag you back in although from what I can tell based on your MOL history you enjoy the back and forth banter on MOL.

@mikescott

It's peace. Meaning to be at peace with what you say, to let go of a grudge. " I was actually impressed that it got it right. Most people (incorrectly) think it's piece.

It is actually quite contentious.  Here's an argument for the other side:  http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/speak-your-piece-and-hold-your-peace

"

Speak your piece and hold your peace are two common idioms in English.

It's easy to confuse the spelling of piece/peace in these idioms, but there is a logic to the difference.

Speak your piece means "state your opinion or view." One sense of the word piece is specific to this expression.

He'd planned to speak his piece at the next meeting.

I encourage you all to speak your piece before we decide.

Several other residents came forward to speak their piece.

==

Hold your peace means the same as hold your tongue: "to keep silent or to not say anything about something." It's commonly heard in traditional marriage vows:

Should anyone here present know of any reason that this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace. (This line is old-fashioned and not used very often anymore, but is heard in old movies depicting wedding ceremonies).

You must hold your peace and accept the changes.

The waiter was discreet and held his peace"


Depends on how you feel about DWTS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/24/ryan-lochte-dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-cast/89306932/

(I rely on USA Today for all of my Lochte news.)


shoshannah said:
mikescott said:

Michael -- is it said your peace? or said your piece?

Sorry to drag you back in although from what I can tell based on your MOL history you enjoy the back and forth banter on MOL.

@mikescott

It's peace. Meaning to be at peace with what you say, to let go of a grudge. " I was actually impressed that it got it right. Most people (incorrectly) think it's piece.

As Max points out there are arguments for both sides and depends on how it was intended.   


If any of our children or relatives were shaken down at gunpoint for money in a foreign Country, we wouldn't be calling them "dicks".  


The conventional phrase is "say your piece" or "speak your piece." It's one of those things where enough people get it wrong that "peace" has become somewhat accepted as a variant, but when you see the phrase in the NY Times, AP, etc. it is correctly spelled "piece." Although I'm sure a certain more-informed regular poster will correct me if I'm wrong!


Robert_Casotto said:

If any of our children or relatives were shaken down at gunpoint for money in a foreign Country, we wouldn't be calling them "dicks".  

If they were dicks, we would. 


Judging from the discourse here, I have no doubt.


If my nephew pulled the crap that Ryan Lochte did, I would be doing more than telling him he acted like a dick.


Of course, the larger point is that when visiting a foreign country, or even when in an unfamiliar environment, it is generally not a good idea to get drunk and disorderly.  By some accounts, the gas station encounter could have had a far worse outcome.


The most generous description of Lochte's behavior is that he got really drunk, vandalized a sign in a gas station, and in turn the security guards demanded a bribe not to press charges. Then the next day, he and his buddies cooked up a story that they were pulled over by thieves impersonating cops and robbed at gunpoint.

There's really no defense for that behavior, especially if one is a guest in a foreign country. 


He is now having his reputation renovated by appearing on Dancing With the Stars.



PeggyC said:

He is now having his reputation renovated by appearing on Dancing With the Stars.

I watched the episode where they showed the ballroom floor protest against Lochte. When security tackled the protestor, Lochte can be seen moving to hide behind Cheryl B to avoid any scuffle. The same way a toddler might hide behind a parent. Made me giggle to see a 32 year old man doing it.


I find the whole thing insane, the way the show is trying to make him look like a great guy who is just a victim. I just don't get it.


Don't watch DWTS but am waiting to see the shot of his face losing. He has earned it.


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