Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine

drummerboy said:

nan said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

PVW said:

nan said:

I did not think it was about that at all.  Are you sure that's the cartoon I posted?  The cartoon I posted was just snarky sarcasm. 

The cartoon has the European saying "I don't mind freezing to death this winter if it helps Ukraine," and the American saying "Funnily enough, I don't mind you freezing to death either."

That makes no sense if the American is actually sending gas to try and stop the European from freezing to death. If the American really didn't mind, why would she be trying to prevent the European from freezing?

The US is the big driver behind all of this and our government does not give a crap if Europe freezes.  Neither, evidently, do their politicians. 

I remember you saying that it might be a good thing since it would decrease their dependence on fossil fuel. Recently you said it was good if they got away from Russian oil.  You don't seem to be too worried. 

I have never seen a sign of an impending societal collapse more foreboding than unheated swimming pools.

Europe is surely doomed. Russia has won.

Three-day-a-week school is bad, and I'm sure you are aware what the effect of astronomically energy bills will be on individuals, small business and even big business.  

But, sure, focus on the swimming pools.  That's probably what the "experts" focused on so people who don't have heated swimming pools would not panic.  

focus on the swimming pools?

It's you who felt it was important enough to post about, not me. Or were you really more concerned with the change in pub hours?

I’ve been posting examples. Some are about major deindustrialization. Some are about fish and chips shops and bakeries going under and swimming pools unseated and no street lights. I’m hoping you get an idea about how bad it’s going to be. 

All you hear is the unseated swimming pools so you can dismiss the idea that Europe is facing catastrophic conditions and we are in for problems also. 


nan said:

I’ve been posting examples. Some are about major deindustrialization. Some are about fish and chips shops and bakeries going under and swimming pools unseated and no street lights. I’m hoping you get an idea about how bad it’s going to be. 

All you hear is the unseated swimming pools so you can dismiss the idea that Europe is facing catastrophic conditions and we are in for problems also. 

And what problems might we be in for, pray tell?


nan said:

The more this fails and the more they press on with it -- think of Annalena Baerbock's comments (German politician who said Ukraine matters more than German voters--I've posted her comments twice), who says "I don't care about Germany.  We are just going to carry on with this thing until eventually we win."  Also that we are going to face down protests in Germany.  This is a deeply authoritarian response.  We also have the US President increasingly talking about the dangers to Democracy from the Republicans. The worse things get, the more these people are going to try to clamp down.  That is the dynamic that we are now seeing. They are going to double down on their  anti-Russian policy and they are going to double down on anyone within their own societies who says "This is wrong."

You've posted someone else's dishonest description, and that's been pointed out, but you're sticking with the liar. Even when pointed out to you.

nohero said:

It's idiotic to base any conclusions on "Janice Kortcamp's" description. You probably didn't even listen to the abbreviated clip, where her actual point still manages to be heard.

Let's not rely on an Assad-supporting propagandist who writes things like, "Sure, Trump was bad but Biden's worse". 


Let's all give Russia what it wants in Ukraine, or else Russia will make things hard for the rest of Europe.

And after we do that, Russia will never make another unreasonable demand ever again.


nohero said:

Let's all give Russia what it wants in Ukraine, or else Russia will make things hard for the rest of Europe.

And after we do that, Russia will never make another unreasonable demand ever again.

Russia won the war. We blew it. To continue is to participate in more pointless destruction and economic instability. 

“Unreasonable” is a subjective term. Please define. 


nan said:

Russia won the war. We blew it. To continue is to participate in more pointless destruction and economic instability.

Great! Russia should pack up and go home and throw themselves a parade. No need for them to be in Ukraine anymore.


PVW said:

nan said:

Russia won the war. We blew it. To continue is to participate in more pointless destruction and economic instability.

Great! Russia should pack up and go home and throw themselves a parade. No need for them to be in Ukraine anymore.

Ukraine keeps sending squadrons on suicide missions so it might be awhile. They are fighting to the last Ukrainian and there are a few left to sacrifice. 

And it was all so avoidable but what the west wants the west gets. At least up to now. 


nan said:

So, when things are bad, what does the US government do?  Answer:  make them worse.  Discussion in the video below--I am summarizing what is said--not exact wording.

The G7, has decided to put a price cap on Russian oil.  Very bad move.  This is an admission of defeat and the response is always to double down.  They are constantly looking for some way out.  The US treasury said it was a bad idea to ban Russian oil (Janet Yellen very much opposed) that came by ship but the Europeans did it anyway. Yellen came up with this idea to re-balance the oil market in some way by imposing this oil price cap and using the insurance market to enforce it. 90% of the oil from Russia imported into the EU comes by ship.  It's going to blow up in their faces. 

They are trying to get Russia to keep exporting oil but at a lower price.   They are trying to impose a price cap but it is not going to succeed. 

It is based on the assumption that China and India will play along.  Also, that they won't be able to get insurance services, which is nonsense.  The time of the world when London provided all the insurance services is gone.  

This is going to lead to major instability. The secondary markets are going to be loving this. Europe is already buying LNG from China which originated in Russia.  This is an oil smuggler's charter.

This is going to boomerang back and affect the collective west.  It's going to create oil shortages in an already tight market. Oil prices are going to rise. 

One thing they are not willing to do is to give up on the attrition war because all their credibility is not invested in it. This is the Kherson Offensive of the economic attrition.  The military experts in Ukraine said the Kherson offensive was a bad idea but we had it anyway.  Same with the oil price cap. 

Yellen made it clear that doing this ban would push the price of oil up but the hardliners won as they always do. The people who want the most idiotic sanctions always get their way. There is going to be a huge crisis come winter because by that point there is going to be accumulating oil shortages, massive imbalances in the oil market because we are going to find there is no oil from Russia coming to Europe, there is not enough oil coming from the Gulf to make that up. We are going to have a cascade effect on oil prices in the United States which is a very sensitive issue which are going to start rising as well.

So, Yellen says that instead of having the oil banned let's try to bring down the price by imposing this price cap on Russian oil.  It does not solve the problem.  Also, the previous import ban is not being lifted.  They are just adding this on to the other thing.  It creates more complexities.  It is disrupting the efficient working of the oil market. 

Oil will not be able to move smoothly around the world economy.  It will result in higher oil prices.  The Saudi's said not to do this.  They said the market is tight and Saudi Arabia is at the limits of what it can produce. All the big oil producers have said the same.  Every economist and oil industry specialist said it was a bad idea.  BUT, they are going to do it anyway.  

Saudi Arabia is probably looking at this and thinking, "Let's get into BRICS."  The leadership in the West are a bunch of Bozos.  

The more this fails and the more they press on with it -- think of Annalena Baerbock's comments (German politician who said Ukraine matters more than German voters--I've posted her comments twice), who says "I don't care about Germany.  We are just going to carry on with this thing until eventually we win."  Also that we are going to face down protests in Germany.  This is a deeply authoritarian response.  We also have the US President increasingly talking about the dangers to Democracy from the Republicans. The worse things get, the more these people are going to try to clamp down.  That is the dynamic that we are now seeing. They are going to double down on their anti-Russian policy and they are going to double down on anyone within their own societies who says "This is wrong."

it’s incredible how riled up you get after theduran drops a video!  Their “news” reporting seems to be your #1 source.  I wish you could actually step back and look at how they’re packaging what they’re selling.  Bottom line- give vlad what he wants and the gas will flow, get cheaper and no one will freeze this winter.

Where is their report on the current level of denazification?  That’s a big part of the mission.  


jamie said:

nan said:

So, when things are bad, what does the US government do?  Answer:  make them worse.  Discussion in the video below--I am summarizing what is said--not exact wording.

The G7, has decided to put a price cap on Russian oil.  Very bad move.  This is an admission of defeat and the response is always to double down.  They are constantly looking for some way out.  The US treasury said it was a bad idea to ban Russian oil (Janet Yellen very much opposed) that came by ship but the Europeans did it anyway. Yellen came up with this idea to re-balance the oil market in some way by imposing this oil price cap and using the insurance market to enforce it. 90% of the oil from Russia imported into the EU comes by ship.  It's going to blow up in their faces. 

They are trying to get Russia to keep exporting oil but at a lower price.   They are trying to impose a price cap but it is not going to succeed. 

It is based on the assumption that China and India will play along.  Also, that they won't be able to get insurance services, which is nonsense.  The time of the world when London provided all the insurance services is gone.  

This is going to lead to major instability. The secondary markets are going to be loving this. Europe is already buying LNG from China which originated in Russia.  This is an oil smuggler's charter.

This is going to boomerang back and affect the collective west.  It's going to create oil shortages in an already tight market. Oil prices are going to rise. 

One thing they are not willing to do is to give up on the attrition war because all their credibility is not invested in it. This is the Kherson Offensive of the economic attrition.  The military experts in Ukraine said the Kherson offensive was a bad idea but we had it anyway.  Same with the oil price cap. 

Yellen made it clear that doing this ban would push the price of oil up but the hardliners won as they always do. The people who want the most idiotic sanctions always get their way. There is going to be a huge crisis come winter because by that point there is going to be accumulating oil shortages, massive imbalances in the oil market because we are going to find there is no oil from Russia coming to Europe, there is not enough oil coming from the Gulf to make that up. We are going to have a cascade effect on oil prices in the United States which is a very sensitive issue which are going to start rising as well.

So, Yellen says that instead of having the oil banned let's try to bring down the price by imposing this price cap on Russian oil.  It does not solve the problem.  Also, the previous import ban is not being lifted.  They are just adding this on to the other thing.  It creates more complexities.  It is disrupting the efficient working of the oil market. 

Oil will not be able to move smoothly around the world economy.  It will result in higher oil prices.  The Saudi's said not to do this.  They said the market is tight and Saudi Arabia is at the limits of what it can produce. All the big oil producers have said the same.  Every economist and oil industry specialist said it was a bad idea.  BUT, they are going to do it anyway.  

Saudi Arabia is probably looking at this and thinking, "Let's get into BRICS."  The leadership in the West are a bunch of Bozos.  

The more this fails and the more they press on with it -- think of Annalena Baerbock's comments (German politician who said Ukraine matters more than German voters--I've posted her comments twice), who says "I don't care about Germany.  We are just going to carry on with this thing until eventually we win."  Also that we are going to face down protests in Germany.  This is a deeply authoritarian response.  We also have the US President increasingly talking about the dangers to Democracy from the Republicans. The worse things get, the more these people are going to try to clamp down.  That is the dynamic that we are now seeing. They are going to double down on their anti-Russian policy and they are going to double down on anyone within their own societies who says "This is wrong."

it’s incredible how riled up you get after theduran drops a video!  Their “news” reporting seems to be your #1 source.  I wish you could actually step back and look at how they’re packaging what they’re selling.  Bottom line- give vlad what he wants and the gas will flow, get cheaper and no one will freeze this winter.

Where is their report on the current level of denazification?  That’s a big part of the mission.  

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 

I thought this one was interesting because it talked about how the US/EU is dealing with the economic backlash from the disastrous Russian sanctions. Do you agree with the price controls idea?  It does not sound good to me. 

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.


Another interesting tweet I saw this morning:

https://twitter.com/MutualDestroy/status/1566190731643047940


nan said:

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 

I thought this one was interesting because it talked about how the US/EU is dealing with the economic backlash from the disastrous Russian sanctions. Do you agree with the price controls idea?  It does not sound good to me. 

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.

and the Duran can never never report on an article or maneuver that make Russia look bad - you know like decimating a sovereign country.

Remember back in the days when the laughed at Biden and the MSM for saying that Russia was going to invade Ukraine?  Hilarious!

Again - with the  nazi issue - I guess that image you shared means that these people deserve to die immediately - correct?  The used the improper sign and must be eliminated - right?  Even if they may have been joking - right?


Vlad is using the proxy war propaganda to the fullest in western media.  Whereas in State sponsored media - he's defeating nazism and returning Ukraine back to the motherland.

Also- NOBODY knows what will make Vlad stop and what land grab he ultimately be happy with.

This information is in the brain of one guy who's sending soldiers from the poorest areas of his country to death.  

nan - please send us your best info on filtration camps - could be a good vacation spot compared living in what used to be your house?


Now he’s sending convicted murderers from prisons… next he’s gonna empty out the mental asylums… looks like the Syrians are not falling for his promises of a better life on the beaches of Crimea, so he’s offering prime real estate lots to the Russian criminals in prison…. And a Lada convertible 


nan said:

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.

Ms. Nan sharing hate speech with manufactured images, from serial liar on behalf of authoritarians, Garland Nixon. 

Somebody owes an apology to the rest of the participants and to the owner of this message board.


Here's the original photo.

By the way, it's a Russian Imperial Flag - File:Flag of the Russian Empire (black-yellow-white).svg


nan said:

jamie said:

nan said:

So, when things are bad, what does the US government do?  Answer:  make them worse.  Discussion in the video below--I am summarizing what is said--not exact wording.

The G7, has decided to put a price cap on Russian oil.  Very bad move.  This is an admission of defeat and the response is always to double down.  They are constantly looking for some way out.  The US treasury said it was a bad idea to ban Russian oil (Janet Yellen very much opposed) that came by ship but the Europeans did it anyway. Yellen came up with this idea to re-balance the oil market in some way by imposing this oil price cap and using the insurance market to enforce it. 90% of the oil from Russia imported into the EU comes by ship.  It's going to blow up in their faces. 

They are trying to get Russia to keep exporting oil but at a lower price.   They are trying to impose a price cap but it is not going to succeed. 

It is based on the assumption that China and India will play along.  Also, that they won't be able to get insurance services, which is nonsense.  The time of the world when London provided all the insurance services is gone.  

This is going to lead to major instability. The secondary markets are going to be loving this. Europe is already buying LNG from China which originated in Russia.  This is an oil smuggler's charter.

This is going to boomerang back and affect the collective west.  It's going to create oil shortages in an already tight market. Oil prices are going to rise. 

One thing they are not willing to do is to give up on the attrition war because all their credibility is not invested in it. This is the Kherson Offensive of the economic attrition.  The military experts in Ukraine said the Kherson offensive was a bad idea but we had it anyway.  Same with the oil price cap. 

Yellen made it clear that doing this ban would push the price of oil up but the hardliners won as they always do. The people who want the most idiotic sanctions always get their way. There is going to be a huge crisis come winter because by that point there is going to be accumulating oil shortages, massive imbalances in the oil market because we are going to find there is no oil from Russia coming to Europe, there is not enough oil coming from the Gulf to make that up. We are going to have a cascade effect on oil prices in the United States which is a very sensitive issue which are going to start rising as well.

So, Yellen says that instead of having the oil banned let's try to bring down the price by imposing this price cap on Russian oil.  It does not solve the problem.  Also, the previous import ban is not being lifted.  They are just adding this on to the other thing.  It creates more complexities.  It is disrupting the efficient working of the oil market. 

Oil will not be able to move smoothly around the world economy.  It will result in higher oil prices.  The Saudi's said not to do this.  They said the market is tight and Saudi Arabia is at the limits of what it can produce. All the big oil producers have said the same.  Every economist and oil industry specialist said it was a bad idea.  BUT, they are going to do it anyway.  

Saudi Arabia is probably looking at this and thinking, "Let's get into BRICS."  The leadership in the West are a bunch of Bozos.  

The more this fails and the more they press on with it -- think of Annalena Baerbock's comments (German politician who said Ukraine matters more than German voters--I've posted her comments twice), who says "I don't care about Germany.  We are just going to carry on with this thing until eventually we win."  Also that we are going to face down protests in Germany.  This is a deeply authoritarian response.  We also have the US President increasingly talking about the dangers to Democracy from the Republicans. The worse things get, the more these people are going to try to clamp down.  That is the dynamic that we are now seeing. They are going to double down on their anti-Russian policy and they are going to double down on anyone within their own societies who says "This is wrong."

it’s incredible how riled up you get after theduran drops a video!  Their “news” reporting seems to be your #1 source.  I wish you could actually step back and look at how they’re packaging what they’re selling.  Bottom line- give vlad what he wants and the gas will flow, get cheaper and no one will freeze this winter.

Where is their report on the current level of denazification?  That’s a big part of the mission.  

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 

I thought this one was interesting because it talked about how the US/EU is dealing with the economic backlash from the disastrous Russian sanctions. Do you agree with the price controls idea?  It does not sound good to me. 

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.

did someone say gullible?


jamie said:

nan said:

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 

I thought this one was interesting because it talked about how the US/EU is dealing with the economic backlash from the disastrous Russian sanctions. Do you agree with the price controls idea?  It does not sound good to me. 

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.

and the Duran can never never report on an article or maneuver that make Russia look bad - you know like decimating a sovereign country.

Remember back in the days when the laughed at Biden and the MSM for saying that Russia was going to invade Ukraine?  Hilarious!

Again - with the  nazi issue - I guess that image you shared means that these people deserve to die immediately - correct?  The used the improper sign and must be eliminated - right?  Even if they may have been joking - right?

The video was NOT about Russia directly.  It was about US/EU policy affecting us all.  That's why I shared it and wrote up a summary of the conversation.  What do you think about that?  I already know what you think about Russia.  Very well.

Yes, we did not think Russia would invade and take the bait, but they waited eight years and nothing was done so they finally did.  Biden knew because he was privy to the intell that was doing the baiting. 

Who jokes with the Nazi salute at weddings?   Anyway, I did not want any of them to die.  I wanted the peace settlement that Boris, no doubt supported by the US, scuttled.  You are the one who wants to fight to the last Ukrainian.


drummerboy said:

nan said:

jamie said:

nan said:

So, when things are bad, what does the US government do?  Answer:  make them worse.  Discussion in the video below--I am summarizing what is said--not exact wording.

The G7, has decided to put a price cap on Russian oil.  Very bad move.  This is an admission of defeat and the response is always to double down.  They are constantly looking for some way out.  The US treasury said it was a bad idea to ban Russian oil (Janet Yellen very much opposed) that came by ship but the Europeans did it anyway. Yellen came up with this idea to re-balance the oil market in some way by imposing this oil price cap and using the insurance market to enforce it. 90% of the oil from Russia imported into the EU comes by ship.  It's going to blow up in their faces. 

They are trying to get Russia to keep exporting oil but at a lower price.   They are trying to impose a price cap but it is not going to succeed. 

It is based on the assumption that China and India will play along.  Also, that they won't be able to get insurance services, which is nonsense.  The time of the world when London provided all the insurance services is gone.  

This is going to lead to major instability. The secondary markets are going to be loving this. Europe is already buying LNG from China which originated in Russia.  This is an oil smuggler's charter.

This is going to boomerang back and affect the collective west.  It's going to create oil shortages in an already tight market. Oil prices are going to rise. 

One thing they are not willing to do is to give up on the attrition war because all their credibility is not invested in it. This is the Kherson Offensive of the economic attrition.  The military experts in Ukraine said the Kherson offensive was a bad idea but we had it anyway.  Same with the oil price cap. 

Yellen made it clear that doing this ban would push the price of oil up but the hardliners won as they always do. The people who want the most idiotic sanctions always get their way. There is going to be a huge crisis come winter because by that point there is going to be accumulating oil shortages, massive imbalances in the oil market because we are going to find there is no oil from Russia coming to Europe, there is not enough oil coming from the Gulf to make that up. We are going to have a cascade effect on oil prices in the United States which is a very sensitive issue which are going to start rising as well.

So, Yellen says that instead of having the oil banned let's try to bring down the price by imposing this price cap on Russian oil.  It does not solve the problem.  Also, the previous import ban is not being lifted.  They are just adding this on to the other thing.  It creates more complexities.  It is disrupting the efficient working of the oil market. 

Oil will not be able to move smoothly around the world economy.  It will result in higher oil prices.  The Saudi's said not to do this.  They said the market is tight and Saudi Arabia is at the limits of what it can produce. All the big oil producers have said the same.  Every economist and oil industry specialist said it was a bad idea.  BUT, they are going to do it anyway.  

Saudi Arabia is probably looking at this and thinking, "Let's get into BRICS."  The leadership in the West are a bunch of Bozos.  

The more this fails and the more they press on with it -- think of Annalena Baerbock's comments (German politician who said Ukraine matters more than German voters--I've posted her comments twice), who says "I don't care about Germany.  We are just going to carry on with this thing until eventually we win."  Also that we are going to face down protests in Germany.  This is a deeply authoritarian response.  We also have the US President increasingly talking about the dangers to Democracy from the Republicans. The worse things get, the more these people are going to try to clamp down.  That is the dynamic that we are now seeing. They are going to double down on their anti-Russian policy and they are going to double down on anyone within their own societies who says "This is wrong."

it’s incredible how riled up you get after theduran drops a video!  Their “news” reporting seems to be your #1 source.  I wish you could actually step back and look at how they’re packaging what they’re selling.  Bottom line- give vlad what he wants and the gas will flow, get cheaper and no one will freeze this winter.

Where is their report on the current level of denazification?  That’s a big part of the mission.  

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 

I thought this one was interesting because it talked about how the US/EU is dealing with the economic backlash from the disastrous Russian sanctions. Do you agree with the price controls idea?  It does not sound good to me. 

As for denazification, I'd say they are only doing so-so.

did someone say gullible?

Not the people getting in the streets in EU countries.   They are clear on how they feel about these policies.

(tweet won't post - use link)

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1566154061623312385


Germany:



nohero said:

Does not look like a small protest to me.  And it's early yet.  Wait until it gets cold. 


Governments taking action, but not the “Leave Russia Alone” kind.

“The German government is to impose a windfall tax on electricity producers and use the proceeds to finance a new €65bn package of relief measures to soften the blow of soaring inflation and higher energy bills.”

https://www.ft.com/content/bb58922d-2a40-4aa8-8844-9295c831fc22


nohero said:

Governments taking action, but not the “Leave Russia Alone” kind.

“The German government is to impose a windfall tax on electricity producers and use the proceeds to finance a new €65bn package of relief measures to soften the blow of soaring inflation and higher energy bills.”

https://www.ft.com/content/bb58922d-2a40-4aa8-8844-9295c831fc22

Just like the EU provided financial relief during the pandemic, they can do the same here.

Though maybe not enough to keep the swimming pools heated and the pubs open an extra hour.


terp said:

Nm 

you seem disappointed 


drummerboy said:

nohero said:

Governments taking action, but not the “Leave Russia Alone” kind.

“The German government is to impose a windfall tax on electricity producers and use the proceeds to finance a new €65bn package of relief measures to soften the blow of soaring inflation and higher energy bills.”

https://www.ft.com/content/bb58922d-2a40-4aa8-8844-9295c831fc22

Just like the EU provided financial relief during the pandemic, they can do the same here.

Though maybe not enough to keep the swimming pools heated and the pubs open an extra hour.

There won't be any swimming pools or pubs if this goes on for five to ten years. 


nan said:

jamie said:















I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 



Really?  Americans are going to freeze?  Tell me why. 


cramer said:

nan said:

jamie said:

I do think the Duran is a quality source for geopolitics. They post videos about six times a day.  Posting one here does not demonstrate me getting "riled up."  Where in the video do they say, "Give Vlad what he wants and the gas will flow cheaper?"  Are you in favor of Europe being destroyed for Ukraine?  How about the US?  Are you willing to freeze for a proxy war?  I'm not. 


Really?  Americans are going to freeze?  Tell me why. 

I was talking about Europe.  Maybe read what I wrote next time. 

I did ask Jaime if he was willing to freeze for Ukraine.  That's what the people in Europe are being expected to do.

Are you willing to freeze for Ukraine and to weaken Russia?


nan said:

drummerboy said:

nohero said:

Governments taking action, but not the “Leave Russia Alone” kind.

“The German government is to impose a windfall tax on electricity producers and use the proceeds to finance a new €65bn package of relief measures to soften the blow of soaring inflation and higher energy bills.”

https://www.ft.com/content/bb58922d-2a40-4aa8-8844-9295c831fc22

Just like the EU provided financial relief during the pandemic, they can do the same here.

Though maybe not enough to keep the swimming pools heated and the pubs open an extra hour.

There won't be any swimming pools or pubs if this goes on for five to ten years. 

can't go on that long because Russia will be an economic basket case by then.


nan said:

I was talking about Europe.  Maybe read what I wrote next time. 

I did ask Jaime if he was willing to freeze for Ukraine.  That's what the people in Europe are being expected to do.

Are you willing to freeze for Ukraine and to weaken Russia

Again you seem to not understand the concept of denazifaction - it's on all the putin press releases - you still haven't told me how it's measured and how they can tell nazi from non-nazi.  We'll go no where until proper denazification takes place.

We will all freeze until the nazis are exterminated - so maybe putin can tell us how, where and who needs to be eliminated and we can help out.

I hope he stops using Wagner nazis as well, let me know if he has addressed this.

Or he can tell us what landlines he'll be happy with.  Like theDuran said - they should be in full control of the Dombas at this point in the "war".


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