Roy Moore

marylago said:
 

mtierney said:

since I see frequent mention of my name on this thread, I feel I should make an observation:

Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?

Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?

Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.

Wonder what percentage of males in Congress — of both parties — might yet be brought forth for public chastisement?

Maybe both. His peccadillos were brought to light, but so were his odd politics. I do think that people don't pay attention to politics much, until they are forced to. You know the old saw about sausage and law: Anyone who is a fan of either should never see how they are made.

Some people were willing to overlook his sexual assaults, because they were attracted to his homophobia and religious bigotry.

mtierney said:

since I see frequent mention of my name on this thread, I feel I should make an observation:




Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?

Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?




Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.




Wonder what percentage of males in Congress — of both parties — might yet be brought forth for public chastisement?

Looking at the exit polls, I don't believe the accusations against Moore were the main cause of his defeat.  It was his racism.  He still got about 70% of the white vote, despite the women's allegations. It was African-American turnout that did him in.

He was not a popular candidate even before the allegations were revealed. The allegations of creeping on young teens may have been the last straw.  But black people weren't going to vote for Roy Moore even without hearing those stories.

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/13/doug-jones-alabama-miracle-it-all-came-down-to-turnout/

Can I have your phone number and email address please?  I’d like to go ahead and pre-emptively block you. 

mtierney said:

since I see frequent mention of my name on this thread, I feel I should make an observation:




Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?

Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?




Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.




Wonder what percentage of males in Congress — of both parties — might yet be brought forth for public chastisement?

So mtierney not only staunchly defends Trump, she also defends Moore.  I'm done with her thread now. (And would urge others to stay away from there also.)

mtierney can defend a neo-confederate slavery-apologist law-ignoring constitution-hating pedophile because he's ...

Because why? 

Seriously, what do you have to put on the scale that outweighs that? 

mtierney said:

Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?
Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?

Being an accused pedophile was one reason why he lost - but there's also these quotes:

1. ‘Reds and yellows’
2. 'Maybe Putin is right' with his opposition to gay marriage
3. ‘I was informed' that there are U.S. communities under Sharia law
4. What is a Dreamer? ‘Quit beating around and tell me what it is’
5. 9/11 may have happened ‘because we’ve distanced ourselves from God’
6. 'My personal belief' is that Obama wasn’t born in America
7. Rep. Keith Ellison should be prohibited 'from taking the congressional oath'

jamie said:

mtierney said:

Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?
Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?

Being an accused pedophile was one reason why he lost - but there's also these quotes:

1. ‘Reds and yellows’
2. 'Maybe Putin is right' with his opposition to gay marriage
3. ‘I was informed' that there are U.S. communities under Sharia law
4. What is a Dreamer? ‘Quit beating around and tell me what it is’
5. 9/11 may have happened ‘because we’ve distanced ourselves from God’
6. 'My personal belief' is that Obama wasn’t born in America
7. Rep. Keith Ellison should be prohibited 'from taking the congressional oath'
Were these position worthy of a US Senator in your opinion?  Are you really standing up for the Moore agenda?  Or just trolling us?

A times it seems like trolling considering the many times she does not respond when we try to engage her. She often ignores us and later then repeats the same deplorables.

Or she may not have the capacity capable to respond. She picks up right wing talking points, deplorable memes, to post here. She may not have the understanding to be able to intellectually debate when confronted or engaged.

tom said:

mtierney can defend a neo-confederate slavery-apologist law-ignoring constitution-hating pedophile because he's ...

Because why? 

Seriously, what do you have to put on the scale that outweighs that? 

he's anti-abortion

DaveSchmidt said:

mtierney said:

Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.

It’s either (a) not that hard not to flunk or (b) not that hard not to run for public office.

But the current gotcha cases do not exclude business, entertainment, ballet, orchestra,restaurants and cooking, etc targets. Politicians are easy game. 

BG9 said:

Or she may not have the capacity capable to respond. She picks up right wing talking points, deplorable memes, to post here. She may not have the understanding to be able to intellectually debate when confronted or engaged.

She responds all the time. And her understanding and intellectual ability seem to me more than sufficient to undercut condescension.

mtierney said:

But the current gotcha cases do not exclude business, entertainment, ballet, orchestra,restaurants and cooking, etc targets. Politicians are easy game. 

OK. It’s (a), then.

But seriously, though, it’s the abortion thing. As long as he’s for tin baths and coat hangers, mtierney’s for him.

Aside from 40 years ago, just since the year 2000, Moore managed to get impeached twice as a judge for disobeying higher court rulings and the Constitution:  Once for enforcing bans on homosexuality, ruled unconstitutional; and once for ignoring constitutional church/state prohibitions by refusing to remove the 10 Commandments from the courthouse.  So, in addition to Moore's pedophilia, racism, homophobia, and birtherism, his professional career has been been tarnished by his arrogance and refusal to follow the law as a sitting judge, resulting in his impeachment.  Not many of us can match that level of unfitness in either our private or public lives.

ridski said:

But seriously, though, it’s the abortion thing. As long as he’s for tin baths and coat hangers, she’s for him.

But its a little bit the child molestation too.  Mtierney never saw a conservative child molester, be he a priest or a politician, that she didn't immediately fall in love with.

mtierney said:

Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.

I remember my 30s perfectly well and I am damn sure that I NEVER EVER hit on, let alone sexually assaulted a 14 year old. Not attacking 14 year old girls wasn't hard, it actually required no effort whatsoever. To be honest, sexually assaulting a 14 year old would be one of the hardest things I can imagine.  I seriously do not think I could do it. I'd take the bullet, lose the hand, whatever it was that they were threatening me with, it wouldn't be enough.

DaveSchmidt said:

BG9 said:

Or she may not have the capacity capable to respond. She picks up right wing talking points, deplorable memes, to post here. She may not have the understanding to be able to intellectually debate when confronted or engaged.

She responds all the time. And her understanding and intellectual ability seem to me more than sufficient to undercut condescension.

Actually, she responds very rarely. She's been asked often to respond and we usually get zip, as I and other have commented here. The few times she does respond often is dribble.

Anyone who constantly spouts the dribble and bs she does, is not in my opinion sufficient. It seems in your case there is sufficiency in Trump/Bannon juvenile logic. So, your standard of sufficiency differs from mine.

You should think twice before publicly accusing anyone of condescension. Maybe what I posted was truth, not fake.

BG9 said:

You should think twice before publicly accusing anyone of condescension.

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The trick is to think a third time.

Klinker said:

mtierney said:

Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.

I remember my 30s perfectly well and I am damn sure that I NEVER EVER hit on, let alone sexually assaulted a 14 year old. Not attacking 14 year old girls wasn't hard, it actually required no effort whatsoever. To be honest, sexually assaulting a 14 year old would be one of the hardest things I can imagine.  I seriously do not think I could do it. I'd take the bullet, lose the hand, whatever it was that they were threatening me with, it wouldn't be enough.

Attempting to equate Moore's conduct with every other male, is, depraved.

Imagine being in the 30's and hitting on a 14 year old. If he succeeded it would be statutory rape. Or was it just necking and cuddling he was after? 

No matter what age, my peers and I would never do anything like that. Anyone admitting it or found doing so would have been cast out with "what the F is wrong with him?". 

BG9 said:

Klinker said:

mtierney said:

Every male this morning should examine his conscience and, if old enough, remember back 40 years and check if there were moments you acted, thought, or said anything that might flunk public scrunity today.

I remember my 30s perfectly well and I am damn sure that I NEVER EVER hit on, let alone sexually assaulted a 14 year old. Not attacking 14 year old girls wasn't hard, it actually required no effort whatsoever. To be honest, sexually assaulting a 14 year old would be one of the hardest things I can imagine.  I seriously do not think I could do it. I'd take the bullet, lose the hand, whatever it was that they were threatening me with, it wouldn't be enough.

Attempting to equate Moore's conduct with every other male, is, depraved.

Imagine being in the 30's and hitting on a 14 year old. If he succeeded it would be statutory rape. Or was it just necking and cuddling he was after? 

No matter what age, my peers and I would never do anything like that. Anyone admitting it or found doing so would have been cast out with "what the F is wrong with him?". 

"And the walls come tumbilin down"

Klinker said:



But its a little bit the child molestation too.  Mtierney never saw a conservative child molester, be he a priest or a politician, that she didn't immediately fall in love with.

But Jesus did say, "Suffer the little children."

Not long ago, Mtierney was dripping with righteous indignation about how Clinton had sex with a woman his daughter's age.  I believe Lewinsky was 22 or 23 at the time of the aforementioned sex.  I guess 14 is to young to inspire such indignation.  Or maybe its just situational ethics.

jamie said:

mtierney said:

Did Moore lose the election due to allegations re behavior 40 years ago.?
Or did he lose because his political positions were rejected by the voters ?

Being an accused pedophile was one reason why he lost - but there's also these quotes:

1. ‘Reds and yellows’
2. 'Maybe Putin is right' with his opposition to gay marriage
3. ‘I was informed' that there are U.S. communities under Sharia law
4. What is a Dreamer? ‘Quit beating around and tell me what it is’
5. 9/11 may have happened ‘because we’ve distanced ourselves from God’
6. 'My personal belief' is that Obama wasn’t born in America
7. Rep. Keith Ellison should be prohibited 'from taking the congressional oath'
Were these position worthy of a US Senator in your opinion?  Are you really standing up for the Moore agenda?  Or just trolling us?

My guess is that mtierney does not see the relevance and importance of these questions, and that will be the reason she does not answer them. On the other hand, it would great if she proves me wrong.

To rephrase, the stuff jamie cites is reprehensible. How is it that you don't find it reprehensible? Why was slavery OK? Why should a Muslim not be allowed to serve in Congress? Why excuse Moore for believing there is sharia law here in the US? Why is it OK for Moore to believe Obama was not born here, and how is that not a racist view? Why is discrimination against queer people tolerable?

Do you have any reasonable answers to these questions?

Please confine arguments with or about mtierney, if you must have such arguments, to her thread. I would like to continue participating in this one (which I started).

Thank you.

ridski said:

But seriously, though, it’s the abortion thing. As long as he’s for tin baths and coat hangers, she’s for him.

Umm, who is the “he”? I presume the “she” is not the cat’s mother, but me.

Morganna said:

Klinker said:

When will Jones take office?

McConnell said the new Senator would be sworn in after the New Year. So they are trying to get the tax vote without him.

I believe Alabama needs to certify the election. Which will not happen before the final congressional tax vote.

Each of the 67 counties will have until December 22 to report the results to the Alabama secretary of state's office.
After receiving the results, the State Canvassing Board -- which includes the governor, secretary of state and attorney general -- will have until January 3 to certify them. Alabama law requires at least two of the three members to be present for the certification.
The secretary of state's office told CNN before the election they expect to certify the results between December 27-29. That is contingent upon every county reporting their results on time. The office noted that a delay from one of the 67 counties could delay final certification.

ps - they can't do DACA, immigration reform, infrastructure. But when it comes to further enriching the rich its full steam ahead.

mtierney said:

ridski said:

But seriously, though, it’s the abortion thing. As long as he’s for tin baths and coat hangers, she’s for him.

Umm, who is the “he”? I presume the “she” is not the cat’s mother, but me.

You’re right. I’ve corrected the original post.

I think what she was trying to say, and I'm not defending her at all because I actually find it odd she would bother to defend the indefensible, is that what Moore did 40 years ago should have no bearing on the man he is today. If that's her drift, it's still wrong. Moore didn't feel up, attack or rape a girl 40 years ago ONE TIME and with punishment and commitment to change, he stopped being that man. He attacked many times, over many years with many girls. He has never changed. If he's no longer attacking young women/girls it's only because they'd Snapchat his butt or Tweet about their creepy encounter with him. 

And yes, it was his racism but IMO, the pedophilia outweighed the racism. Women voters can stomach a lot: infidelity, alcoholism/drugs and being a racist but when it comes to an adult man coercing or raping a 14 year old, they draw the line. 

kibbegirl said:

Women voters can stomach a lot: infidelity, alcoholism/drugs and being a racist but when it comes to an adult man coercing or raping a 14 year old, they draw the line. 

What?  Imagine if a man had made a post like this.