Police Officer Punches Woman While Arresting Her

I saw the police bodycam video. 

She did acted up but I did not see her assault the cops. She was the one assaulted when they grabbed her, threw her down and then assaulted her even though they had her secured.

Bodycam

ridski said:
Cops body cam footage, btw.
https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

It's depressing how many of the comments are something on the order of "she should have followed orders."  

BG9 said:
I saw the police bodycam video. 
She did acted up but I did not see her assault the cops. She was the one assaulted when they grabbed her, threw her down and then assaulted her even though they had her secured.
Bodycam

"protect and serve."  There is literally neither of those in that video.

BG9 said:
I saw the police bodycam video. 
She did acted up but I did not see her assault the cops. She was the one assaulted when they grabbed her, threw her down and then assaulted her even though they had her secured.
Bodycam

Wow, the police should be really proud of their actions.  As she's walking away, one of the cops clearly says "you're about to get dropped."   Then right before he punches her, the cop says "that's it!"

Instead of de-escalating the situation, the cops went from zero to 100 in about 30 seconds.

ridski said:
Cops body cam footage, btw.
https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

 Thank you for posting that. I have a confession.

Until I saw that video I "assumed" the woman was Black.

Anyway, I do not understand the breathilizer.. Driving while intoxicated is a crime. Sunbathing while intoxicated is not. Possession of alcohol by one under the age of 21 is a minor offense which subjects one to a fine of $500.00.

Being a total jerk, like this lady was, is not a crime, but refusing to give the Cops her full name meant they had to arrest her. Otherwise they could have issued a Summons.

In any event there was no need to punch her.

A properly trained Officer would have handled the matter differently.

BG9 said:
I saw the police bodycam video. 
She did acted up but I did not see her assault the cops. She was the one assaulted when they grabbed her, threw her down and then assaulted her even though they had her secured.
Bodycam

 She was a total assh*le. She even spit at them. But that was no excuse for their conduct.

They could have just said "Alcohol is not allowed on the Beach. We have to give you a Summons. You can pay the fine or fight it in Court. If you do not give us your full name then, instead of a Summons, we will have to arrest you".

Solomon said:

BG9 said:
I saw the police bodycam video. 
She did acted up but I did not see her assault the cops. She was the one assaulted when they grabbed her, threw her down and then assaulted her even though they had her secured.
Bodycam

 She was a total assh*le. She even spit at them. But that was no excuse for their conduct.
They could have just said "Alcohol is not allowed on the Beach. We have to give you a Summons. You can pay the fine or fight it in Court. If you do not give us your full name then, instead of a Summons, we will have to arrest you".

Not an excuse, but she didn't spit at them until after she was tackled, punched, and cuffed. I don't want people to think the cops used the spitting as justification to tackle her.

She did not handle the situation well, this is clear.  But the cops are supposed to be the trained professionals in this situation, they weren't.

If I were the Wildwood mayor, I would be thinking hard about how to manage my police force for the rest of the summer.

it seems that what set at least one of the cops off was her asking them if they didn't have anything better to do.  Most people are too intimidated to say that to a cop, but it's a valid question.  Does the town of Wildwood have anything better for their cops to do than bust people for having unopened alcoholic beverages with them?  Open containers, underage drinking and the like are quality of life infractions that are worth enforcing. But going around checking in people's bags and telling them to pour out unopened bottles?  That seems petty. 

It is petty, but it's also a really dumb thing to say to a cop. I'm not excusing the cop's behavior whatsoever. It's just not the right moment to say that, and I've thought it many times.

I watched both videos. From what I can tell she was on the beach minding her own business. She was obviously uncomfortable as they were staring at her and she was adjusting her bathing suit. She passed the breathalyzer, they made her take it again. She was upset. She might be an *** but they're power hungry blank blank blanks. 

Maybe they should focus on drunk driving or other visibly impaired behavior instead of tackling and punching young women sunbathing. 

And do you hear the guy's voice? He's out of control. 

A bit shy of fifty years ago, friends and I were having a beach party when two of New York's Finest approach.

One of the officers reminds us that fires aren't allowed on the beach. One of us (quite tongue-in-cheek) points out that the fire isn't on the beach, but rather, the coals are well contained in a grill. Cops chuckle, shaking their heads.

A few more back-and-forths regarding the other City ordinances we're violating (there were several); and everybody is still smiling.

Officer gets to the beer and asks if everybody is eighteen or more; and one young lady, holding a can of cola, says she's seventeen. Officer asks again regarding the rest of our ages, and checks three or four IDs.

Officers tell us not to get stupid; to keep the area as clean as we had been keeping it thus far; and that they would be back at about midnight.

We packed up about 11:30, leaving the beach clean, but for the trash cans full of our debris.

The moral of this story:

When you get caught; don't poke the bear.

If LEO's intervention is in no way, shape or form justified; don't poke the bear; unless, of course, you're trying to make some profound statement.

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With regard to the young woman in Wildwood; she was wrong. She should have given her name and taken the summons or warning. If it was to be a summons, the aunt could have fessed up and taken the summons for the Twisted Tea on the beach.

With regard to LEO punching her; I'm gonna leave that decision to the Wildwood P.D., and the County Prosecutor's office.

But some food for thought. The young woman was resisting: should LEO have drawn his firearm; his baton; his pepper spray (if he carries any); chased her down the beach until she got tired? It's pretty obvious that he was unable to force compliance without some level of bodily injury. I am glad that the young woman seemed unharmed when placed in LEO's vehicle.

Go back to the moral of the story.

TomR

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

 Thank you for posting that. I have a confession. Until I saw that video I "assumed" the woman was Black. Anyway, I do not understand the breathilizer.. Driving while intoxicated is a crime. Sunbathing while intoxicated is not. Possession of alcohol by one under the age of 21 is a minor offense which subjects one to a fine of $500.00. Being a total jerk, like this lady was, is not a crime, but refusing to give the Cops her full name meant they had to arrest her. Otherwise they could have issued a Summons. In any event there was no need to punch her. A properly trained Officer would have handled the matter differently.

 I've seen one idea posted several times now- the requirement that you give your name and/or ID when you're detained by a police officer.

You should of course check for yourself but I'm pretty sure that when and if you're stopped by a policemen on the street in NJ you do not have to give your name. You only have to provide your name and present your ID if the officer informs you that you are in violation of a law that will result in a summons right then and there or that you are being arrested. 

Traffic stops are a different matter.

If having alcohol on the beach was a crime the officers should have informed her of this and either written her a summons or informed her that she was under arrest. If she passed a breathalyzer test (twice?) and the officers didn't inform her that they were going to give her a summons or detain (arrest) her for some other infraction, then the interaction should have been concluded. 

Being rude or a jackass is not against the law and common sense suggests that arguing with an armed person is not a good idea. However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

Additionally, it's fairly obvious that in conversation with their captain the PO's were revising what had actually transpired to create the idea that they were kicked and attacked first and then they moved to subdue. That idea wasn't supported by what I saw on the body cam or the phone recording. 

@Tom_R

What's the advice for when the bear just runs up and bites your ***?

Fifty years ago lots of cops went on the job directly from the military- mostly Vietnam. They had a whole different idea about what was and what wasn't worth getting excited about.

What summons was being written? I never heard any definitive charge stated by either officer. The only action I hear being requested is that the cop with the pad go and retrieve her so they could make her pour the alcohol out.  Not much of this seems to be by the book.

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

wassup?

flimbro said:

Fifty years ago lots of cops went on the job directly from the military- mostly Vietnam. They had a whole different idea about what was and what wasn't worth getting excited about.

 Finally, some good that comes out of war.

Red_Barchetta said:

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

 I can't believe you can't believe that cops should be held to a higher standard than any 20 year old dope hanging out on the beach.

Tom_R said:

The moral of this story:
When you get caught; don't poke the bear.

 Caught doing what?

ridski said:

Tom_R said:

The moral of this story:
When you get caught; don't poke the bear.

 Caught doing what?

not being drunk on the beach

ml1 said:

Red_Barchetta said:

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

 I can't believe you can't believe that cops should be held to a higher standard than any 20 year old dope hanging out on the beach.

 OMFG.  There is ideal and there is practice.  Is it your experience or observation that cops are held to a higher standard?  If they were how many tens of thousands of posts would not have been made here over the years?  

Red_Barchetta said:

ml1 said:

Red_Barchetta said:

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

 I can't believe you can't believe that cops should be held to a higher standard than any 20 year old dope hanging out on the beach.

 OMFG.  There is ideal and there is practice.  Is it your experience or observation that cops are held to a higher standard?  If they were how many tens of thousands of posts would not have been made here over the years?  

I totally agree that cops haven't generally been held to that standard.  I thought your response was that they shouldn't be.

Red_Barchetta said:

ml1 said:

Red_Barchetta said:

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

 I can't believe you can't believe that cops should be held to a higher standard than any 20 year old dope hanging out on the beach.

 OMFG.  There is ideal and there is practice.  Is it your experience or observation that cops are held to a higher standard?  If they were how many tens of thousands of posts would not have been made here over the years?  

 Whatchu talkin’ bout Red_Barchetta?

flimbro said:

Red_Barchetta said:

ml1 said:

Red_Barchetta said:

flimbro said:

LOST said:

ridski said: Cops body cam footage, btw. https://youtu.be/PQQ9xOhuFrk

However, in any interaction with the public I think we have to remember that the armed law enforcement professional whose been given the authority to take life will always have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.

I can’t believe you just wrote that.   

 I can't believe you can't believe that cops should be held to a higher standard than any 20 year old dope hanging out on the beach.

 OMFG.  There is ideal and there is practice.  Is it your experience or observation that cops are held to a higher standard?  If they were how many tens of thousands of posts would not have been made here over the years?  

 Whatchu talkin’ bout Red_Barchetta?

 ‘We have to remember... have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.’  

I don’t understand the point of a statement like this; particularly coming from a person of color.   It’s like saying people shouldn’t text while driving, or shouldn’t cheat on their taxes.  It’s a whisper on a scream.  

Of course cops, elected officials, business leaders, etc should be held to a higher standard.  I would say that the conventional wisdom is that they are not.  It’s pretty clear that SLM does not believe that cops are held to a higher standard.  From reading your posts I get the impression that you have a similar outlook.  I feel like every few days I read about outragious behavior by cops which wind up going unpunished.  

It just seemed like a fruitless statement to make in my opinion.  Are you proposing some action to make the reality (or the perception of it - perhaps cops are being held accountable for their actions but this fact is overwhelmed by the sensation of the crime) come closer to the ideal?

If only these young ladies were 12 miles offshore, Maritime law would prevail.

Red_Barchetta said:

 ‘We have to remember... have to be held to much higher standards and expectations.’  
I don’t understand the point of a statement like this; particularly coming from a person of color.   It’s like saying people shouldn’t text while driving, or shouldn’t cheat on their taxes.  It’s a whisper on a scream.  


Of course cops, elected officials, business leaders, etc should be held to a higher standard.  I would say that the conventional wisdom is that they are not.  It’s pretty clear that SLM does not believe that cops are held to a higher standard.  From reading your posts I get the impression that you have a similar outlook.  I feel like every few days I read about outragious behavior by cops which wind up going unpunished.  


It just seemed like a fruitless statement to make in my opinion.  Are you proposing some action to make the reality (or the perception of it - perhaps cops are being held accountable for their actions but this fact is overwhelmed by the sensation of the crime) come closer to the ideal?

Hmm. Lots of ways to come at this. I'll keep it simple and as polite as I can.

I think you're working through some shite that you'll probably have to handle on your own. If you really want to pick a fight you have to be a whole lot clearer about what your actual beef is. This isn't the BOE Lawson-Muhammad thread. If you're still hung up on that then arrange a meet up with the rest of the Great Disgruntled and strategize- light some candles, perform skits, chant, cry/rant-  whatever.

What I said here about cops was pretty straightforward and at it's base has nothing to do with anything else other than being vigilant about self defense, civil rights and human rights. 

Cops serve at the pleasure and in the service of whoever is in power. So if you're not a criminal and you  get beat, raped, shot, choked, stalked or harassed by cops it's because you and your rights are of little importance to the mayor, village president, board of commissioners or whoever negotiates the law enforcement contract where you live. 

Cops can also kill you legally so they have to be watched closely and regulated (by the public when and if possible.)      

That's it. 

That idea may be banal to you, tantamount to 'don't text while driving', but I guarantee that the young woman who took those two good shots to the head from a man with a gun will never think about cops the same way again- not on the beach, not in her home, not at her job or while driving in her car.

I’m neither looking to pick a fight nor working through anything.  Does anyone here - whether they find themselves supporting the beachgoer or the police believe that police are in practice held to a higher standard?  Again, do you?  I just found it odd that a person such as yourself who has described being abused by police would make such a statement.

ETA:  i agree that this woman will never think the same about cops again.  Do you believe  this experience will enhance or detract from any belief she has that cops are being held to a higher standard?  

Red_Barchetta said:
I’m neither looking to pick a fight nor working through anything.  Does anyone here - whether they find themselves supporting the beachgoer or the police believe that police are in practice held to a higher standard?  Again, do you?  I just found it odd that a person such as yourself who has described being abused by police would make such a statement.


ETA:  i agree that this woman will never think the same about cops again.  Do you believe  this experience will enhance or detract from any belief she has that cops are being held to a higher standard?  

Wow

I am not saying the police are held to a

higher standard. 

I am not saying the police are held to a higher standard 

I am not saying the police are held to a higher standard

I am saying the police SHOULD be held to a higher standard

 I am saying the police SHOULD be held to a higher standard

 I am saying the police SHOULD be held to a higher standard

Got it?

They aren’t held to a higher standard and they should be.

Why?

Because they can kill you, that’s why. 

For all avoidance of doubt:

http://www.englishbaby.com/vocab/word/12108/hold-to-a-higher-standard

The belligerence here is bizarre.  You guys seem to be in violent agreement.  Cops should be held to a higher standard.

Bizarre is good. Also maybe crazy as hell.

I intended no belligerence in any of my posts.  If it was perceived to be there I apologize for not being more clear.   I believe Flimbro and I are in agreement; hopefully not violent.