Obama Delivers Killlllller Speech In Iowa Tonight (5/20) archived
Puts on some Springsteen as the speech ends. Gotta like that. :thumbup:
The next song was Stevie Wonder's "Signed, Sealed, Delivered". What could that mean? :wink:
The next song was Stevie Wonder's "Signed, Sealed, Delivered". What could that mean? :wink:
"Signed, Sealed, Delivered" is to the Obama campaign what "Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow" was to the Clintons.
If you watch Obama rallies as much as I have, and even attend them, you will be singing "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" in your sleep!!
If you watch Obama rallies as much as I have, and even attend them, you will be singing "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" in your sleep!!
May 20, 2008 at 6:32pm Edited
Posted By: Elijah"Signed, Sealed, Delivered" is to the Obama campaign what "Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow" was to the Clintons.
If you watch Obama rallies as much as I have, and even attend them, you will be singing "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" in your sleep!!
Okay, I thought it might of had something to do with counting those people who have that title that starts with "D" and ends with "elegate". :wink:
Well my official Sbenois Political Speech Meter says that the delivery was extra sharp, extra sincere, and seemed to go beyond the usual fluff. There was a level of confidence that was well above the already high level he typically offers up.
In one of the debates I reviewed here a few months ago I said he looked Presidential. Tonight, he FELT Presidential.
In one of the debates I reviewed here a few months ago I said he looked Presidential. Tonight, he FELT Presidential.
May 20, 2008 at 6:36pm Edited
Re: Signed, sealed, delivered.
Well, it's been a co-opted hymn for the Obama campaign all along, that really fit the situation tonight.
Sorry to post over you, Sbenois.
Obama got 80% of the white vote tonight.
Well, it's been a co-opted hymn for the Obama campaign all along, that really fit the situation tonight.
Sorry to post over you, Sbenois.
Obama got 80% of the white vote tonight.
Posted By: ElijahRe: Signed, sealed, delivered.
Well, it's been a co-opted hymn for the Obama campaign all along, that really fit the situation tonight.
Sorry to post over you, Sbenois.
Obama got 80% of the white vote tonight.
Not in Kentucky.
I think the song Signed, Sealed, Delivered is his arrogant way of saying it's over, I won. His praise for Hillary is bull*****. He's only saying those things so that her supporters will vote for him. The joke is on him, most aren't going to. :rolling:
What a glorious day in Florida today. All 3 candidates are here. I'm glad Hillary will be here to overshadow their visits.
May 21, 2008 at 2:44am Edited
Posted By: fed123Can someone post a video when one is available? No TV in this house.
YouTube link to video (official)
Transcript
I agree with Sbenois - Obama upped his game and his remarks (and delivery) were definitely on a higher, more energized and more confident level. I was glad that I stayed up to watch.
Posted By: cfaHe's only saying those things so that her supporters will vote for him. The joke is on him, most aren't going to.
Can I come over and play in your dimension?
Posted By: project37Posted By: fed123Can someone post a video when one is available? No TV in this house.
YouTube link to video (official)
Transcript
I agree with Sbenois - Obama upped his game and his remarks (and delivery) were definitely on a higher, more energized and more confident level. I was glad that I stayed up to watch.
Posted By: cfaHe's only saying those things so that her supporters will vote for him. The joke is on him, most aren't going to.
Can I come over and play in your dimension?
Sure. You can play with me. Are you a Hillary supporter? Do you get e-mails from her network? Do you get e-mails from Hillary supporters from all over the country? If not, you know squat!
Posted By: cfa
Are you a Hillary supporter? Do you get e-mails from her network? Do you get e-mails from Hillary supporters from all over the country? If not, you know squat!
1) I was, but that changed several months ago. I am still a supporter of the Democratic party.
2) I still subscribe to her official website's RSS feed and get and read all of the news from her campaign on a daily basis.
3) No, but then I don't get them from Obama supporters either.
4) I have a preferred candidate in Obama, but as a party supporter, I'm equally interested in how and what both of my candidates are doing. I'd say that since I don't flat-out dismiss one in favor of the other, I know a bit more than "squat."
How about you?
Yes, great speech that by Obama! He nailed it on the "change" motif.
What I thought was interesting was how the media pundits finally came around to discussing race and racism in the primaries, an analysis that was lacking when PA and WV were being discussed. Looks like Obama may make an half-hearted attempt in the Appalachian states in the general election but I highly doubt he will be appeal to "rural, white voters."
What I thought was interesting was how the media pundits finally came around to discussing race and racism in the primaries, an analysis that was lacking when PA and WV were being discussed. Looks like Obama may make an half-hearted attempt in the Appalachian states in the general election but I highly doubt he will be appeal to "rural, white voters."
Re the racial angle - there are 2 potential VP candidates for the Obama ticket that both could bring voters in that might otherwise sit it out or vote for McCain:
1) Bill Richardson - despite Carvillean nonsense, he's an old Clinton guy, has tons of foreign policy experience, and is a Latino. Latinos have been one of the few demographics that Obama hasn't made big inroads with.
2) Wesley Clark - another Clinton hand, he's a Southern White Guy, the demographic that everyone in Hillary's camp is crowing about (as if they were the only demo that counted). He's also got good foreign policy experience, having been Supreme NATO commander, and is up on a lot of domestic stuff via his 2004 presidential campaign.
Either one would make a fine VP, and I wouldn't lose any sleep over either of them being "One heartbeat from the Presidency."
January 2009 - Obama in the White House, 255 D's/ 180 R's in the House, 57 D's/ 42 R's in the Senate. Let's bag Harry Reid, shall we? Hillary for Senate Majority Leader! (plus we'll finally be able to cut Lieberman loose - let him hang with McConnell & Co. if he likes them so much)
1) Bill Richardson - despite Carvillean nonsense, he's an old Clinton guy, has tons of foreign policy experience, and is a Latino. Latinos have been one of the few demographics that Obama hasn't made big inroads with.
2) Wesley Clark - another Clinton hand, he's a Southern White Guy, the demographic that everyone in Hillary's camp is crowing about (as if they were the only demo that counted). He's also got good foreign policy experience, having been Supreme NATO commander, and is up on a lot of domestic stuff via his 2004 presidential campaign.
Either one would make a fine VP, and I wouldn't lose any sleep over either of them being "One heartbeat from the Presidency."
January 2009 - Obama in the White House, 255 D's/ 180 R's in the House, 57 D's/ 42 R's in the Senate. Let's bag Harry Reid, shall we? Hillary for Senate Majority Leader! (plus we'll finally be able to cut Lieberman loose - let him hang with McConnell & Co. if he likes them so much)
Jim Webb is another choice for Obama. Southern, working class, rehabilatated Rebulican, former Sec of Navy. Richardson doesn't need to be on the ticket for Obama to get the Latino vote. Clark would make for a good candidate ideally but Obama has made it clear that he doesn't need a VP who has foreign policy experience. Guess it doesn't really send a strong message about the main candidate himself. Couldn't agree more about Hillary being Senate majority leader.
May 21, 2008 at 4:41am Edited
I SAID it was the Appalachian vote!!! It's not the "white working-class" as Hillary said, it's the Appalachian culture. They cannot trust an African American, but if they were to meet Barack, and listen to him, they would start to appreciate him.
You can see that it's not the "white" vote, it's the "Appalachian white vote." Thank you, Nora O'Donnell for calling a spade a spade. I am so glad the media finally deal with it.
In a town like Easton, PA. "White working class" is not the demographic. It's cultural. It's historic. Obama needs to come out to West Va, to PA, to Wheeling (!), to Louisville, to Little Rock, to Kentucky, and try to connect.
My Obama associate was tasked with working in W.Va for Obama. She was told that if she tried to campaign for him there, it would be dangerous. It was. So, Obama has to VERY CAREFULLY, with secret service in close contact, reach out to Appalachian white folks, and try to connect.
And I like "Reformed Republican" for describing Senator Webb!
You can see that it's not the "white" vote, it's the "Appalachian white vote." Thank you, Nora O'Donnell for calling a spade a spade. I am so glad the media finally deal with it.
In a town like Easton, PA. "White working class" is not the demographic. It's cultural. It's historic. Obama needs to come out to West Va, to PA, to Wheeling (!), to Louisville, to Little Rock, to Kentucky, and try to connect.
My Obama associate was tasked with working in W.Va for Obama. She was told that if she tried to campaign for him there, it would be dangerous. It was. So, Obama has to VERY CAREFULLY, with secret service in close contact, reach out to Appalachian white folks, and try to connect.
And I like "Reformed Republican" for describing Senator Webb!
If it was a great speech, it does not make for even a good President.
Did he stick to facts?
***
Barack Obama: Gaffe machine
Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008
All it takes is one gaffe to taint a Republican for life. The political establishment never let Dan Quayle live down his fateful misspelling of potatoe. The New York Times distorted and misreported the first President Bushs questions about new scanner technology at a grocers convention to brand him permanently as out of touch.
But what about Barack Obama? The guys a perpetual gaffe machine. Let us count the ways, large and small, that his tongue has betrayed him throughout the campaign:
* Last May, he claimed that Kansas tornadoes killed a whopping 10,000 people: In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died an entire town destroyed. The actual death toll: 12.
*Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: Over the last 15 months, weve traveled to every corner of the United States. Ive now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.
*Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, South Dakota audience, Obama exulted: Thank you Sioux City I said it wrong. Ive been in Iowa for too long. Im sorry.
*Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So its not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle. On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
*Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Alabama, he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was speaking metaphorically about the civil rights movement as a whole.
*Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by honing in on a lack of translators: We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then its harder for us to use them in Afghanistan. The real reason its harder for us to use them in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
*Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multi-billion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear waste clean-up:
Heres something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that Im not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I dont know exactly whats going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you Ill learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that hes voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the costs, schedules, and technical issues dealing with the nations most contaminated nuclear waste site.
*Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obamas Dreams from My Father:
Then, theres the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs dont exist, say the magazines own historians.
* And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesnt pose a serious threat to uscluelessly arguing that tiny countries with small defense budgets cant do us harm and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, Ive made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.
Barack Obamapromoted by the Left and the media as an all-knowing, articulate, transcendent Messiahis a walking, talking gaffe machine. How many more passes does he get? How many more can we afford?
Did he stick to facts?
***
Barack Obama: Gaffe machine
Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008
All it takes is one gaffe to taint a Republican for life. The political establishment never let Dan Quayle live down his fateful misspelling of potatoe. The New York Times distorted and misreported the first President Bushs questions about new scanner technology at a grocers convention to brand him permanently as out of touch.
But what about Barack Obama? The guys a perpetual gaffe machine. Let us count the ways, large and small, that his tongue has betrayed him throughout the campaign:
* Last May, he claimed that Kansas tornadoes killed a whopping 10,000 people: In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died an entire town destroyed. The actual death toll: 12.
*Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: Over the last 15 months, weve traveled to every corner of the United States. Ive now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.
*Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, South Dakota audience, Obama exulted: Thank you Sioux City I said it wrong. Ive been in Iowa for too long. Im sorry.
*Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So its not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle. On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
*Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Alabama, he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was speaking metaphorically about the civil rights movement as a whole.
*Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by honing in on a lack of translators: We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then its harder for us to use them in Afghanistan. The real reason its harder for us to use them in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
*Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multi-billion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear waste clean-up:
Heres something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that Im not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I dont know exactly whats going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you Ill learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that hes voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the costs, schedules, and technical issues dealing with the nations most contaminated nuclear waste site.
*Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obamas Dreams from My Father:
Then, theres the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs dont exist, say the magazines own historians.
* And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesnt pose a serious threat to uscluelessly arguing that tiny countries with small defense budgets cant do us harm and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, Ive made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.
Barack Obamapromoted by the Left and the media as an all-knowing, articulate, transcendent Messiahis a walking, talking gaffe machine. How many more passes does he get? How many more can we afford?
Quoting Michelle Malkin on ANY subject automatically disqualifies your comments from serious consideration
Malkin alert!
When are we going to start hearing some pro-McCain stuff from the likes of CFA, jdanrove and Michelle Malkin?
When are we going to start hearing some pro-McCain stuff from the likes of CFA, jdanrove and Michelle Malkin?
Posted By: jeffmarkelQuoting Michelle Malkin on ANY subject automatically disqualifies your comments from serious consideration
You don't like the message, so you attack the messenger.
Did you find any errors in Malkin's column?
I tried to listen to his speech with an open mind, but in the end his speech made him sound to me like a rabble-rousing, ultra-left-wing hippie, and it concerns me. While many in our community, myself included, might agree with his anti-insurance company, anti-housing lender, anti-corporation, anti-military, anti-oil, pro-youth and pro-revolutionary sentiments, it is a bit narrow-minded and arrogant not to consider that they might be misconstrued as naive, impractical and costly by the average American. His Revolution 101 closing statements also furthered the notion that he is only interested in the big, popular, superstar types of changes, rather than the small policy changes that more directly affect the lives of average Americans. I hope he doesn't continue down this ultra-glorious, ultra-liberal road, because it is pragmatic centrism that wins general elections.
another messenger, with just the facts and a sense of humor - and some knowledge of Broadway show lyrics:
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
Moving Barackwards [Mark Steyn]
Byron's analysis of the Clinton/Obama numbers is very sound, but I wonder if in dividing primary season into quarters he doesn't miss a cruder point: For the last three months, Mrs Clinton has been deemed to be in trouble and been urged ever more frantically to pack it in and get the hell out. Yet the more Senator Obama has been the nominee presumptive, the more Democrat voters have refused to warm up to him. In Kentucky, he lost not just the usual groups by the usual margins - white working-class men by a gazillion per cent, etc - but Mrs Clinton also won college graduates and "the young": two groups allegedly especially star-struck by the Obamessiah.
There's no precedent in modern primary history for a candidate growing weaker* the more his nomination becomes inevitable. His boast of finally getting a majority of pledged delegates - or whatever cockamie Democrat arithmetical milestone he reached last night - felt like a steam train running out of coal. He's still moving uphill, just about, but ever slower ...and slower ...and slo..w...er.
If I were a party bigwig, I'd be unnerved by some of these numbers. The media have fallen for Senator Obama, but the louder they trill "I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love with a wonderful guy!", the more Democratic voters refuse to singalong.
By the way, if Hillary had been campaigning the way she's doing now this time last year instead of doing the queenlier-than-thou Barbra Streisand routine, she'd have won.
[UPDATE: *Poorly phrased: I should have said there's no precedent for a candidate getting "so weak". Obviously, presumptive nominees from Mondale to Dole managed to frost up the base as primary season wore on - but not to this degree, and not to the point where 50% of Democrat primary voters in Kentucky tell pollsters they wouldn't vote for Obama in November.]
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
Moving Barackwards [Mark Steyn]
Byron's analysis of the Clinton/Obama numbers is very sound, but I wonder if in dividing primary season into quarters he doesn't miss a cruder point: For the last three months, Mrs Clinton has been deemed to be in trouble and been urged ever more frantically to pack it in and get the hell out. Yet the more Senator Obama has been the nominee presumptive, the more Democrat voters have refused to warm up to him. In Kentucky, he lost not just the usual groups by the usual margins - white working-class men by a gazillion per cent, etc - but Mrs Clinton also won college graduates and "the young": two groups allegedly especially star-struck by the Obamessiah.
There's no precedent in modern primary history for a candidate growing weaker* the more his nomination becomes inevitable. His boast of finally getting a majority of pledged delegates - or whatever cockamie Democrat arithmetical milestone he reached last night - felt like a steam train running out of coal. He's still moving uphill, just about, but ever slower ...and slower ...and slo..w...er.
If I were a party bigwig, I'd be unnerved by some of these numbers. The media have fallen for Senator Obama, but the louder they trill "I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love with a wonderful guy!", the more Democratic voters refuse to singalong.
By the way, if Hillary had been campaigning the way she's doing now this time last year instead of doing the queenlier-than-thou Barbra Streisand routine, she'd have won.
[UPDATE: *Poorly phrased: I should have said there's no precedent for a candidate getting "so weak". Obviously, presumptive nominees from Mondale to Dole managed to frost up the base as primary season wore on - but not to this degree, and not to the point where 50% of Democrat primary voters in Kentucky tell pollsters they wouldn't vote for Obama in November.]
Posted By: jdranoveanother messenger, with just the facts and a sense of humor - and some knowledge of Broadway show lyrics: ...
Somehow, the words "Mark Steyn" and "sense of humor" really don't belong in the same sentence.
Besides, if he really had some facility with Broadway lyrics, he would have taken a song from earlier in "South Pacific", as a theme for Senator Clinton -
When the skies are brighter canary yellow
I forget ev'ry cloud I've ever seen,
So they called me a cockeyed optimist
Immature and incurably green.
I have heard people rant and rave and bellow
That we're done and we might as well be dead,
But I'm only a cockeyed optimist
And I can't get it into my head.
And as for the rest of the Steyn/Malkin etc. crew, a few verses of "You've Got to Be Carefully Taught" would apply.
"I tried to listen to his speech with an open mind, but in the end his speech made him sound to me like a rabble-rousing, ultra-left-wing hippie, and it concerns me."
He was speaking to his political base. Expect the rhetoric to change shortly.
I read Obama as a very pragmatic and even cautious pol. For example his health plan. He's not going to go out on a limb or get bogged down with a plan that's not going to get through Congress ie he learned the lesson of Hillary Care. I think also that's why he kind of resisted taking Edward's message and making it a centerpiece of his campaign so as to get Edwards' support. Probably his thinking was, "If the message was so great, why aren't you winning?"
His approach to getting this nomination was extremely pragmatic. Essentially he analyzed the weaknesses of the Clinton campaign very early and developed an alternative approach ie working on the ground everywhere and anywhere, and not fighting over the big states where the Clinton campaign essentially staked its victory. This approach worked and now has the Clintonites gnashing their teeth. It wasn't supposed to work, but it did.
I think this is what is behind Obama's victory: very savvy nuts and bolts organizing. Some have complained that his message is too vague; again, I think that's deliberate. He's not going to get tied down to specific agendas that will force him to deliver should he get to the White House.
There's a very practical mind behind the lofty rhetoric. I like that about him. I would like to see a little ruthlessness, but perhaps that will take time.
He was speaking to his political base. Expect the rhetoric to change shortly.
I read Obama as a very pragmatic and even cautious pol. For example his health plan. He's not going to go out on a limb or get bogged down with a plan that's not going to get through Congress ie he learned the lesson of Hillary Care. I think also that's why he kind of resisted taking Edward's message and making it a centerpiece of his campaign so as to get Edwards' support. Probably his thinking was, "If the message was so great, why aren't you winning?"
His approach to getting this nomination was extremely pragmatic. Essentially he analyzed the weaknesses of the Clinton campaign very early and developed an alternative approach ie working on the ground everywhere and anywhere, and not fighting over the big states where the Clinton campaign essentially staked its victory. This approach worked and now has the Clintonites gnashing their teeth. It wasn't supposed to work, but it did.
I think this is what is behind Obama's victory: very savvy nuts and bolts organizing. Some have complained that his message is too vague; again, I think that's deliberate. He's not going to get tied down to specific agendas that will force him to deliver should he get to the White House.
There's a very practical mind behind the lofty rhetoric. I like that about him. I would like to see a little ruthlessness, but perhaps that will take time.
Theme for Obama:
"Happy talk, keep talkin' happy talk,
Talk about things you'd like to do.
You got to have a dream,
If you don't have a dream,
How you gonna have a dream come true?"
"Happy talk, keep talkin' happy talk,
Talk about things you'd like to do.
You got to have a dream,
If you don't have a dream,
How you gonna have a dream come true?"
lurker,
Your talking about pragmatic execution. I'm talking about pragmatic philosophy. Lofty philosophy (like, say, promoting democracy in the middle east) often leads to lofty execution (like, say, pouring endless amounts of money, resources and soldiers into Iraq).
Your talking about pragmatic execution. I'm talking about pragmatic philosophy. Lofty philosophy (like, say, promoting democracy in the middle east) often leads to lofty execution (like, say, pouring endless amounts of money, resources and soldiers into Iraq).
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