Michelle Obama plays the reverse race card archived
Zoinks said:
Yes nohero. Similar treatment. Exactly. Race IS NOT the issue or a factor. Until the First Lady chose to play the trump card.
She "chose to play the race card", so that's when they started using "angry black woman" references against her in 2008? How exactly did that work?
lele0820 said:
@gibberellin - the facts are out there. Is that all you got?
No, that's your opinion that's out there. And that's all you got.
lele0820 said:
@gibberellin - the facts are out there. Is that all you got?
Please cite a source for these facts.
nohero said:
Zoinks said:
Yes nohero. Similar treatment. Exactly. Race IS NOT the issue or a factor. Until the First Lady chose to play the trump card.
She "chose to play the race card", so that's when they started using "angry black woman" references against her in 2008? How exactly did that work?
What "angry black woman reference"? Nothing you/have yet sited demonstate that. As ml1 said "harpy b**ch" maybe but nothing racial.
gibberlin and rastro...I guess your schooling didn't teach you how to do research. with all the time you spend on MOL, I am sure you can do some research on how Obama hesitated on Osama bin Laden. It is all over the internet. Now go along...be big boys...and do the research yourself...or do you need me to hold your hand? 
Jan 11, 2012 at 11:35am Edited
Zoinks said:
What "angry black woman reference"?
Pretending you never heard any of the stuff I already cited, from back in 2008, is a sorry tactic.
Conservative columnists accuse her of being unpatriotic and say she simmers with undigested racial anger. A blogger who supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton circulates unfounded claims that Mrs. Obama gave an accusatory speech in her church about the sins of “whitey.” Mrs. Obama shakes her head.
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Fox News called her “Obama’s baby mama,” a derogatory term for an unwed mother. Christopher Hitchens, a Slate columnist, claimed — with scant evidence — that her college thesis proved she was once influenced by black separatism. National Review presented her as a scowling “Mrs. Grievance.”
The caricatures of Mrs. Obama as the Angry Black Woman confound her, friends say.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/us/politics/18michelle.html?pagewanted=all
That article is co-authored by the same Jodi Kantor whose book is being cited.
Hey, one more -
CAL THOMAS, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: In this campaign, we are being asked to accept three things simultaneously, the first woman with a credible chance of being president, the first African-American with the chance to being president and, whoever Michelle Obama is going to be styled, the angry black woman, first lady? This is an awful lot.
Cal Thomas in June of 2008.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367601,00.html
lele0820 said:
gibberlin and rastro...I guess your schooling didn't teach you how to do research. with all the time you spend on MOL, I am sure you can do some research on how Obama hesitated on Osama bin Laden. It is all over the internet. Now go along...be big boys...and do the research yourself...or do you need me to hold your hand?
you made an assertion. I shouldn't have to do your work to back it up.
I never said that none of the criticism of Michelle Obama is race-based. I just said (somewhat facetiously) that there's already a bitchy Democratic woman stereotype out there.
at least some of the reaction to Michelle Obama is due to her race. how much, who knows?
at least some of the reaction to Michelle Obama is due to her race. how much, who knows?
Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
It's the invasion of The Gidgets into Soapbox: Politics.
Kind of livens things up.
Hey they started it..I can play in the mud and get out clean. Not so sure about them. Have a good night big boys!
ml1 said:
I never said that none of the criticism of Michelle Obama is race-based. I just said (somewhat facetiously) that there's already a bitchy Democratic woman stereotype out there.
at least some of the reaction to Michelle Obama is due to her race. how much, who knows?
About .1%.
Ah... The old "they started it... " claim. Used by little kids around the world to not take responsibility.
Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48am Edited
Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
Thank you. Zoinks? So what do you think of your comrades-in-arms rationales as presented here? The Gidgets? Stupid enough? Or do you need more support?
Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
What's ugly about it? The fact that the First Lady made incindiary claims to score points?
What did she say, again? Oh, yes, one could read the article for a quote, and not the headline:Zoinks said:
What's ugly about it? The fact that the First Lady made incindiary claims to score points?Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
"That's been an image people have tried to paint of me since the day Barack announced, that I'm some kind of angry black woman."
That's a true statement, according to news reports from 2008. It's "incendiary" to make a true statement?
Let's see...Harvard Law; hospital administrator; First Lady...I'm not sure what she'd do with the points.
Again, see what kind of crowd your incendiary thread has rallying around your POV.
Again, see what kind of crowd your incendiary thread has rallying around your POV.
Parties and vacations? Yup, to Hawaii of all places, instead of Kenya. Parties? The rap on him is that he hasn't been sociable enough. 1%er; I believe he prefaces each working-class point with "unlike Buffet and me..." Of course he's a 1%er; two best sellers and a decent job in DC. Military cuts?? I think you mean slowing of increases; not cuts. Recess appointments and being an obstructionist?
Hey Zoinks; quite a pair of defenders you have there. Then again, who else would subscribe.
Hey Zoinks; quite a pair of defenders you have there. Then again, who else would subscribe.
GL2 said:
Parties and vacations? Yup, to Hawaii of all places, instead of Kenya. Parties? The rap on him is that he hasn't been sociable enough. 1%er; I believe he prefaces each working-class point with "unlike Buffet and me..." Of course he's a 1%er; two best sellers and a decent job in DC. Military cuts?? I think you mean slowing of increases; not cuts. Recess appointments and being an obstructionist?
Hey Zoinks; quite a pair of defenders you have there. Then again, who else would subscribe.
GL2 said:
Parties and vacations? Yup, to Hawaii of all places, instead of Kenya.
There's a segment of the electorate who consider both to be foreign travel ...
johnlockedema said:
Obama's reduced military spending, experts suggest, mean cutting 100,000 troops. That's certainly not 'slowing increases' is it?
Well, there was a suggestion that the military had already been cut, as opposed to plans to make cuts due to the changes in military obligations in the future.
Or, as Mr. Springsteen wrote:
"Don't worry, darlin', baby don't you fret. We're living in the future, and none of this has happened yet."
Now, there's at least one GOP candidate who has asserted that we should put more troops back into Iraq, which obviously would require fewer or even no cuts. Not sure whether that's such a great idea, however.
I think you better let up on Michelle. She Is a treasure and the people know it.
nohero said:
What did she say, again? Oh, yes, one could read the article for a quote, and not the headline:Zoinks said:
What's ugly about it? The fact that the First Lady made incindiary claims to score points?Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
"That's been an image people have tried to paint of me since the day Barack announced, that I'm some kind of angry black woman."
That's a true statement, according to news reports from 2008. It's "incendiary" to make a true statement?
Some talking heads on a panel, talking about what others might or might not say or think is hardly "proof". It is just more of the same dynamic of the First Lady's incendiary statements.
It is really her version of Hillary Clinton's vast right wing conspiracy statement. Meant to incite, deflect and impune. But these types of charges only reflect badly on the speaker because of their blatant attempts to with one phrase delegitimize all criticism.
"But these types of charges only reflect badly on the speaker because of their blatant attempts to with one phrase delegitimize all criticism."
But really, only to people like you.
But really, only to people like you.
Zoinks said:
Some talking heads on a panel, talking about what others might or might not say or think is hardly "proof". It is just more of the same dynamic of the First Lady's incendiary statements.nohero said:
What did she say, again? Oh, yes, one could read the article for a quote, and not the headline:Zoinks said:
What's ugly about it? The fact that the First Lady made incindiary claims to score points?Oldstone said:
This is an embarrassingly ugly thread.
"That's been an image people have tried to paint of me since the day Barack announced, that I'm some kind of angry black woman."
That's a true statement, according to news reports from 2008. It's "incendiary" to make a true statement?
It is really her version of Hillary Clinton's vast right wing conspiracy statement. Meant to incite, deflect and impune. But these types of charges only reflect badly on the speaker because of their blatant attempts to with one phrase delegitimize all criticism.
I gave you some examples, and you are still blaming Ms. Obama for the fact that people did characterize her in "angry black woman" terms. That makes absolutely no sense.
And an extra comment on this -
Zoinks said:
Some talking heads on a panel, talking about what others might or might not say or think is hardly "proof". It is just more of the same dynamic of the First Lady's incendiary statements.
So, the argument is that it's her own fault, that people started talking about her using the "angry black woman" reference? You may want to come up with some respectable explanation for that claim.
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