So with the departure of Paul and nan MOL has moved Right,
All we need now is for AJC to join the MT band wagon, with all his different fonts of fatuousness…to keep everyone back in left field.
I find it interesting how the left-right ideology is latent in someone’s personality, and the role politics plays in creating that personality. But also in their social attitudes, I can somehow tell where they’re leaning politically. Both far left and right have the same level of anger even though they are diametrically opposite. The righteous (far right) show less emotion, they are all for rules, and God is ever present in their views. They also are individualistic, ignoring fact that they actually got to where they were through the help of others. They think success is an individual effort. Meanwhile ignoring the social support they had in life.
Leftists are more oriented toward human needs, They tend to be more into new experiences and positive feelings. Not very good at following rules, because rules represent hierarchy. They are for equality and are willing to change the rules if they think that is necessary. Their emphasis on equality, makes them natural allies of the underdogs, whether this means low-income people or people excluded from the dominant society on the basis of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or religious preference.
I think that in our current political moment, Trumpism is the only real divide. For at least the next few election cycles, I'm a lot less interested in "left" and "right" than in "supports democracy" or "Trump." After that, I imagine we'll either be able to get back to a place where actual positions matter, or it won't matter at all as there won't really be any real elections.
I think that in our current political moment, Trumpism is the only real divide. For at least the next few election cycles, I'm a lot less interested in "left" and "right" than in "supports democracy" or "Trump." After that, I imagine we'll either be able to get back to a place where actual positions matter, or it won't matter at all as there won't really be any real elections.
there isn't really a "left" and "right" of consequence these days. There's the lunatic segment (not a fringe either because it's a big chunk of the GOP), and everyone else.
Part of the problem with creating a single label, such as 'far-left' or 'progressive' is that there is not one-dimensional agreement across all issues. The Progressive Labor Party, while being far-left on labor issues and anti-racism was not queer-friendly. Pro-choice advocates had a kerfuffle due to different views on Israel/anti-Semitism. And so on.
The labels of 'progressive' and 'far-left' may not be very helpful as one's location along the spectrum are likely issue-specific, and maybe even scenario-specific.
Your statement that pro-choice advocates disagreed on Israel/anti-Semitism, made me think of the Women's March, and it was an aspect I had forgotten. Recently I wondered what happened to that energy and why we haven't seen that unified feminism and now I think you may have hit it.
The fact that many of us, are issue motivated is true and does make it hard to label us.
Ha, that's true. Well I left that thread at least for a bit, and nothing in that whole back and forth really made me regret deciding to just be an observer. Though I suppose talking about a thread in another thread and pretending it's all sotto voce is kind of cheating.
So I guess I'll just say that, though I don't believe anyone's ever called me "far-left" here, they're welcome to but I'd hope they could follow that up with something more specific, as being called that would tell me they disagreed with something I said but not why, or even necessarily what they particularly objected to.
my reaction isn't defensiveness. It's just that it's really narrow-minded to label an upper middle class suburban group as "far left."
It's only something that would be said by a person who thinks the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
Decrying narrow-mindedness and then following up with an extraordinarily narrow-minded statement -- bravo.
I think MOL is, on balance, far left, or maybe left / far left. And I don't think the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
Decrying narrow-mindedness and then following up with an extraordinarily narrow-minded statement -- bravo.
I think MOL is, on balance, far left, or maybe left / far left. And I don't think the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
it's not narrow-minded. It's accurate. Anyone calling this group of people "far left" is leaving out a swath of people who truly are far-left. If your taxonomy can't distinguish between us and the Communist Party, there's something wrong with it.
Decrying narrow-mindedness and then following up with an extraordinarily narrow-minded statement -- bravo.
I think MOL is, on balance, far left, or maybe left / far left. And I don't think the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
it's not narrow-minded. It's accurate. Anyone calling this group of people "far left" is leaving out a swath of people who truly are far-left. If your taxonomy can't distinguish between us and the Communist Party, there's something wrong with it.
OK, then by your logic, SoMa isn't deep blue, despite the two towns voting 90% for Biden. They can only be considered blue. Deep blue is reserved for Tavistock, which voted 100% for Biden.
The fact that there are millions people in this country, including economists, historians and other scholars, who are to the left of most MOL participants means that the latter are not "far-left". Otherwise you would have to characterize the former as far far left.
Perhaps my views are influenced by what I experienced in the 60s and early 70s when there was the Weather Underground, the SLA, Black Panther Party and other active far-left organizations and movements.
Decrying narrow-mindedness and then following up with an extraordinarily narrow-minded statement -- bravo.
I think MOL is, on balance, far left, or maybe left / far left. And I don't think the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
it's not narrow-minded. It's accurate. Anyone calling this group of people "far left" is leaving out a swath of people who truly are far-left. If your taxonomy can't distinguish between us and the Communist Party, there's something wrong with it.
OK, then by your logic, SoMa isn't deep blue, despite the two towns voting 90% for Biden. They can only be considered blue. Deep blue is reserved for Tavistock, which voted 100% for Biden.
Decrying narrow-mindedness and then following up with an extraordinarily narrow-minded statement -- bravo.
I think MOL is, on balance, far left, or maybe left / far left. And I don't think the entire spectrum of social and political thought in this country is represented by the public statements of the members of the U.S. Senate.
it's not narrow-minded. It's accurate. Anyone calling this group of people "far left" is leaving out a swath of people who truly are far-left. If your taxonomy can't distinguish between us and the Communist Party, there's something wrong with it.
OK, then by your logic, SoMa isn't deep blue, despite the two towns voting 90% for Biden. They can only be considered blue. Deep blue is reserved for Tavistock, which voted 100% for Biden.
also note that Smedley has now changed his ever changing metric to be party membership.
The Communist Party is only an example of one group to the left of liberal Democrats. Then there are the Greens, who got few votes for president in '20, but got 1.5 million in '16.
My complaint with the term "far left" to describe liberal Democrats is that it's an attempt marginalize reasonable ideas. We'll never get single payer health insurance or even a higher minimum wage if liberals don't push back hard on these attempts to make reasonable ideas sound extremist.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
Because there are a lot of morons out there who lack the ability to think independently and simply regurgitate talking points from FoxNews and the GOP that labels any idea or person to the left of Ronald Reagan as being "far left" and thus working to marginalize that person/idea even when the moron would otherwise agree with the person/idea being mislabeled. This goes back to the Cold War and anti-communist crap that a certain category of people bought into hook, line, and sinker and resulted in the McCarthy witch hunts and the blacklisting of people.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
And, RCV is not a "far-left" idea by any stretch. The error had absolutely nothing to do with RCV other than the efforts by the media and certain politicians to have the Board release additional preliminary and unofficial "results." Moreover, the "delay" in releasing results has absolutely ZERO to do with RCV. Rather, it is tied to absentee ballots being returned by mail and that people still have the opportunity to cure certain defects with those ballots. NY law does not permit the processing of these ballots until after election day because you send in an absentee ballot and still vote in person at a poll site. Voting at a poll site will result in the invalidation of the absentee ballot (which would remain in its sealed envelope so, no, the person wouldn't vote twice).
Really, it would be nice if for once you would actually address facts but we all know that will never happen.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
Right at the start of the article it says, "Even though last week’s fumble by the city Board of Elections — in which it released incorrect vote tallies before fixing the totals 24 hours later — was not specifically related to the ranked-choice system ...", then the authors proceed to be idiots about ranked choice voting.
Right at the start of the article it says, "Even though last week’s fumble by the city Board of Elections — in which it released incorrect vote tallies before fixing the totals 24 hours later — was not specifically related to the ranked-choice system ...", then the authors proceed to be idiots about ranked choice voting.
It's just odd for her to pretend to care about voting in any form at all, isn't it?
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
Right at the start of the article it says, "Even though last week’s fumble by the city Board of Elections — in which it released incorrect vote tallies before fixing the totals 24 hours later — was not specifically related to the ranked-choice system ...", then the authors proceed to be idiots about ranked choice voting.
Theory: Trump voters have to classify middle class, liberal Democrats as "far left", otherwise they worry that they'll find themselves all the way over to the right under "Fascist".
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
No matter how you slice it, middle class, liberal Democrats are scared to be put under a far left umbrella. Why do you suppose that is? Class/or racial issues? Haves and Have-nots? Fear of weakening the party line? The mind boggles.
So with the departure of Paul and nan MOL has moved Right,