John McCain has brain cancer
He's speaking now and I think this speech will win over some of his tough critics.
Morganna said:
Tough crowd. OK can you give the man points for this moment in his campaign? I can't imagine it being said by the current bully in office.
Nobody gets extra points for doing what should be the normal thing. Nothing can offset what he has become since he ran for president. It's like saying an abusive father should get points for going to work every day and supporting the family. No, if he was physically abusive nothing offsets it.
dave23 said:
Procedural vote passed. Now they get to read the bill!
Reporters banned from covering protest. Witnesses forced to delete video by capitol police.
What? Really? I've been trying to stay away from the news today to avoid a heart attack. But really? How can they be banned from covering protest? WHERE IS THE ACLU??
shoshannah said:Nobody gets extra points for doing what should be the normal thing. Nothing can offset what he has become since he ran for president. It's like saying an abusive father should get points for going to work every day and supporting the family. No, if he was physically abusive nothing offsets it.
Agreed. Not only that, the woman's comment made me cringe because it was clear to me she didn't know the difference between Muslim and Arab.
The debate is beginning on C-SPAN2.
Correction The reading of the bill is beginning on C-SPAN2
Tom_Reingold said:
shoshannah said:
Nobody gets extra points for doing what should be the normal thing. Nothing can offset what he has become since he ran for president. It's like saying an abusive father should get points for going to work every day and supporting the family. No, if he was physically abusive nothing offsets it.
Agreed. Not only that, the woman's comment made me cringe because it was clear to me she didn't know the difference between Muslim and Arab.
Right! "He's an Arab." What an idiot. Arabs can be Christian, Muslim, Druze, Ba'hai, Bedouin, even Jewish. And most Muslims are not Arab. Egyptians (and other north Africans), Iranians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Indians, Malaysians can be Muslim.
dave23 said:
Procedural vote passed. Now they get to read the bill!
They needed Mike Pence to break the tie because Collins and Murkowski voted "no".
Maybe having debate on the substance will be a good thing.
I watched highlights of McCain's speech on the Senate floor today.
I think it's clear he knows he's dying and he wanted to leave with some dignity. He still voted yes to progress the healthcare debate.
Dear Senator McCain,
I am sorry you have cancer, but that does not make you less of a despicable human being. Imagine someone with cancer like yours not being able to afford treatment. At least you know your last days will pass well medicated and relatively at peace.
I despise you and your party. All you want to do is make the rich richer and the poor poorer and you probably won't even live to see it.
Sincerely,
me
A few things I liked in McCain's speech. He affirmed that they are not subordinate to the president but equal. He said he hated the bill. He stated that all were guilty of the current state of affairs including himself, getting caught up in winning. I'd like to watch it again in it's entirety. Interested in what others think of it.
Morganna said:
A few things I liked in McCain's speech. He affirmed that they are not subordinate to the president but equal. He said he hated the bill. He stated that all were guilty of the current state of affairs including himself, getting caught up in winning. I'd like to watch it again in it's entirety. Interested in what others think of it.
Hating the bill is not enough. He needs to vote against it.
shoshannah said:
Morganna said:
A few things I liked in McCain's speech. He affirmed that they are not subordinate to the president but equal. He said he hated the bill. He stated that all were guilty of the current state of affairs including himself, getting caught up in winning. I'd like to watch it again in it's entirety. Interested in what others think of it.
Hating the bill is not enough. He needs to vote against it.
I think he will.
There are 3 bills in play.
marylago said:
Dear Senator McCain,
I am sorry you have cancer, but that does not make you less of a despicable human being. Imagine someone with cancer like yours not being able to afford treatment. At least you know your last days will pass well medicated and relatively at peace.
I despise you and your party. All you want to do is make the rich richer and the poor poorer and you probably won't even live to see it.
Sincerely,
me
(me, too.)
Is anyone watching this?
When someone offers an Amendment to a Bill it is usual for their to be "unanimous consent" to dispense with the Clerk actually reading it out loud. After all they can all read.
But now there are objections so this poor clerk is reading this whole thing. Lots of it is technical gobbly **** so it is unbelievably tedious and boring. But to see how stupid this is you should watch for a couple of minutes.
All to avoid, what? Public testimony in committee hearings? Committee having to make a decision??
Tuesday night the Senate voted down a comprehensive replacement plan. McCain voted in favor of it. Wednesday morning it's expected the Senate will vote on a repeal-only bill which is expected to be rejected.
nope. His speech is indicative of the whole problem with McCain. He gives pious speeches about the horror of partisanship, but votes EVERY TIME in support of that partisanship.
I think he's kind of clueless about this contradiction though. I think he gives himself a lot of points for his statements, while disregarding the effect of his votes.
Morganna said:
He's speaking now and I think this speech will win over some of his tough critics.
drummerboy said:
nope. His speech is indicative of the whole problem with McCain. He gives pious speeches about the horror of partisanship, but votes EVERY TIME in support of that partisanship.
I think he's kind of clueless about this contradiction though. I think he gives himself a lot of points for his statements, while disregarding the effect of his votes.
Morganna said:
He's speaking now and I think this speech will win over some of his tough critics.
As I wrote in another thread, John McCain is the biggest phony in U.S. politics. People (especially the pundits) fall for his self-serving words time and time again, and ignore the stuff he does. There may be some charities that McCain works on behalf of, so perhaps he does do some things for other people. But in his career in politics, John McCain works very hard on behalf of only one constituency -- John McCain. If he's ever been in favor of any policy or any legislation that actually does anything on behalf of any human being other than John McCain, I'm not aware of it. And he has never met a war or a potential war that he isn't gung ho to rush into.
I really believe that John McCain, because of his unique position and prominence has done as much to harm politics in this country as anyone. I respect the way he fought to survive as a POW, and I admire his physical toughness. But I for one can't wait for him to retire from politics.
because of things like this. John McCain gave a grandstanding speech, basking in the adulation from the press and his fellow senators, and then this:
McCain said he wouldn’t vote for the Senate health care bill. 6 hours later he did.
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
nope. His speech is indicative of the whole problem with McCain. He gives pious speeches about the horror of partisanship, but votes EVERY TIME in support of that partisanship.
I think he's kind of clueless about this contradiction though. I think he gives himself a lot of points for his statements, while disregarding the effect of his votes.
Morganna said:
He's speaking now and I think this speech will win over some of his tough critics.
As I wrote in another thread, John McCain is the biggest phony in U.S. politics. People (especially the pundits) fall for his self-serving words time and time again, and ignore the stuff he does. There may be some charities that McCain works on behalf of, so perhaps he does do some things for other people. But in his career in politics, John McCain works very hard on behalf of only one constituency -- John McCain. If he's ever been in favor of any policy or any legislation that actually does anything on behalf of any human being other than John McCain, I'm not aware of it. And he has never met a war or a potential war that he isn't gung ho to rush into.
I really believe that John McCain, because of his unique position and prominence has done as much to harm politics in this country as anyone. I respect the way he fought to survive as a POW, and I admire his physical toughness. But I for one can't wait for him to retire from politics.
because of things like this. John McCain gave a grandstanding speech, basking in the adulation from the press and his fellow senators, and then this:
McCain said he wouldn’t vote for the Senate health care bill. 6 hours later he did.
From that same article,
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules.
I doubt any of us will like his health care vote. I doubt I will. I still had hopes that he would lead the charge against DJT. Maybe wishful thinking. Maybe staying with his fellow POWs when he could have left earlier based on his rank was his last great and selfless act. To me that goes beyond physical toughness, it is about honor. How many people can claim even that in their lifetime? He is dying and at this time I chose to focus on his heroism.
Morganna said:
From that same article,
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules.
you left out the next sentence from the article. The full paragraph reads:
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules. But it was not lost on any senator on the floor Tuesday night that their vote was an yay or nay on the Better Care Reconciliation Act itself.
You're right that as a POW, he did selflessly refuse release until his fellow prisoners were also freed. That was indeed selfless on his part. It doesn't change the cynical phoniness of his political career however.
I may be one of the few people who doesn't believe in whitewashing a public figure's career after they die or become ill. I have sympathy for what John McCain is going through. But it doesn't reverse his life's work.
He voted yes to repeal and replace later last night, after the initial vote on the procedural matter.
Morganna said:
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
nope. His speech is indicative of the whole problem with McCain. He gives pious speeches about the horror of partisanship, but votes EVERY TIME in support of that partisanship.
I think he's kind of clueless about this contradiction though. I think he gives himself a lot of points for his statements, while disregarding the effect of his votes.
Morganna said:
He's speaking now and I think this speech will win over some of his tough critics.
As I wrote in another thread, John McCain is the biggest phony in U.S. politics. People (especially the pundits) fall for his self-serving words time and time again, and ignore the stuff he does. There may be some charities that McCain works on behalf of, so perhaps he does do some things for other people. But in his career in politics, John McCain works very hard on behalf of only one constituency -- John McCain. If he's ever been in favor of any policy or any legislation that actually does anything on behalf of any human being other than John McCain, I'm not aware of it. And he has never met a war or a potential war that he isn't gung ho to rush into.
I really believe that John McCain, because of his unique position and prominence has done as much to harm politics in this country as anyone. I respect the way he fought to survive as a POW, and I admire his physical toughness. But I for one can't wait for him to retire from politics.
because of things like this. John McCain gave a grandstanding speech, basking in the adulation from the press and his fellow senators, and then this:
McCain said he wouldn’t vote for the Senate health care bill. 6 hours later he did.
From that same article,
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules.
I doubt any of us will like his health care vote. I doubt I will. I still had hopes that he would lead the charge against DJT. Maybe wishful thinking. Maybe staying with his fellow POWs when he could have left earlier based on his rank was his last great and selfless act. To me that goes beyond physical toughness, it is about honor. How many people can claim even that in their lifetime? He is dying and at this time I chose to focus on his heroism.
shoshannah said:
Right! "He's an Arab." What an idiot. Arabs can be Christian, Muslim, Druze, Ba'hai, Bedouin, even Jewish. And most Muslims are not Arab. Egyptians (and other north Africans), Iranians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Indians, Malaysians can be Muslim.
Americans can be (and many are) Muslim.
ml1 said:
Morganna said:
From that same article,
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules.
you left out the next sentence from the article. The full paragraph reads:
Technically he voted on a senate procedural matter — on whether or not the bill satisfied budget rules. But it was not lost on any senator on the floor Tuesday night that their vote was an yay or nay on the Better Care Reconciliation Act itself.
You're right that as a POW, he did selflessly refuse release until his fellow prisoners were also freed. That was indeed selfless on his part. It doesn't change the cynical phoniness of his political career however.
I may be one of the few people who doesn't believe in whitewashing a public figure's career after they die or become ill. I have sympathy for what John McCain is going through. But it doesn't reverse his life's work.
I agree with you. Just because he is dying does not make what he has done in the past 40+ years go away.
sac said:
shoshannah said:
Right! "He's an Arab." What an idiot. Arabs can be Christian, Muslim, Druze, Ba'hai, Bedouin, even Jewish. And most Muslims are not Arab. Egyptians (and other north Africans), Iranians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Indians, Malaysians can be Muslim.
Americans can be (and many are) Muslim.
Well, of course. But I was distinguishing between ethnicity and religion, not citizenship. American is not an ethnicity; Egyptian, Iranian (Persian), etc. are.
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Procedural vote passed. Now they get to read the bill!
Reporters banned from covering protest. Witnesses forced to delete video by capitol police.