Homework in private high schools

Which private high schools in the area seem to give the most homework? Does the competitiveness for admission make a difference ? 

Oratory, Union Catholic, St. Peter’s, seton hall

Morristown Beard  Gill St Bernard, Wardlaw, Pingry, Newark Academy?



How would anyone know how much homework is given in all those schools?


There is more to education than intense academics.  There is a big problem with workers who don't have soft skills.  We shove so much academics down their throats....academics that are mostly useless, and never give them skills they need like how to work with others, think things through, and problem solve.  Intense high school education may be the ticket to intense college education, but a well rounded experience will be much more beneficial for a career that will be satisfying as well as pay the bills


I would find out what percentage of students had nervous breakdowns, as that is strongly correlated with homework volume.


I’m just curious…. are your parents planning on sending you to one of these private schools after middle school? You seem very worried about the amount of homework you will have in comparison to Columbia. 


Jaytee said:

I’m just curious…. are your parents planning on sending you to one of these private schools after middle school? You seem very worried about the amount of homework you will have in comparison to Columbia. 

I think that is a very reasonable thing to be worried about. Homework sucks and is mostly useless and a school that overloads it is a bad school.


drummerboy said:

I think that is a very reasonable thing to be worried about. Homework sucks and is mostly useless and a school that overloads it is a bad school.

I agree. My kids all went to Columbia, and they had lots of homework. I’m thinking this person is looking for a school with less homework. I’ve known a couple kids from mapso who literally just went off the rails from the stress. Overdosed, cutting themselves, going missing, many times I had to go get some of them back home. Mostly all were my daughter’s friends. It is not a good time for children in this age group to be going through all this stress. Some of these parents are neurotic tyrants. I’ve seen the damage they have done. Trust me 


Jaytee said:

Trust me

This was a little easier before you mocked the OP.


Homework: When I began a teaching career in a N.J. public school, the homework policy was explained as, social studies is expected to include X number of hours of study per week. Classroom time takes up  x (-) hours per week and the remainder is to be taken up with homework. So we were to assign several hours of homework per week. 

This was 50 years ago and I don't recall the actual numbers.

But...

multiply that by 5 core subjects per week, plus any assignments for minor subjects, plus activities or after school sports..... Where is the time for a kid to just be a kid?


Pingry publications have some indications that they assign large quantities of homework:

On pg. 15 of "The Pingry Review - Winter 2019-20", a director/counselor/teacher's highlighted quote includes: https://issuu.com/thepingryschool1861/docs/pingrywtr20_completeforweb.v2/17

“There’s a badge of honor in saying you stay up late doing homework. To the student who says teachers assign too much work, I would say take fewer classes. What we want is for students to do less so they can understand their topics better.

And the p.2 of the "Pingry Record" from 2019 has a student article titled "Never Doing Enough: Stress as a Measure of Success"

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1576760500/pingry/kza8hgisnabrutwkywzp/December2019Issue.pdf

So, it looks like they are a contender for a private high school that assigns lots of homework, if that's what you are seeking.


Not directly related to the homework question, but I wonder how our students fared compared with private schools, which largely remained open, and the COVID school shutdowns?

From RCP Pinocchios

Trove of Emails and Documents
Reveal Fauci’s Deceptions 

Free Press

This article summarizes the “evasion, deception, and misdirection” that best describes Dr. Anthony Fauci’s leadership of the U.S. response to COVID-19 -- especially regarding his support of high-risk virology research and its connection to the possibility that a lab leak in Wuhan caused a worldwide catastrophe:

Fauci, who was the face of the public health community during the crisis, pushed the idea that the evidence strongly indicated that the virus was just a tragic, natural occurrence. He insisted, repeatedly, that an epidemic that started in Wuhan was unlikely to have been the result of an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). 

But Fauci had an incentive to arrive at his conclusion about the deadly pandemic that started in Wuhan. The WIV was known for doing high-risk virology research studying and manipulating coronaviruses. 

Fauci, as head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for almost 40 years, had funded such research at the WIV.

In a separate article, a longitudinal study published in the journal JAMA Health Forum found very low rates of COVID-19 transmission at Massachusetts public schools, raising questions about the decision to close schools across the country in response to the pandemic.

From the JAMA article…

Conclusions

“The findings of this longitudinal cohort study of K-12 schools in Massachusetts, based on detailed school-based contact tracing during the 2020-2021 school year and fall semester of 2021, indicate that the SAR of SARS-CoV-2 among school-based contacts was low. The study highlights the importance of collecting data about school-based infectious disease incidence in order to identify factors associated with transmission, with the goal of acting on those that can be addressed through school-based or public health interventions. We provide an in-depth individual-level analysis of the context of transmission in schools, extending existing literature by highlighting the benefit of vaccination and masking to prevent transmission in school settings. The study also demonstrated that like the pandemic, factors associated with respiratory virus transmission risk in schools are not static and will be impacted by circulating variants, vaccination prevalence, vaccine effectiveness, testing protocols, and other factors. 

Importantly, this study highlights the importance of social vulnerability in transmission risk, suggesting that schools in districts of greater vulnerability must be provided with additional resources to optimize the health of students and staff. The generalizability of these data beyond the 2021-2022 school year remains uncertain. Ongoing surveillance of school-associated SARS-CoV-2 transmission in schools is critical to inform decisions about school-based mitigation measures as the pandemic continues to evolve.”


my granddaughter, soon to begin her senior year of college, graduated from a Manhattan high school via zoom while in Conn. Staying in NYC, with her school shut down, seemed a bad idea. 

She enjoyed none of the traditional experiences, prom, etc. 

Her first two truncated years of college were mostly spent in her NYC apartment building, with occasional on site stays. This coming year, hopefully, she will be finally experiencing college life. What if it was all a scam?


Why didn't your granddaughter experience college life last year? I think all colleges were open. Did you miss a year somewhere in this rambling?


And if you're wondering if our SOMA public school kids who experienced the shutdown were able to get into their top choice colleges this year, many did (including my own).




my granddaughter, soon to begin her senior year of college, graduated from a Manhattan high school via zoom while in Conn. Staying in NYC, with her school shut down, seemed a bad idea. 

She enjoyed none of the traditional experiences, prom, etc. 

Her first two truncated years of college were mostly spent in her NYC apartment building, with occasional on site stays. This coming year, hopefully, she will be finally experiencing college life. What if it was all a scam?

I don't know of any colleges/universities that were not in-person for the past two academic years.


There may have been missteps and unnecessary (as it turns out) precautions during the early horrible part of the pandemic, but pretty much everybody was figuring it out as they went along (remember?). 

Would you have wanted your granddaughter to go to school (many contacts, close quarters, in some schools poor ventilation)?  Would you have wanted the teachers to risk such exposure?  Hopefully, people and institutions will have learned something that will yield better results, or less restrictive processes, when we get new forms of covid, or other infectious diseases.

But "What if it was all a scam"???  Really?  We all know of deaths.  And to whose benefit a scam??


What if you took a longer look at a topic?

mtierney said:
“The findings of this longitudinal cohort study of K-12 schools in Massachusetts, based on detailed school-based contact tracing during the 2020-2021 school year and fall semester of 2021, indicate that the SAR of SARS-CoV-2 among school-based contacts was low

More than 70% of US household COVID spread started with a child, study suggests

A study published yesterday in JAMA Network Open suggests that 70.4% of nearly 850,000 US household COVID-19 transmissions originated with a child.


——and it was younger kids who were more likely to spread it—-

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/more-70-us-household-covid-spread-started-child-study-suggests


Smart Thermometer–Based Participatory Surveillance to Discern the Role of Children in Household Viral Transmission During the COVID-19 Pandemic

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2805468


mjc said:

There may have been missteps and unnecessary (as it turns out) precautions during the early horrible part of the pandemic, but pretty much everybody was figuring it out as they went along (remember?). 

Would you have wanted your granddaughter to go to school (many contacts, close quarters, in some schools poor ventilation)?  Would you have wanted the teachers to risk such exposure?  Hopefully, people and institutions will have learned something that will yield better results, or less restrictive processes, when we get new forms of covid, or other infectious diseases.

But "What if it was all a scam"???  Really?  We all know of deaths.  And to whose benefit a scam??

The “scam” — your word — to me was the whole denial game of the origin of the virus— bat shxt , neighborhood live meat market — or the Chinese lab next door, which was experimenting with the virus. The laboratory work sickened two lab workers, but no one wanted to connect the dots. Since those dark early days, independent studies have been conducted showing a lab leak as the most probable cause. 

Back in those terrifying days as America mobilized its workers, I watched Dr. Fauci deal with the news media on TV daily. He seemed the epitome of intellectual know-how and his humor and professionalism quelled our fears. To discover that, all that time, he was working with China and it was all about money, is an enormous pill to swallow! I am way too old to be taken in by a TV hustler or charlatan, but I was! Looks as though the doctor has retired  to count his money, and may never face the scrutiny of his peers or his former “fans.”

I am aware that Fauci could not have been successful in his deviousness were it not turned into a political issue — protecting our relations with China. Millions of people died worldwide while politicians delayed research information.


mtierney said:

The “scam” — your word —

@mtierney  -- Er, "scam" was actually your word. It was at the end of your ramblings on Aug 12, 2023 at 4:13pm:

mtierney said:

[snip]

Her first two truncated years of college were mostly spent in her NYC apartment building, with occasional on site stays. This coming year, hopefully, she will be finally experiencing college life. What if it was all a scam?


mtierney said:

I am way too old to be taken in by a TV hustler or charlatan,

I’ve read some funny things on this site but this takes the cake. 


sprout, thanks! That's the word that set me off.

mtierney said: "To discover that, all that time, he was working with China and it was all about money, is an enormous pill to swallow!"

Ridiculously harsh "assessment" of a respected decades-long career.

mtierney also said:  "Looks as though the doctor has retired to count his money."

He's 82, and finished his career with a totally exhausting 2-year sprint to head off a pandemic.  He has also been subject to threats from the usual types.  Wouldn't you retire?

It's reasonable to question what was done, and learn from it.  You don't need to slander the man in the process.  Check out Matthew 5:22?

sheesh (my word)

eta:  Actually, he said he was leaving his current positions but not retiring. https://www.niaid.nih.gov/grants-contracts/dr-anthony-fauci-leave-niaid-end-december


Dr Fauci is a graduate of Holy Cross University. A recent alumni magazine spoke of all his wonderful contributions to the  college. He was a great  student and headed so many positions. I don't understand the negativity. Guess it is political although at first Trump seemed to listen to his wisdom.


mtierney said:

I am way too old to be taken in by a TV hustler or charlatan, but I was! Looks as though the doctor has retired  to count his money, and may never face the scrutiny of his peers or his former “fans.”

I am aware that Fauci could not have been successful in his deviousness were it not turned into a political issue — protecting our relations with China. Millions of people died worldwide while politicians delayed research information.

The TV hustler or charlatan that you were taken by is not Fauci. It's all the con artists on Fox News.


Folks, she’s just trolling you for giggles. 


Yet you were taken in by those who promulgated such chicanery  

mtierney said:
Since those dark early days, independent studies have been conducted showing a lab leak as the most probable cause. 

Bull ****


From this past June:

Newly declassified report shows U.S. intelligence community remains divided over likely origin of Covid 

via nbcnews - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/us-intelligence-agencies-remain-divided-likely-covid-origin-rcna90914

And two peer-reviewed studies looking at the earliest cases of Covid-infected patients in Wuhan, concluding that “the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred through the live wildlife trade in China” and that the wet market that hosted that wildlife trade “was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

There’s been nothing equivalent to those findings in the published literature on the lab leak theory side of the debate.



mtierney said:

The “scam” — your word — to me was the whole denial game of the origin of the virus— bat shxt , neighborhood live meat market — or the Chinese lab next door, which was experimenting with the virus. The laboratory work sickened two lab workers, but no one wanted to connect the dots. Since those dark early days, independent studies have been conducted showing a lab leak as the most probable cause. 

The origin of the virus is a topic entirely separate from the fact that we were completely unprepared to respond to a pandemic.  Periodic pandemics, regardless of the source, are as certain as the tides.  Our ability to respond to pandemics is the issue about which we should all be concerned.


PeterWick said:

Bull ****


From this past June:

Newly declassified report shows U.S. intelligence community remains divided over likely origin of Covid 

via nbcnews - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/us-intelligence-agencies-remain-divided-likely-covid-origin-rcna90914

And two peer-reviewed studies looking at the earliest cases of Covid-infected patients in Wuhan, concluding that “the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred through the live wildlife trade in China” and that the wet market that hosted that wildlife trade “was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

There’s been nothing equivalent to those findings in the published literature on the lab leak theory side of the debate.


from your link…

“In 2021, a U.S. intelligence report identified three researchers at the Wuhan institute who sought treatment at a hospital after falling ill in November 2019 -- providing inconclusive, circumstantial evidence that appeared to bolster a hypothesis that the virus may have spread to humans after escaping from the lab.

“The report released on Friday notes that several researchers were sick in fall 2019 and that some of their symptoms were "consistent with but not diagnostic of COVID-19," suggesting that they could have had a cold or allergies, and that their illness alone "neither supports nor refutes either hypothesis of the pandemic’s origins."

“The Intelligence Community was not aware of a particular biosafety incident that might have caused the pandemic, the report said, while noting that some of the lab's researchers "probably did not use adequate biosafety precautions at least some of the time prior to the pandemic in handling SARS-like coronaviruses," which increased the risk of potential exposure to viruses.”




So she hijacked another thread with her lies and misinformation…

All the kid asked was if private schools gave more homework!!

I’m thinking she must have adopted the red fruit and named him “tutti frutti”



GoSlugs said:

Folks, she’s just trolling you for giggles. 

No. She really believes the stuff she posts.


Back to the OP's question, I think you will need to get in touch with students or parents of students that have attended those schools to learn about the workload.  Your lists are in two general categories, the religious schools and the secular schools.  Among the secular schools there can be differences in prestige and academic rigor.  

Over the years, I probably have firsthand knowledge of at least one kid attending each of those schools. All of them have done well and gone on to college. It's probably more important to figure out which of them is the best fit overall socially, academically, and (if relevant) athletically.


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