Hillary Clinton

Whitewater
Vince Foster
Private Email server
Clinton Foundation
Sniper Fire
Benghazzzzzi!!!

Did I miss anything? Probably, as I don't live in this particular fever dream.

All nothing-burgers. The absolute worst "scandal" is the email server, and even there, what the scandal really showed was that Hillary did a remarkable job of keeping classified information off of  her email server. (110 out of 30000. do the math.)

The hatred of the public towards Hillary Clinton is completely manufactured, by conservatives and a complacent and corrupt media.

So have at it Hillary haters. Show us the EVIDENCE of her corruption. (and look up the word evidence first)

drummerboy said:
Travelgate
Whitewater
Vince Foster
Private Email server
Clinton Foundation
Sniper Fire
Benghazzzzzi!!!


Did I miss anything? Probably, as I don't live in this particular fever dream.


All nothing-burgers. The absolute worst "scandal" is the email server, and even there, what the scandal really showed was that Hillary did a remarkable job of keeping classified information off of  her email server. (110 out of 30000. do the math.)

The hatred of the public towards Hillary Clinton is completely manufactured, by conservatives and a complacent and corrupt media.

So have at it Hillary haters. Show us the EVIDENCE of her corruption. (and look up the word evidence first)

Only if you look up the word "corruption" first. 

Are we defining unacceptable behavior by elected officials down to that which we can achieve a guaranteed conviction under statutes related to corruption? 

Truly, then, the  lawyerly, parsing Clintons have won. Begin the coronation.

There was likely no law broken in Wassergate. If Clinton's campaign is found to be involved, will you throw your hands up and say "no conviction no foul?"

And yes, you missed several reprehensible situations HRC was either involved with publicly or purported to have been involved with privately. I'll leave it to you to remember them. Shouldn't be hard to recall some of the biggies.

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

  That's what I thought.

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

As usual.

Clinton's done and said stupid things. But the corruption meme created by the right wing is all innuendo. Whenever specifics are asked for then the answer is "but she's corrupt."

This how they are trying to do Clinton in - death by a thousand cuts.

Here's a video of a smug DNC protestor who said she would never vote for Clinton:

http://wapo.st/2apcP65

Enjoying her self righteous smugness.

You forgot DNCgate.

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

As usual.

Clinton's done and said stupid things. But the corruption meme created by the right wing is all innuendo. Whenever specifics are asked for then the answer is "but she's corrupt."

This how they are trying to do Clinton in - death by a thousand cuts.

Here's a video of a smug DNC protestor who said she would never vote for Clinton:

http://wapo.st/2apcP65

Enjoying her self righteous smugness.

That's the thing. "Prove she's corrupt" is a strawman. 

Again- does it take a conviction for public corruption under statute for you to find fault with a candidate? 

Is Wassergate only an issue if a criminal conviction is the result? That's an interesting approach to vetting leaders, and by interesting I mean ridiculous. 

There are some terrible people walking the earth who haven't been convicted of anything. Is that the standard for the presidency?

The Clintons and her handmaidens would have you believe so. Lawyerly, lawyerly, parsing, parsing. 

Trumpet that there is no public corruption, a specific charge no one is seriously making, and declare that the whole thing is a big, vast.... What is it again? 

There is something very interesting happening in the Democratic Party. Even Bernie got shouted at today for saying to vote for Clinton. They're not buying the burning, spinning strawman. Good for them. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

As usual.

Clinton's done and said stupid things. But the corruption meme created by the right wing is all innuendo. Whenever specifics are asked for then the answer is "but she's corrupt."

This how they are trying to do Clinton in - death by a thousand cuts.

Here's a video of a smug DNC protestor who said she would never vote for Clinton:

http://wapo.st/2apcP65

Enjoying her self righteous smugness.

That's the thing. "Prove she's corrupt" is a strawman. 

Again- does it take a conviction for public corruption under statute for you to find fault with a candidate?

I didn't ask to prove. I asked you for examples. Like SlyFox1, you tell us she is corrupt but you have no real examples. I asked SlyFox1 more than once and it seems she has lost the ability to respond to my query.

Doing and saying stupid things is not the same as corrupt.

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

As usual.

Clinton's done and said stupid things. But the corruption meme created by the right wing is all innuendo. Whenever specifics are asked for then the answer is "but she's corrupt."

This how they are trying to do Clinton in - death by a thousand cuts.

Here's a video of a smug DNC protestor who said she would never vote for Clinton:

http://wapo.st/2apcP65

Enjoying her self righteous smugness.

That's the thing. "Prove she's corrupt" is a strawman. 

Again- does it take a conviction for public corruption under statute for you to find fault with a candidate?

I didn't ask to prove. I asked you for examples. Like SlyFox1, you tell us she is corrupt but you have no real examples. I asked SlyFox1 more than once and it seems she has lost the ability to respond to my query.

Doing and saying stupid things is not the same as corrupt.

I didn't tell anyone she's corrupt. The OP set "corrupt" as the standard and set that strawman on fire. That's the point. 

But... You know, you guys keep using "corruption" in the same breath with "Hillary" so... I dunno. Maybe there's something to it?

DNCgate Wassergate - does ANYONE actually believe the the RNC wasn't actively working against Donald Trump during the primaries?  All this shows is that the DNC was more effective at getting the job done.

Jackson_Fusion said:
There is something very interesting happening in the Democratic Party. Even Bernie got shouted at today for saying to vote for Clinton. They're not buying the burning, spinning strawman. Good for them. 

No, it's just the same people who hurled invectives at anybody who wasn't backing Bernie to the bitter end.  It's the same insults.  It's just that they're yelling at Bernie now, for not backing himself to the bitter end. 

Jackson_Fusion said:
I didn't tell anyone she's corrupt. The OP set "corrupt" as the standard and set that strawman on fire. That's the point. 

But... You know, you guys keep using "corruption" in the same breath with "Hillary" so... I dunno. Maybe there's something to it? ">

Now, I feel better since we agree she's not shown to be corrupt.   

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

As usual.

Clinton's done and said stupid things. But the corruption meme created by the right wing is all innuendo. Whenever specifics are asked for then the answer is "but she's corrupt."

This how they are trying to do Clinton in - death by a thousand cuts.

Here's a video of a smug DNC protestor who said she would never vote for Clinton:

http://wapo.st/2apcP65

Enjoying her self righteous smugness.

That's the thing. "Prove she's corrupt" is a strawman. 

Again- does it take a conviction for public corruption under statute for you to find fault with a candidate?

I didn't ask to prove. I asked you for examples. Like SlyFox1, you tell us she is corrupt but you have no real examples. I asked SlyFox1 more than once and it seems she has lost the ability to respond to my query.

Doing and saying stupid things is not the same as corrupt.

We should be content that this one does and says stupid things............welcome to America where our

Chief Executive has not yet been indicted.

Trump marches to a different drum...........he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth

This one married the man who became President

She got the silver spoon later in life.

I guess our politicians are expected to lie..............our fault we have allowed that

but this one breaks all records..................again our fault

eliz said:

DNCgate Wassergate - does ANYONE actually believe the the RNC wasn't actively working against Donald Trump during the primaries?  All this shows is that the DNC was more effective at getting the job done.

If Putin wanted to sideline Trump (instead of working FOR his election) he would have easily released the RNC emails. But he wants to make sure Trump is elected as he feels he can "manage" him better than HRC. The Russians are tying to manipulate of election and few are commenting on that. Scary stuff.

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
I didn't tell anyone she's corrupt. The OP set "corrupt" as the standard and set that strawman on fire. That's the point. 

But... You know, you guys keep using "corruption" in the same breath with "Hillary" so... I dunno. Maybe there's something to it? ">

Now, I feel better since we agree she's not shown to be corrupt.  "> 

Outstanding slogan! "Vote Hillary! Not proven to have violated public corruption laws!"

No candidate is perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good. Hillary=good. DJT=bad. Very bad.

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

You thought what? That I was going to ask you to support your claims?

That's funny?

We're still waiting.

Jackson_Fusion said:

BG9 said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
I didn't tell anyone she's corrupt. The OP set "corrupt" as the standard and set that strawman on fire. That's the point. 

But... You know, you guys keep using "corruption" in the same breath with "Hillary" so... I dunno. Maybe there's something to it? ">

Now, I feel better since we agree she's not shown to be corrupt.  "> 

Outstanding slogan! "Vote Hillary! Not proven to have violated public corruption laws!" ">

What's your slogan? "Hillary's corrupt because...reasons?"

This should be simple for you. Give us some corruption.

nohero said:

Jackson_Fusion said:
There is something very interesting happening in the Democratic Party. Even Bernie got shouted at today for saying to vote for Clinton. They're not buying the burning, spinning strawman. Good for them. 

No, it's just the same people who hurled invectives at anybody who wasn't backing Bernie to the bitter end.  It's the same insults.  It's just that they're yelling at Bernie now, for not backing himself to the bitter end. 

Follow-up.  Senator Sanders sent a message to his supporters -

"I ask you as a personal courtesy to me to not engage in any kind of protest on the floor. It's of utmost importance you explain this to your delegations."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-national-convention-speech/

I hope they don't yell more at him for being a traitor to himself in their eyes.

Wait.  I thought protest was a good thing.

There is something about Hillary that brings the worst out in people. 

So the BernieBros just chanted TPP over Rep Elijah Cummings talking about Black Lives Matter. 

drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

You thought what? That I was going to ask you to support your claims?

That's funny?

We're still waiting.

Who's "we"? Got a frog in your pocket?

Look man, you started this thread with a list, incomplete though it is, of Hillary's many...uh, challenges, reminding all and every of some tawdry situation they prob forgot about, on the day the convention kicks off. 

You want to keep this thread going, great! But if you're trying to help Hillary, (sotto voce) psst! You're doing it wrong!

Or maybe it's Bernie.

dave23 said:

There is something about Hillary that brings the worst out in people. 

eliz said:

Or maybe it's Bernie.

dave23 said:

There is something about Hillary that brings the worst out in people. 

?

ctrzaska said:

Wait.  I thought protest was a good thing.

True, as a general rule, but something can be true as a general rule, but not as applied in a specific case.

Some protests are more equal than others.

eliz said:

So the BernieBros just chanted TPP over Rep Elijah Cummings talking about Black Lives Matter. 

Well, the minority vote was never their strong point.  

ice said:

Some protests are more equal than others.

The topic of the discussion (and the specific circumstance) is that Bernie doesn't want them protesting on his behalf.  Which is not a discussion of protests in general.

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

drummerboy said:

So, tell us all about her corruption. We're all ears.

 "> That's what I thought.

You thought what? That I was going to ask you to support your claims?

That's funny?

We're still waiting.

Who's "we"? Got a frog in your pocket? ">

Look man, you started this thread with a list, incomplete though it is, of Hillary's many...uh, challenges, reminding all and every of some tawdry situation they prob forgot about, on the day the convention kicks off. 

You want to keep this thread going, great! But if you're trying to help Hillary, (sotto voce) psst! You're doing it wrong!

what I'm doing is asking for people like you to actually make a case that ANY of the accusations against Hillary are substantial.

Then you know, we can discuss it.

If you don't want to put your money where your mouth is, well..

The point is, of course, that 99% of what's been tossed at Hillary is complete b.s. If you think otherwise, explain yourself.

Or you can just be smug and self-satisfied at your cleverness.

Your choice.