Handling food orders without gloves

The hand sanitizers Do NOTHING against the viruses. They are ANTI BACTERIAL. Only hand washing and keeping hands AWAY from face will help. Those who eat out a lot are unfortunately more at risk because of all that was posted above. Do the research. ETA that the illnesses we all are concerned about are viruses and those hand things DO nothing against them: noro viruses (these are the food borne ones); colds; etc.

Keep your hands away from your face and you too may survive these illnesses like I have.

I had that happen to me. The guy was touching his cell phone with gloved hands, then my food. I said something to him. Same excuse, that they were almost out of gloves. I'm still mad at myself for never telling management.

Wendy, the majority of food-handling related illness is caused by bacteria not virii. Even if virii are involved, often bacteria have enabled a faster transmission into humans, and persist after the virii/microbes die. Proper hand washing techniques are important, but you still need to sanitise every time you change gloves. It's on the NJ health site for environmental health, and also the CDC site (which is where you get directed if asking about food-borne diseases and prevention).

You people will be the first to go when the zombie apocalypse comes.

You gotta led some $hit slide

Dude, phone screens are nasty.

joanne said:
"> I'm surprised to read that someone else's handles your card; here, for security reasons, you handle your card in the EFTPOS machine, not the assistant, almost universally. Especially with payWave. And yes, I'd still sanitise afterwards.

The American banking system is in the dark ages.

Word.

Red_Barchetta said:
You people will be the first to go when the zombie apocalypse comes.


You gotta led some $hit slide

country said:
I was also in a local establishment recently and the person making the sandwiches was not using gloves, and was also licking her fingers while she made the sandwiches. I wonder if we were at the same place...

For what it's worth: my first job in retail was in a deli when I was fourteen or so.

It took the proprietor about two weeks to break me of the habit of running my hand through my hair. His method was simple. every time I ran a hand through my hair; he would tell me to wash my hands again.

Never chastising me in front of a customer; just assertively reminding me of that which he had previously advised.

Starsong said:
Same happened to me at a local establishment; the kid had bare hands, and a half-sticking bandaid. While I watched him make the sandwich, I didn't have the heart to say "no thanks"..so I paid for it and tossed it in the trash right outside. I must have been in a good mood that day..ETA might have been the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in the "make a sandwich" realm.

Ya get what ya paid for.

You paid for the sandwich. I trust it was worth the price.

TomR

It varies by retailer here, Joanne. Sometimes, we run the cards ourselves through a reader, but other times we hand it to the cashier to run it through the machine behind the counter. No consistency there.

And the allergy issue is a whole other can of worms, but it makes perfect sense as one of the reasons for such stringent food-handling rules.

BTW, I saw one episode of "Chopped" where a contestant cut a finger, and before the person managed to wash, put on a bandage, and cover it with a glove, the chicken they were making was contaminated. I would have stopped right there, but s/he served it to the judges. Who, quite rightly, refused to eat it. And I was sitting on the sofa gagging and screaming at the TV. You do need to draw lines somewhere!

Red_Barchetta said:
You people will be the first to go when the zombie apocalypse comes.


You gotta led some $hit slide

Exactly.

PeggyC said:
BTW, I saw one episode of "Chopped" where a contestant cut a finger, and before the person managed to wash, put on a bandage, and cover it with a glove, the chicken they were making was contaminated. I would have stopped right there, but s/he served it to the judges. Who, quite rightly, refused to eat it. And I was sitting on the sofa gagging and screaming at the TV. You do need to draw lines somewhere!

I saw that episode. Ugh.

As far as letting things slide, there are rules and codes enforced in the food industry in NJ that must be obeyed. If you cannot abide, then violations and the possibility of closing down a business will happen. Unfortunately, this is not a first for this establishment.

One can only wonder what goes on behind the scenes-It's not pretty!

Does anyone know why we haven't adapted PayWave so much? We invented it.

mem said:
Does anyone know why we haven't adapted PayWave so much? We invented it.

Right now the card company is on the hook for fraudulent charges, so merchants have no real incentive to upgrade. IIRC they are updating the laws so eventually it will be the end with the weakest security that will be held liable for the fraud, which will hopefully convince merchants to upgrade

Some new credit card rules go into effect on October 1. http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/emv-faq-chip-cards-answers-1264.php

Sorry for the thread drift

Thanks fabulous. I suspect it's that "tiny bit longer" that's holding us back, lol.

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My 18 month old drank toilet water yesterday.

Seriously.

She's still fine. She will survive the zombie apocalypse.

alias said:
My 18 month old drank toilet water yesterday.
Seriously.
She's still fine. She will survive the zombie apocalypse.

I've never understood this "I do it all the time and don't get sick" argument. If somebody could 100% guarantee that you wouldn't get sick from drinking toilet water, would you do it? I'm guessing you would not. Why? Because it's disgusting. I also find it gross when people touch money (which is absolutely filthy) and then touch my food. Will it make me sick? Probably not (although it's possible). It's still gross, and I'd rather not eat at places that can't follow basic hygiene guidelines. The question for me isn't, "will this kill me?" It's, "is this gross?" If you don't care, then that's great--eat your food with dirty hands and enjoy yourself. You'll probably be fine. But that's your choice. When the food preparer is the one with dirty hands, it's a very different situation.

fabulouswalls said:
Some new credit card rules go into effect on October 1. http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/emv-faq-chip-cards-answers-1264.php
Sorry for the thread drift

Too bad they didn't go to chip and pin immediately instead of the transition step of chip and signature. Chip and signature is an issue in Europe even where they take chip and require a pin.

Signatures are useless. I very rarely see a clerk match the signature signed at the POS to the card signature.

alias said:
My 18 month old drank toilet water yesterday.
Seriously.
She's still fine. She will survive the zombie apocalypse.

mine have eating dirt in some occasion ... and don't get me started when she drops food on the floor, picks it up and eats it.

Mine will definitely survive the zombie apocalypse

Chip and signature just reduces card duplication. Since no one checks to see if signatures match, it's completely useless to verify that the cardholder is the owner.

On the other hand, I've had several recent occasions where a clerk has asked me for ID since the signature bar on my card has completely worn away.

For me, food safety laws are analogous to speed limit laws.

Both exist for the safety of the public.

Everyone has a different threshold of acceptance for variance with the law.

alias said:
For me, food safety laws are analogous to speed limit laws.
Both exist for the safety of the public.
Everyone has a different threshold of acceptance for variance with the law.

Well, not everyone. The police generally give a significant cushion before enforcing speed limits, while health inspectors do not. I suspect there's a good reason for that.

ParticleMan said:
Chip and signature just reduces cars duplication. Since no one checks to see if signatures match, it's completely useless to verify that the cardholder is the owner.
On the other hand, I've had several recent occasions where a clerk has asked me for ID since the signature bar on my card has completely worn away.

In the last two weeks in the UK I always had my signature checked. Always. And on several occasions in shopsI've had to wait for a manager to authorize over and above the cashier. They do check. As to chip and pin, almost all of my cards have it and yet the only fraud I've ever had (except for one situation) has been when not in the US. Go figure.

imonlysleeping said:

alias said:
For me, food safety laws are analogous to speed limit laws.
Both exist for the safety of the public.
Everyone has a different threshold of acceptance for variance with the law.

Well, not everyone. The police generally give a significant cushion before enforcing speed limits, while health inspectors do not. I suspect there's a good reason for that.

I've witnessed numerous health dept inspections in NYC that resulted in A ratings. In each instance there were violations of the health code noted.

The inspection process allows for a cushion.

Admittedly, I've never seen toilet water allowed as drinking water.

It takes a certain number of violations for the letter grade to go down, but the restaurant is still cited for the violations on the report.

Agreed

alias said:
My 18 month old drank toilet water yesterday.
Seriously.
She's still fine. She will survive the zombie apocalypse.

Amen.

We've become a nation of over-reactors and complainers. Its no wonder there are allergies to everything nowadays. People survived thousands of years without latex gloves or hand sanitizer. Its only gross because people tell you that it is.

sportsnut said:

People survived thousands of years without latex gloves or hand sanitizer. Its only gross because people tell you that it is.

Humanity may have survived, but plenty of individuals got very sick or even died from food-borne illness along the way. The human race also survived many years of pouring raw sewage into the street, eating off of lead plates, unsanitized surgical instruments, etc., and I don't think anybody would argue in favor of those bad practices. Just because you've never gotten sick before doesn't mean you never will. And don't tell me what I find gross, thanks very much.