GOP2020: What Becomes Of The Collaborators Post-Trump?
Jun 16, 2012 at 5:23am Edited
Never relax, thinking McCain's onboard. He continues to have the correct position on CU! McNasty joins Jeb in shootout with the Mitt gang.*
McCain, the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee, suggested casino magnate Sheldon Adelson's $10 million contribution to a pro-Romney super PAC was a conduit for Adelson to use profits from properties in Macau to shape American elections. McCain also criticized the Supreme Court ruling that allows individuals and corporations to make such unlimited donations to nominally independent political action committees.
"That is a great deal of money. And, again, we need a level playing field and we need to go back to the realization that Teddy Roosevelt had: that we have to have a limit on the flow of money and that corporations are not people," McCain said in an interview with PBS' "NewsHour".
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One thing everybody agrees about Jeb Bush is that he’s a smart man. He spoke this morning to reporters at Bloomberg L.P. (I was not in town, but was able to read accounts of his remarks in almost real time due to the miracle of the Internet.) Bush is clearly engaged in an effort to position himself as the next leader of the Republican Party.
To understand what Bush is saying, you need to anticipate how the party might diagnose the causes of a loss in 2012, and then you can see how he is setting himself as the cure. Bush has been publicly urging Republicans to moderate their tone toward Latinos and to embrace immigration reform. Here is the one issue where Republicans, should they lose, will almost surely conclude that they need to moderate their party stance. The Latino vote is both growing in size and seems to be tilting ever more strongly toward the Democrats, a combination that will rapidly make the electoral map virtually unwinnable. Indeed, the body language of the Romney campaign suggests it already regrets the hard-line stances on immigration it adopted during the primary.
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*Despite dissension within the gang, the Mitt horde rides into town on dressage horses, so they're often hours late to gunfights because their horses tip toe while others gallop. Gang members wince when townfolk whisper "Sissies!" behind their backs. This is terrible for morale.
McCain, the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee, suggested casino magnate Sheldon Adelson's $10 million contribution to a pro-Romney super PAC was a conduit for Adelson to use profits from properties in Macau to shape American elections. McCain also criticized the Supreme Court ruling that allows individuals and corporations to make such unlimited donations to nominally independent political action committees.
"That is a great deal of money. And, again, we need a level playing field and we need to go back to the realization that Teddy Roosevelt had: that we have to have a limit on the flow of money and that corporations are not people," McCain said in an interview with PBS' "NewsHour".
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One thing everybody agrees about Jeb Bush is that he’s a smart man. He spoke this morning to reporters at Bloomberg L.P. (I was not in town, but was able to read accounts of his remarks in almost real time due to the miracle of the Internet.) Bush is clearly engaged in an effort to position himself as the next leader of the Republican Party.
To understand what Bush is saying, you need to anticipate how the party might diagnose the causes of a loss in 2012, and then you can see how he is setting himself as the cure. Bush has been publicly urging Republicans to moderate their tone toward Latinos and to embrace immigration reform. Here is the one issue where Republicans, should they lose, will almost surely conclude that they need to moderate their party stance. The Latino vote is both growing in size and seems to be tilting ever more strongly toward the Democrats, a combination that will rapidly make the electoral map virtually unwinnable. Indeed, the body language of the Romney campaign suggests it already regrets the hard-line stances on immigration it adopted during the primary.
nymag.com
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*Despite dissension within the gang, the Mitt horde rides into town on dressage horses, so they're often hours late to gunfights because their horses tip toe while others gallop. Gang members wince when townfolk whisper "Sissies!" behind their backs. This is terrible for morale.
GL2 said:
GOP Guys on the Same Page
"Bill O'Reilly said that President Obama was acting like Richard Nixon in his handling of the investigation into potential White House leaks."
In other news...
"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) leveled harsh criticism at the Obama campaign on Thursday, comparing the president and his team's efforts to "silence critics" to the actions of Richard Nixon."
Well, I thought the same thing and hadn't seen/heard any of those two people talk about it. It's just a terrific thought, and so amusing.
(Full disclosure, my best friend is a nephew through marriage of G Gordon Liddy!)
Oh my, you mean the Liddy who advised radio listeners to aim for the fed agent's head when he knocks on your door b/c he may be wearing a flack jacket? 
Chris Christie may be trying to tell Wisconsin how to run an economic recovery, but perhaps they should be listening to North Dakota instead:
From a recent analysis of GDP data by state:
North Dakota, with a population of just over 680,000, added 18,100 net jobs in 2011. That was three times as many as the 5,600 created in New Jersey, a state with 8 million residents.
From a recent analysis of GDP data by state:
North Dakota, with a population of just over 680,000, added 18,100 net jobs in 2011. That was three times as many as the 5,600 created in New Jersey, a state with 8 million residents.
mfpark said:
Chris Christie may be trying to tell Wisconsin how to run an economic recovery, but perhaps they should be listening to North Dakota instead:
From a recent analysis of GDP data by state:
North Dakota, with a population of just over 680,000, added 18,100 net jobs in 2011. That was three times as many as the 5,600 created in New Jersey, a state with 8 million residents.
NJ isn't sitting on a gold mine of oil-and interestingly, that's almost all private land. Oil permits on private land can be granted in a matter of weeks, it's close to 3/4 of a year for government land.
A bit of a tangent but I'm reading As Texas Goes... by Collins and pretty much reinforcing everything libs ever thought about TX government including ( the book's theme) how its workings influence the nation at large. Sheesh.
Collins divides politics ( for this book) into empty-place states and crowded-place states and the culture of empty-place even in states where vast metro places might dictate crowded-place thinking...as in TX where 80% live in commuting distance suburbs while retaining the spirit of empty- place government.
Trouble with bills? Try Shooting an Unarmed Teen
In a call on April 12 Zimmerman tells his wife how happy he is about all of the money pouring in from website.
"Oh, man, that feels good… that there are people in America that care," George Zimmerman tells Shellie. "Yeah they do," she responds.
Shellie Zimmerman then tells George how so many people had gone to the website that it crashed several times.
“It makes me feel happy and to lay here and um be okay,” George Zimmerman tells his wife during that phone conversation.
“I’m so happy to know that you’re gonna be okay,” Shellie Zimmerman says. “After this… you’re gonna be able to just, have a great life,”
“We will,” Zimmerman said.
The call was made the day after Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.
In a call on April 12 Zimmerman tells his wife how happy he is about all of the money pouring in from website.
"Oh, man, that feels good… that there are people in America that care," George Zimmerman tells Shellie. "Yeah they do," she responds.
Shellie Zimmerman then tells George how so many people had gone to the website that it crashed several times.
“It makes me feel happy and to lay here and um be okay,” George Zimmerman tells his wife during that phone conversation.
“I’m so happy to know that you’re gonna be okay,” Shellie Zimmerman says. “After this… you’re gonna be able to just, have a great life,”
“We will,” Zimmerman said.
The call was made the day after Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.
rastro said:
Agreed.johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
who pushed the law that is behind all the controversy? Without the GOP this story wouldn't exist.
drummerboy said:
rastro said:
Agreed.johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
who pushed the law that is behind all the controversy? Without the GOP this story wouldn't exist.
Stand your ground premise was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1895 . . .
johnlockedema said:
drummerboy said:
rastro said:
Agreed.johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
who pushed the law that is behind all the controversy? Without the GOP this story wouldn't exist.
Stand your ground premise was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1895 . . .
Excellent non sequiter.
I wonder if we took a poll of the contributors to the Zimmerman defense fund what the political affiliations would show us.
Jun 19, 2012 at 3:40am Edited
johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
Zimmerman shot a black kid vigilante style in cold blood and didn't even get arrested for weeks. And now NRA members are paypalling him money. He's a Republican folk hero!
drummerboy said:
rastro said:
Agreed.johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
who pushed the law that is behind all the controversy? Without the GOP this story wouldn't exist.
ktc said:
johnlockedema said:
I didn't know the GOP had anything to do with Zimmerman?
Zimmerman shot a black kid vigilante style in cold blood and didn't even get arrested for weeks. And now NRA members are paypalling him money. He's a Republican folk hero!
Thanks, ktc and db. I really didn't think I'd have to connect the two for anyone but the usual suspects. The GOP has a bad case of fleas from lying down with dogs. Heroes are made every day in the GOP.
At least I didn't get the "remove that subtitle" outrage, as if this thread had rules.
Zoinks said:
The six people who watch him will take note I am sure.
Which is around 4 more than watch PBS News. Most watch FOX. Perhaps we can get Snooki to comment. She's much more popular than Chris and FOX combined!
Other than the board rules, that Dave and Jamie enforce, I think that YOU get to make the rules on this thread. For sure with respect to the thread title.GL2 said:
At least I didn't get the "remove that subtitle" outrage, as if this thread had rules.
Jun 19, 2012 at 1:58pm Edited
“The real scandal here is what’s legal”
You may even know that, despite the court’s assurance that this money would be entirely independent of the candidates they’re supporting, there are many ways to coordinate without breaking the law. But you might not know how. In North Dakota, Republicans and outside groups appear to have figured out a clever workaround.
Last week, Crossroads GPS, one of the conservative political nonprofits tied to Karl Rove, dropped $70,000 in ads attacking North Dakota Democratic Senate candidate Heidi Heitkamp, bringing their spending to approximately $140,000 in the race so far. Heitkamp’s opponent is Republican congressman Rick Berg. It would be totally illegal for Berg’s campaign to talk to Crossroads GPS and tell them, say, where he thinks it would be most helpful for them to buy ads. But that doesn’t mean the message can’t be conveyed through an intermediary.
Last month, Berg’s campaign finance filings to the FEC showed that his campaign paid the Black Rock Group, a small but powerful Republican strategic consulting firm in Virginia, thousands of dollars for “communications consulting.” Meanwhile, American Crossroads, the “twin” organization of Crossroads GPS (they have the same staff, same offices and the same mission, just different tax and legal structures), is paying thousands of dollars each month to the same firm for “advocacy [and] communications consulting.”
Black Rock group has three partners. The founding partner, Carl Forti, also happens to be American Crossroads’ political director and has served as Crossroads GPS’ advocacy director. (He also helped start Restore Our Future, Mitt Romney’s super PAC.) Another partner, Michael Dubke, is also the founder of Crossroads Media, which does all the ad buying for both American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. Black Rock and Crossroads Media even share the same office.
“The real scandal here is what’s legal,” Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center, told Salon.
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The most notable of the super PAC donors with FCPA (Foreign Corrupt Practices Act) concerns is Sheldon Adelson, international casino magnate and eighth richest person in the United States.
Adelson and his family have already contributed $21.5 million to a super PAC that supported Newt Gingrich's presidential bid, $10 million to the pro-Romney super PAC and $5 million to a super PAC with close ties to House Republican leadership. A recent Huffington Post report found that he had given or promised to give $71 million to both super PACs and nonprofits spending money in the 2012 election.
The billionaire's business, Las Vegas Sands Inc., faces three FCPA investigations into casino operations in Macau, China.
Those investigations center on allegations made by the former Sands China chief executive officer, Steve Jacobs, that payments were made by company representatives in Macau to government officials and deals cut with members of the Chinese mafia known as the Triads.
Both the Las Vegas Sands and Adelson have vehemently denied the allegations by his former employee. In an interview with Macau Business, Adelson stated, "When we win the case, we will go after him in a way that he won’t forget because none of what he says is true and he can’t prove it."
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Best line (apart from post title) is Adelson's "...none of what he says is true and he can't prove it." I think we can safely reduce the quote to "...he can't prove it."
You may even know that, despite the court’s assurance that this money would be entirely independent of the candidates they’re supporting, there are many ways to coordinate without breaking the law. But you might not know how. In North Dakota, Republicans and outside groups appear to have figured out a clever workaround.
Last week, Crossroads GPS, one of the conservative political nonprofits tied to Karl Rove, dropped $70,000 in ads attacking North Dakota Democratic Senate candidate Heidi Heitkamp, bringing their spending to approximately $140,000 in the race so far. Heitkamp’s opponent is Republican congressman Rick Berg. It would be totally illegal for Berg’s campaign to talk to Crossroads GPS and tell them, say, where he thinks it would be most helpful for them to buy ads. But that doesn’t mean the message can’t be conveyed through an intermediary.
Last month, Berg’s campaign finance filings to the FEC showed that his campaign paid the Black Rock Group, a small but powerful Republican strategic consulting firm in Virginia, thousands of dollars for “communications consulting.” Meanwhile, American Crossroads, the “twin” organization of Crossroads GPS (they have the same staff, same offices and the same mission, just different tax and legal structures), is paying thousands of dollars each month to the same firm for “advocacy [and] communications consulting.”
Black Rock group has three partners. The founding partner, Carl Forti, also happens to be American Crossroads’ political director and has served as Crossroads GPS’ advocacy director. (He also helped start Restore Our Future, Mitt Romney’s super PAC.) Another partner, Michael Dubke, is also the founder of Crossroads Media, which does all the ad buying for both American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. Black Rock and Crossroads Media even share the same office.
“The real scandal here is what’s legal,” Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center, told Salon.
____________________________________________
The most notable of the super PAC donors with FCPA (Foreign Corrupt Practices Act) concerns is Sheldon Adelson, international casino magnate and eighth richest person in the United States.
Adelson and his family have already contributed $21.5 million to a super PAC that supported Newt Gingrich's presidential bid, $10 million to the pro-Romney super PAC and $5 million to a super PAC with close ties to House Republican leadership. A recent Huffington Post report found that he had given or promised to give $71 million to both super PACs and nonprofits spending money in the 2012 election.
The billionaire's business, Las Vegas Sands Inc., faces three FCPA investigations into casino operations in Macau, China.
Those investigations center on allegations made by the former Sands China chief executive officer, Steve Jacobs, that payments were made by company representatives in Macau to government officials and deals cut with members of the Chinese mafia known as the Triads.
Both the Las Vegas Sands and Adelson have vehemently denied the allegations by his former employee. In an interview with Macau Business, Adelson stated, "When we win the case, we will go after him in a way that he won’t forget because none of what he says is true and he can’t prove it."
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Best line (apart from post title) is Adelson's "...none of what he says is true and he can't prove it." I think we can safely reduce the quote to "...he can't prove it."
GL2, the whole SuperPac thing is a 'nod and a wink' by both sides. To pretend that only the Republicans are doing this, well, have another martini.
The real scandal is what is not legal. It is the rules that create the wink and nod. Would be better to just allow everyone to spend their money as they see fit without restriction. We need more freedom, not less. Fewer rules, not more.
But GL2 liked it better when unions, with their army of labor, had an ace in the hole.
But GL2 liked it better when unions, with their army of labor, had an ace in the hole.
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