Equal pay for Women's Soccer?

drummerboy said:

Why aren't what jobs the same? How do you make more jobs the same?
What?

 What’s keeping women from doing the same jobs as men?


DaveSchmidt said:


drummerboy said:

 There is no study that shows that women get paid less then men for the same job.
The question I think PVW is asking is: Why aren’t the jobs, or at least more of them, the same?

 Why do so many women want to work less hours per week than men do?


See:  https://scholar.harvard.edu/bolotnyy/publications/why-do-women-earn-less-men-evidence-bus-and-train-operators-job-market-paper


DaveSchmidt said:


drummerboy said:

Why aren't what jobs the same? How do you make more jobs the same?
What?
 What’s keeping women from doing the same jobs as men?

 Like what jobs are you thinking of? What jobs do you think women are being kept from doing?


drummerboy said:


conandrob240 said:

PVW said:

drummerboy said:

PVW said:

drummerboy said:

PVW said:
 This would make sense, if women were allowed to play in the NBA or in men's soccer. Otherwise, the argument is basically "women don't do the same job as men so they shouldn't be paid the same, but also they're not allowed to do the higher paying jobs."
Do you think for a minute that if there were a woman capable of playing in the NBA or men's soccer, that they wouldn't be there already? Do you really think that women don't play at that level simply because they're "not allowed"?
So that's why it's ok that they're paid less, because we've structured our athletics in a way where a women can never qualify for equal pay?
I don't know if the correct answer is "sports should not be gender segregated."  I do know "women should be satisfied with structural inequity" is the wrong answer.
I don't think you actually responded to my point. 

Women athletes get paid less because they produce less revenue. And they don't play in the NBA or men's soccer because they're not "good" enough to play there. (boy, gonna get in trouble for that one)



It's pretty simple.



 Got it -- so rather than saying "women are paid less than men, that's a problem, and here are some challenges that will make this hard to fix," you opted to go for "women are paid less than men, and here's why they deserve it." 
I guess that is a pretty simple point.
 That’s BS. Of course women are paid less than men- many studies show the disparity. And it’s a real issue to fight for. This soccer thing is not an example of the disparity. There are real reasons the men’s team makes more than the women’s team. It’s a bad example and doesn’t reflect the real reasons there is wage disparity.
 There is no study that shows that women get paid less then men for the same job.

 ? There is a huge body of research that shows that women are often paid less for the same job. That’s the crux of wage disparity. Two main issues- 1) in same jobs, with same quail I dictations at similar companies, women get paid less. 2) that women are forced into lower paying jobs fir a variety of reasons thus making the wage gap issue that women make less than men just in general.


One example here: https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap


conandrob240 said:


drummerboy said:

conandrob240 said:

PVW said:

drummerboy said:

PVW said:

drummerboy said:

PVW said:
 This would make sense, if women were allowed to play in the NBA or in men's soccer. Otherwise, the argument is basically "women don't do the same job as men so they shouldn't be paid the same, but also they're not allowed to do the higher paying jobs."
Do you think for a minute that if there were a woman capable of playing in the NBA or men's soccer, that they wouldn't be there already? Do you really think that women don't play at that level simply because they're "not allowed"?
So that's why it's ok that they're paid less, because we've structured our athletics in a way where a women can never qualify for equal pay?
I don't know if the correct answer is "sports should not be gender segregated."  I do know "women should be satisfied with structural inequity" is the wrong answer.
I don't think you actually responded to my point. 

Women athletes get paid less because they produce less revenue. And they don't play in the NBA or men's soccer because they're not "good" enough to play there. (boy, gonna get in trouble for that one)



It's pretty simple.



 Got it -- so rather than saying "women are paid less than men, that's a problem, and here are some challenges that will make this hard to fix," you opted to go for "women are paid less than men, and here's why they deserve it." 
I guess that is a pretty simple point.

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