Charlottesville, VA

He's a good terrorist because he came from the left. So he gets awards. 

Jackson_Fusion said:

LOST said:

From the late 19th Century to the late 20th both the Republican and Democratic Parties had "Left" and "Right" wings. That changed for the Democratic Party as the result of the Civil Rights Acts under the Johnson Administration. The "Right" of the Democratic Party migrated to the Republican Party. The change of the Republican Party was slightly more gradual.








I do not know what "terrorists" have marched in NYC but a few years ago a former Irish Republican Party leader was Grand Marshall of the St. Patrick's Day Parade. It was very controversial.

Oscar Lopez Rivera

You are skimming the current issue for your own belligerent, underhanded purposes to deflect. Face the music for once. Your party is now the official refuge for madmen. 

fairplay said:

You are skimming the current issue for your own belligerent, underhanded purposes to deflect. Face the music for once. Your party is now the official refuge for madmen. 

When you really think about it... it's my fault.

And yet.... you bear no responsibility for Bernie's campaign shooter or Antifa, am I right?

Why is that, exactly?

Try to reason it out without emotion. Thanks in advance.

One Bernie-loving lunatic is falsely equivalent to a mass Nazi movement, finding comfort and solidarity with Trump.  Repeat after me: "White supremacist terrorism."

I find it reprehensible that anyone would even pretend to support the actions of yesterday, and of Friday night. White supremacists came looking for a fight and they found one. Then, when one (perhaps fringe) member didn't like the protests, he decided to mow down people with his car, and then back up to try to claim more victims. It doesn't matter whether you're left or right, you must condemn such abhorrent behavior. To do elsewise is to (at the very least) passively support it.

Jackson_Fusion said:

ridski said:

Jackson_Fusion said:

LOST said:

Jackson_Fusion said:



 
Funny- when a Bernie campaign member shot up elected officials, the right fell all over itself declaring it had nothing to do with Bernie or his people. Some nazi ******* drives a car into a crowd- 100% on the right's head. 

Really?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/republicans-divided-over-trumps-call-unity-after-steve-scalise-shooting-625932%3famp=1


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4818371/paul-ryan-steve-scalise-shooting-congress-speech-transcript/%3fsource=dam





Really!

Compare/contrast

https://twitter.com/nancypelosi/status/896494890300747777


Oh, Nancy...

Is White Supremacy not an affront to American values? I'm missing something in your argument here.

You are- the "repeat after me" part. It's right there in the tweet, go look amigo!

The Newsweek link quotes Trump, Paul Ryan, Steve King and Newt Gingrich. Steve King and Newt Gingrich are most definitely not "falling over themselves" to to declare it has nothing to do with Bernie or his people. Both of them in that article mention growing violence on the left.

Nancy Pelosi's tweet calls on President Trump to denounce White Supremacism as an affront to American values. Which it is. Others on the right seem to know this. 

Example: Paul Ryan called the views of the alt-right protesters "repugnant" and said "White Supremacy is a scourge." 

Senator Cory Gardner also called on President Trump to "evil by its name". Chuck Grassley and Marco Rubio tweeted similar messages yesterday. 

So, no. I don't get what your point is. Sorry.

I mean, Orrin f**king Hatch, ferchrissake.

https://twitter.com/senorrinha...

if there was no fa, antifa wouldn't exist 

Jackson_Fusion said:
 

fairplay said:

You are skimming the current issue for your own belligerent, underhanded purposes to deflect. Face the music for once. Your party is now the official refuge for madmen. 

When you really think about it... it's my fault.

And yet.... you bear no responsibility for Bernie's campaign shooter or Antifa, am I right?

Why is that, exactly?

Try to reason it out without emotion. Thanks in advance.

The woman who was killed was, apparently, a Charlottesville resident who protested the hate speech that arrived in her town.  She is being slandered by EVERY PERSON WHO SAYS "BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME".

The difference is hate speech - the Klan and neo-Nazis practice it, and are responsible.  Bernie supporters are not responsible for the one nut job. 

Try to reason with facts, it helps.

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Why do so many respond to @Gilgul?

kibbegirl said:

Why do so many respond to @Gilgul?

Outrage

dave23 said:

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Don't forget the people on the left who supported Bernie and spent the entire general election campaign complaining about Hillary Clinton's flaws and playing into the Trump campaign's message that both candidates were equally dangerous.

ml1 said:

if there was no fa, antifa wouldn't exist 

The anarchists have been lurking and bubbling for a long time looking for an opportunity to latch on to something and spread their chaos. 

Stoughton said:

dave23 said:

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Don't forget the people on the left who supported Bernie and spent the entire general election campaign complaining about Hillary Clinton's flaws and playing into the Trump campaign's message that both candidates were equally dangerous.

Indeed but that's a fraction of a fraction. 60 million Republicans voted for this after building towards it for 8+ years. 

Gilgul said:

ml1 said:

if there was no fa, antifa wouldn't exist 

The anarchists have been lurking and bubbling for a long time looking for an opportunity to latch on to something and spread their chaos. 

That would be shocking if it made any sense.

dave23 said:

Stoughton said:

dave23 said:

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Don't forget the people on the left who supported Bernie and spent the entire general election campaign complaining about Hillary Clinton's flaws and playing into the Trump campaign's message that both candidates were equally dangerous.

Indeed but that's a fraction of a fraction. 60 million Republicans voted for this after building towards it for 8+ years. 

That fraction denied enough votes to Clinton in those critical very tight states to enable the election of Trump.

Dave23 You are proving that you are fine with violent reactions if it is on your side. That is what makes Antifa so dangerous. To many like you it represents good violence and repression. 

BG9 said:

dave23 said:

Stoughton said:

dave23 said:

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Don't forget the people on the left who supported Bernie and spent the entire general election campaign complaining about Hillary Clinton's flaws and playing into the Trump campaign's message that both candidates were equally dangerous.

Indeed but that's a fraction of a fraction. 60 million Republicans voted for this after building towards it for 8+ years. 

That fraction denied enough votes to Clinton in those critical very tight states to enable the election of Trump.

Yes. But we can't forget that tens of millions of Republicans voted for him.

Gilgul said:

Dave23 You are proving that you are fine with violent reactions if it is on your side. That is what makes Antifa so dangerous. To many like you it represents good violence and repression. 

Feel free to quote me where I say that. 

I'm old enough to remember when you called Obama an anti-Semite. Now that we have some real ones in the streets and in the WH you are spending a whole lot of energy trying to find other things to talk about.

dave23 said:

BG9 said:

dave23 said:

Stoughton said:

dave23 said:

The Republicans voted in a man who cannot bring himself to say bad things about Nazis. And who placed white supremacists in the White House.

But the left!

Don't forget the people on the left who supported Bernie and spent the entire general election campaign complaining about Hillary Clinton's flaws and playing into the Trump campaign's message that both candidates were equally dangerous.

Indeed but that's a fraction of a fraction. 60 million Republicans voted for this after building towards it for 8+ years. 

That fraction denied enough votes to Clinton in those critical very tight states to enable the election of Trump.

Yes. But we can't forget that tens of millions of Republicans voted for him.

True. And they are the real issue. If not Trump, they would have found and supported some other deplorable.

Gilgul said:

ml1 said:

if there was no fa, antifa wouldn't exist 

The anarchists have been lurking and bubbling for a long time looking for an opportunity to latch on to something and spread their chaos. 

Some would say Trump is an anarchist.

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incredible that anyone even bothers to offer any kind of support to white-nationalists in this situation.

JF and gilgul - wtf exactly is wrong with you? Not, of course, that you would have a clue.

But these people are the scum of the earth. People who protest them are not.

Can't you tell the effing difference? Of course you can. But you want to give them succor anyway.

That's pretty effed up. No matter how you look at it.

Jackson_Fusion said:

When you really think about it... it's my fault.

And yet.... you bear no responsibility for Bernie's campaign shooter or Antifa, am I right?

Why is that, exactly?

Try to reason it out without emotion. Thanks in advance.

Anyone who refers to James Hodgkinson as "Bernie's campaign shooter" while calling for clinical reasoning is sending a mixed message.

Where do I "offer support". Nowhere. That is what so many of you (willful) do not get. The white nationalists and Nazis are totally abhorrent. All I am saying is that I consider Antifa just as bad and maybe even more dangerous . And they are. It really is Hitler vs. Stalin. 

drummerboy said:

incredible that anyone even bothers to offer any kind of support to white-nationalists in this situation.


JF and gilgul - wtf exactly is wrong with you? Not, of course, that you would have a clue.

But these people are the scum of the earth. People who protest them are not.

Can't you tell the effing difference? Of course you can. But you want to give them succor anyway.

That's pretty effed up. No matter how you look at it.

fairplay said:

Gilgul said:

ml1 said:

if there was no fa, antifa wouldn't exist 

The anarchists have been lurking and bubbling for a long time looking for an opportunity to latch on to something and spread their chaos. 

Some would say Trump is an anarchist.

Clearly you are an expert on Anarchists................know any?

Anarchism is, in my view, basically a kind of tendency in human thought which shows up in different forms in different circumstances, and has some leading characteristics.  Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy.  It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal families to, say, imperial systems, and it asks whether those systems are justified.  It assumes that the burden of proof for anyone in a position of power and authority lies on them.  Their authority is not self-justifying.  They have to give a reason for it, a justification.  And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usual case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just.  And, as I understand it, anarchy is just that tendency.  It takes different forms at different times. ----Noam Chomsky

Trump is no anarchist.

Unite The Right organizer Jason Kessler tried to hold a press conference in Charlottesville yesterday. Folks there weren't having any of that. 

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