Big Game Hunting

mjh said:

GGartrell said:

I still believe in less than a years time this guy will be back pulling teeth and no one will remember this.

I sincerely doubt it. Perceptions of animal abuse bring out the crazy in a big way. I think the man has legitimate reason to be very afraid.
I don't like what he did but I absolutely don't support the crazy responses.

You may be right. Too bad it isnt the same way when people are killed.

Jackson_Fusion said:
The people harassing and threatening his family are much, much, much worse people than a guy who shot a lion. But they see themselves as mighty righteous avenging Angels, fighting for the memory of an animal they never heard of until 15 minutes ago.
600 lions are legally killed a year. If you do a google search for "Cecil the Lion" customized to look before 7/1/15 you get zero results. So can we stop with the "this lion was special" nonsense? Special to whom? People who lived in the area? People who allow permitting and shooting of their lions?
Understand that the people who are most incensed about this are likely incensed about any number of things, any number of times a day. Don't get caught up in it. Have a reasonable discussion on whether or not big game hunting is good or bad? Of course. Propose a solution to stop it, legally? Yes, if you wish! Get wrapped up in some sort of Fantasia about what you want to happen to the guy? See a shrink.
Social media has become a place where the most demented and lost are able to vent their illness on the rest of the world. Everyone likes a freak show, so they get wide play. It's never good to encourage the histrionic, but on Twitter and elsewhere these nuts find each other and whip themselves into a frenzy.

+100. They wouldn't care nearly as much if the creature hadn't been given a cute name. Anthropomorphism has a weird affect on people.

They are doing themselves a disservice because eventually people are going to feel bad for this doosh.

kibbegirl said:
Can you imagine how savage he may be as a dentist? I would never go back to his office after finding this out.
BTW, the NY Times printed a glowing article on him in '09. In the sports section, of all places.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/sports/13elk.html?_r=2&

The NYT. Is great at a lot of things. Except sports.

Palmer's friend explained, “He’s taken a number of animals at 80 yards and some as much as 100 or more. He is so skilled and so trained … he can consistently …. eight or nine times out of 10 hit a grapefruit at 100 yards."

“He’s a very driven man … He lives an intense, fast-paced life, and hunting is a great passion.

“He’s taken all five of the dangerous Big Five of African game, including a rhinoceros, and that’s one of the most dangerous animals to take with a bow and arrow.”

"...the challenge is pitting man, as a predator, against other predators. You’re subjecting yourself to significant risk,” he said. “The polar bear is … actually hunting you while you’re hunting him. When you’re hunting a grizzly bear you have to get very, very close and it often doesn’t go well. Many guides and hunters have been maimed or killed.”

These guys think of themselves as heroic and courageous.

Pathetic.

Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.

It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.

Hardly. Walter can go to hell.

And he should.

Jackson_Fusion said:
The people harassing and threatening his family are much, much, much worse people than a guy who shot a lion. But they see themselves as mighty righteous avenging Angels, fighting for the memory of an animal they never heard of until 15 minutes ago.
600 lions are legally killed a year. If you do a google search for "Cecil the Lion" customized to look before 7/1/15 you get zero results. So can we stop with the "this lion was special" nonsense? Special to whom? People who lived in the area? People who allow permitting and shooting of their lions?
Understand that the people who are most incensed about this are likely incensed about any number of things, any number of times a day. Don't get caught up in it. Have a reasonable discussion on whether or not big game hunting is good or bad? Of course. Propose a solution to stop it, legally? Yes, if you wish! Get wrapped up in some sort of Fantasia about what you want to happen to the guy? See a shrink.
Social media has become a place where the most demented and lost are able to vent their illness on the rest of the world. Everyone likes a freak show, so they get wide play. It's never good to encourage the histrionic, but on Twitter and elsewhere these nuts find each other and whip themselves into a frenzy.

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Zimbabwe is asking for extradition. I'm fine with that and hope he gets shipped out. Apparently this isn't the first time he has violated laws while hunting so I don't buy his excuse of not realizing it wasn't legal.

Harassing his kids, however, is absolutely wrong. I don't care what crime he is accused of, his children aren't responsible for his actions.

Has anyone seen this month's National Geographic magazine? There's an article about taxidermy and in it there is a shot of another American "trophy hunter" - don't recall his name off-hand, but he's an oil magnate from Texas. The picture shows this man and his wife sitting in a room with the various animals he has killed over the years: several male lions, a giraffe, zebras, some leopards (maybe cheetahs), lots of gazelle-type animals and more that I can't recall.

How can people feel gratified to be surrounded by the dead bodies of animals they have killed for no reason? He didn't eat them, I don't think their herds needed culling....I would run screaming from a room full of death like that one, not sit proudly smiling in the middle of it.

mjh said:

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Threatening to kill him is much much much worse than Palmer actually killing the lion?

sbenois said:

mjh said:

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Threatening to kill him is much much much worse than Palmer actually killing the lion?

That wasn't the question. But nevermind.

sbenois said:

mjh said:

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Threatening to kill him is much much much worse than Palmer actually killing the lion?

Yes.

I wonder how many of those passionately attacking this man and his family are furiously working to find justice for the other 600 lions killed by hunters every year that they likewise wouldn't know anything about if it didn't show up in their Twitter feed.

Next week someone else will get their turn for two minutes of hate

I can be outraged by cruel factory farming practices AND what happened to Cecil the lion. One big difference is that African lions are at risk - there are only about 20,000 lions left. To hunt, in the fashion that he did, a vulnerable species is revolting.

I do think the internet has gone a little nuts. However, I hope that all legal avenues are pursued and if there is any justice he'll end up in a Zimbabwean prison (not likely), barring that still his life as he knew it is no longer. If I were a big game trophy hunter I'd think twice before shooting anything.

marylago said:
I don't agree with this entirely, but it is "food for thought." I am only pasting the two opening paragraphs since the article is quite long and rather revolting.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/30/9074547/cecil-lion-chicken-meat
Eating chicken is morally worse than killing Cecil the lion
If the outcry over the killing of Cecil the lion tells us anything, it's that people are capable of genuine moral outrage at the needless killing of animals. And good for them. Animals are conscious beings capable of feeling pleasure and pain, and we have an obligation to make their lives as good as possible.
But in a given year, the typical American will cause the death of 30 land animals, and 28 chickens, by eating meat. And these animals aren’t just killed, they effectively live lives of constant torture and suffering — not directly at the hands of the people who eat them, but at the hands of the meat producers who sell them.

According to a previous poster, there were 600 lions killed legally last year. The estimated lion population (in the wild) is 15,000 - 30,000 lions. 30 years ago it was 200,000 lions.

We (humans) are going to drive lions into extinction. Humans killed between 2 and 4% of the lion population last year. This does not account for any lions that died naturally. It's not a question of if but when will lions be extinct?

Jackson_Fusion said:

Next week someone else will get their turn for two minutes of hate

Bill Cosby is relieved.

Your compassion for a guy who has killed these animals just for the heck of it (oops, I forgot...it's to show his accuracy with a bow and arrow) is very moving.

Jackson_Fusion said:

sbenois said:

mjh said:

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Threatening to kill him is much much much worse than Palmer actually killing the lion?

Yes.
I wonder how many of those passionately attacking this man and his family are furiously working to find justice for the other 600 lions killed by hunters every year that they likewise wouldn't know anything about if it didn't show up in their Twitter feed.
Next week someone else will get their turn for two minutes of hate

I don't understand why lions are still hunted and not protected outside a sanctuary (not that it did Cecil any good.)

sbenois said:
Your compassion for a guy who has killed these animals just for the heck of it (oops, I forgot...it's to show his accuracy with a bow and arrow) is very moving.

Jackson_Fusion said:

sbenois said:

mjh said:

sbenois said:
Yes the people who are harassing this total ***** are much, much, much, worse that he is.
It's terrrrrrible that he's getting such awful treatment. Just awful.




Hardly. Walter can go to hell.


And he should.

So, you think threatening to kill him is OK?

Threatening to kill him is much much much worse than Palmer actually killing the lion?

Yes.
I wonder how many of those passionately attacking this man and his family are furiously working to find justice for the other 600 lions killed by hunters every year that they likewise wouldn't know anything about if it didn't show up in their Twitter feed.
Next week someone else will get their turn for two minutes of hate

I sense sarcasm, but taking you for a moment earnestly- relative to wishing he burn in eternal hellfire, my view is probably not so much compassionate as emotionally continent

sbenois said:
Your compassion for a guy who has killed these animals just for the heck of it (oops, I forgot...it's to show his accuracy with a bow and arrow) is very moving.

I have no compassion for him, but I'm just not a supporter of extra-judicial mob "justice".

yahooyahoo said:
I'm against hunting. What happened with Cecil the Lion is inexcusable and the hunters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunting lions should be outlawed completely.
However, the lynch mob mentality around this is really scary. Everyone has decided that they can be judge, jury, and executioner and use social media to destroy people.

+10

RealityForAll said:

yahooyahoo said:
I'm against hunting. What happened with Cecil the Lion is inexcusable and the hunters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Hunting lions should be outlawed completely.
However, the lynch mob mentality around this is really scary. Everyone has decided that they can be judge, jury, and executioner and use social media to destroy people.

+10

Nice how the Internet has returned us to the small village in some ways.

Some of you might enjoy this dog-bites-man story:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/armadillo-shooting-texas

Texas Man Hurt When Bullet Ricochets Off Armadillo He Tried To Shoot

An East Texas man was hospitalized early Thursday morning after a bullet he fired at an armadillo ricocheted back at his head, KLTV reported.

The man shot at the armadillo just before 3 a.m. on Thursday after seeing it on the freeway in the town of Marietta, Texas, according to Cass County Sheriff official.

The bullet ricocheted back at his head. The man was treated for minor injuries. Local reports are unclear as to the condition of the armadillo.

This was the second armadillo-shooting-followed-by-ricochet of the year. The first, in Georgia in April, injured the shooter’s mother-in-law. The man shot the armadillo, the bullet bounced and then passed through a fence and into her mobile home while she sat in a recliner. Her injuries were minor but the armadillo did not survive.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/armadillo-shooting-texas
Texas Man Hurt When Bullet Ricochets Off Armadillo He Tried To Shoot
An East Texas man was hospitalized early Thursday morning after a bullet he fired at an armadillo ricocheted back at his head, KLTV reported.

What if there were a God, but only for dumb animals?

Distinguishing what is truly dumb among all species, however, may be the question.

No one wants to kill him. We would have just preferred his fancy bow and high tech gear fail him for once, then -- since the testosterone-fueled, thrill-seeking dentist was the aggressor -- nature could take its course. For once, it would be a fair fight.

Cecil was minding his own business. Palmer was not.

Great news Jackson Fusion....there is at least one more ***** out there for you to use as an example of how awful those crazy Internet people are.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/01/world/cecil-the-lion-brother-jericho-illegally-killed/index.html

sbenois said:
Great news Jackson Fusion....there is at least one more ***** out there for you to use as an example of how awful those crazy Internet people are.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/01/world/cecil-the-lion-brother-jericho-illegally-killed/index.html

http://youtu.be/moSFlvxnbgk

NPR is reporting that there are conflicting reports on whether or not Jericho has been killed or not. Also, if he is still alive researchers are saying he is protecting Cecil's cubs since some may also be Jericho's. It is very sad that Cecil was killed in the way he was but I am finding it very interesting to have learned how male lions form pacts like the ones Cecil and Jericho had. I was always under the impression that adult males didn't associate with other adult males

A link to NPR about the conflicting stories of Jericho if anyone is interested.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/01/428426035/jericho-isnt-cecils-brother-and-is-probably-still-alive-lion-researcher-says

Palmer now belong described as the most hated man on Earth.

We can hope the potential of public shaming on the internet tubes will cause other brave Bwanas to reconsider their pathway to fame and glory

Formerlyjerseyjack said:
Palmer now belong described as the most hated man on Earth.


We can hope the potential of public shaming on the internet tubes will cause other brave Bwanas to reconsider their pathway to fame and glory

Yes, let us hope that a fringe of lunatics psyching each other up to "do something" about this guy and his family intimidates others to think twice before crossing whatever line the mob draws next.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls....