Bernie's 2020 Campaign: August 2016 - At least through April, apparently

nan said:

BG9 said:
Nan has done a great job in convincing us. Not to vote for Bernie.

 As if you were for him for even a second. 

You haven't paid enough attention.

I did say Bernie's Medicaid plan is good. Probably the only one who wants to fix the current deficiencies. I also said I'd vote for him over Trump.

I also criticized the other candiates. Booker on his vote to ban drug sales from Canada, Gillibrand on her quick reposition from "A" rated NRA supporter and Blue Dog Democrat to liberal. Harris the draconian prosecutor. Is this the best we can do? Sad.

However, you made me think more about Bernie. His lame union, his many lame comments. And then there's this messianic cult Bernie's developed. Not healthy. After Trump the last thing we need is another cultish president. We had enough shocks to our political system.

BG9 said:

nan said:

BG9 said:
Nan has done a great job in convincing us. Not to vote for Bernie.

 As if you were for him for even a second. 

You haven't paid enough attention.
I did say Bernie's Medicaid plan is good. Probably the only one who wants to fix the current deficiencies. I also said I'd vote for him over Trump.
I also criticized the other candiates. Booker on his vote to ban drug sales from Canada, Gillibrand on her quick reposition from "A" rated NRA supporter and Blue Dog Democrat to liberal. Harris the draconian prosecutor. Is this the best we can do? Sad.
However, you made me think more about Bernie. His lame union, his many lame comments. And then there's this messianic cult Bernie's developed. Not healthy. After Trump the last thing we need is another cultish president. We had enough shocks to our political system.

 Bernie did not form the Union.......his staff did.  If it's the one I think it is,  they ain't so lame.

BG9 said:
You haven't paid enough attention.
I did say Bernie's Medicaid plan is good. Probably the only one who wants to fix the current deficiencies. I also said I'd vote for him over Trump.
I also criticized the other candiates. Booker on his vote to ban drug sales from Canada, Gillibrand on her quick reposition from "A" rated NRA supporter and Blue Dog Democrat to liberal. Harris the draconian prosecutor. Is this the best we can do? Sad.
However, you made me think more about Bernie. His lame union, his many lame comments. And then there's this messianic cult Bernie's developed. Not healthy. After Trump the last thing we need is another cultish president. We had enough shocks to our political system.

 You have mentioned this before, but what exactly is this "messianc cult"?   Are you saying people who support Bernie Sanders are part of a cult?  How does that work?   How is that different than people who support other candidates?  

From my understanding, people in a cult follow a leader and do what they say without question.  If that's how you view Sanders supporters than how do you explain all the anxiety about Bernie supporters not voting for the Democratic nominee that Bernie told them to vote for?  How do explain all the negative criticism Sander's supporters heap on him themselves?  His supporters complained about his views on guns until he changed his position.  Same thing seems to be happening with foreign policy.  

Sanders supporters only like Bernie because of his policies.  If he stopped supporting Medicare for All or the Green New Deal, we would dump him like hot potato.  We like him because he's been so consistently on the side of workers for decades,  is not corrupted by corporate money and seem like the strongest advocate to lead the charge for major, revolutionary change. 

nan said:

BG9 said:
You haven't paid enough attention.
I did say Bernie's Medicaid plan is good. Probably the only one who wants to fix the current deficiencies. I also said I'd vote for him over Trump.
I also criticized the other candiates. Booker on his vote to ban drug sales from Canada, Gillibrand on her quick reposition from "A" rated NRA supporter and Blue Dog Democrat to liberal. Harris the draconian prosecutor. Is this the best we can do? Sad.
However, you made me think more about Bernie. His lame union, his many lame comments. And then there's this messianic cult Bernie's developed. Not healthy. After Trump the last thing we need is another cultish president. We had enough shocks to our political system.

 You have mentioned this before, but what exactly is this "messianc cult"?   Are you saying people who support Bernie Sanders are part of a cult?  How does that work?   How is that different than people who support other candidates?  

Some are, obviously. Sad you don't understand or this is difficult for you.

BG9 said:
Some are, obviously. Sad you don't understand or this is difficult for you.

 Well, please explain.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html

author said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html

 Did you cite that Victor Davis Hanson column as a demonstration of a warped mind-set that produces a Trump supporter?

Sanders hired his Twitter attack dog:

Since December, David Sirota has, on Twitter, on his own website, and in columns in The Guardian, been trashing most of Sanders’s Democratic opponents—all without disclosing his work with Sanders—and has been pushing back on critics by saying that he was criticizing the other Democrats as a journalist.

 He centered many of his attacks on Beto O’Rourke, but he also bashed Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Joe Biden, Kirsten Gillibrand, Michael Bennet, John Hickenlooper, Mike Bloomberg, and even Andrew Cuomo.

Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog

nohero said:

author said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html

 Did you cite that Victor Davis Hanson column as a demonstration of a warped mind-set that produces a Trump supporter?

 When you attack your opponents as a "basket of undesirables' ,  you not only lower yourself to the of Trump............you reveal your elitism.

author said:
 When you attack your opponents as a "basket of undesirables' ,  you not only lower yourself to the of Trump............you reveal your elitism.

According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe he's responsible for the economic recovery that started under Obama, and that he's accomplishing something with this: "He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing."

According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters are "appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda", and believe there is "a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism" and "open borders".  

According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe his language is no worse than that of previous presidents.

His voters are self-defined, by these and other beliefs.

nohero said:

author said:
 When you attack your opponents as a "basket of undesirables' ,  you not only lower yourself to the of Trump............you reveal your elitism.

According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe he's responsible for the economic recovery that started under Obama, and that he's accomplishing something with this: "He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing."
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters are "appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda", and believe there is "a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism" and "open borders".  
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe his language is no worse than that of previous presidents.
His voters are self-defined, by these and other beliefs.

 So happy you are content to attack his followers..............how about asking yourself the important question ,who is the President?  And where is she now?

What is that phrase about missing the Forrest through the trees?

nohero said:
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe he's responsible for the economic recovery that started under Obama, and that he's accomplishing something with this: "He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing."
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters are "appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda", and believe there is "a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism" and "open borders".  
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe his language is no worse than that of previous presidents.
His voters are self-defined, by these and other beliefs.

 The first two have nothing to do with why people would have voted for him in 2016

All of those things are false. People who believe those things are ignorant.

What percentage of Trump supporters are motivated in whole or in part by racism?

What percentage of Trump supporters overlook his racism and despicable conduct because they are motivated in whole or in part by their love of money?

What percentage of Trump supporters agree with his hatred of John McCain which persists even after McCain's death?

Donald Trump is a very bad person and a stain on America. People who don't see that are ignorant or blind. People who see it and don't care because they feel they are benefiting personally are morally deficient and unpatriotic.

Genocidal tyrants have their supporters who can give many reasons for their support.

How many "ordinary citizens" gladly participated in the Holocaust? If Trump called for the extermination of all Latinos or all Muslims how many of his supporters would desert him and how many would not?

Sorry, this thread is about Bernie Sanders, not the scumbag in the WH but any defense of that human piece of garbage makes my blood boil.

BG9 said:
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog

 Here is a rebuttal:

nohero said:
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe he's responsible for the economic recovery that started under Obama, and that he's accomplishing something with this: "He jawbones companies to curb offshoring and outsourcing."
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters are "appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda", and believe there is "a disturbing tolerance among some Democrats for anti-Semitism" and "open borders".  
According to Victor Davis Hanson, Trump voters believe his language is no worse than that of previous presidents.
His voters are self-defined, by these and other beliefs.

 Funny how Mr Hanson seems to ignore the racism that underlies most   Trump voters' motivations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/us/politics/trump-white-voters-politics.html

nan said:

BG9 said:
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog

 Here is a rebuttal:

Sirota was obviously shilling for Bernie, and according to reports was doing so (claiming to still be a journalist) while assisting Bernie.

And whatever the "rebuttal" is, I'm not going to spend 20 minutes (that's the length of the video) watching this guy (because that's what the video really is) ramble on.  So if Ms. Nan could tell us what the point is, that would be helpful. 

nohero said:
Sirota was obviously shilling for Bernie, and according to reports was doing so (claiming to still be a journalist) while assisting Bernie.
And whatever the "rebuttal" is, I'm not going to spend 20 minutes (that's the length of the video) watching this guy (because that's what the video really is) ramble on.  So if Ms. Nan could tell us what the point is, that would be helpful. 

 OK, forget the rebuttal I posted.  It's good, but more information has since come to light and and more articles/videos are coming out.  This Atlantic article by  Edward-Isaac Dovere, the one you are basing these claims is full of crap.  The author is a well-known Bernie hater and wrote negative articles on him during 2016. He is keen to attack Sirota because he's an effective writer and good at pointing out FACTUAL problems with the platforms of 2020 candidates. In this campaign, pointing out factual statements about candidates is considered an attack.   

Dovere's condemnation of Sirota is based on that and the theory that he was writing negative stories on Sander's opponents while secretly employed by him.  But, his evidence to support this claim is photoshopped to erase the date of the tweet which would put Sirota in the clear. This video goes into detail on all of the dates and false narrative:

Here's a just published article on the fake news Atlantic Magazine smear attack:

The Atlantic Accused David Sirota of Secretly Working For Bernie Sanders. But Where's the Evidence?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/03/the-atlantic-published-an-unfounded-conspiracy-the.html?fbclid=IwAR3bE1D_AvX4XykR3qI0apCFAv98qCYZ_8jDUWqJlp2Po2M3DBTkylpQgwI

A cloud of scandal hung over Tuesday’s announcement that the Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign had hired investigative journalist David Sirota to fill the role of senior adviser and speechwriter. An article in The Atlantic by Edward-Isaac Dovere, titled “Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog,” made the explosive claim that the veteran journalist had been secretly working for Sanders behind the scenes since December, and using his role as a journalist to attack the Vermont senator’s potential primary opponents.

“Since December, David Sirota has, on Twitter, on his own website, and in columns in The Guardian, been trashing most of Sanders’s Democratic opponents—all without disclosing his work with Sanders—and has been pushing back on critics by saying that he was criticizing the other Democrats as a journalist,” Dovere wrote, moving on to note that thousands of Sirota’s tweets had been deleted.

It was a story that seemed tailor-made to go viral—a political unmasking of a candidate whose brand was integrity while also playing up familiar tropes about his online supporters. In that regard, it did not disappoint—it was quickly picked up and regurgitated by multiple outlets, including The Washington Post and USA Today.

But there was a problem with Dovere’s bombshell: It wasn’t supported by any real evidence.

nan said:
Here's a just published article on the fake news Atlantic Magazine smear attack:


The Atlantic Accused David Sirota of Secretly Working For Bernie Sanders. But Where's the Evidence?
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/03/the-atlantic-published-an-unfounded-conspiracy-the.html?fbclid=IwAR3bE1D_AvX4XykR3qI0apCFAv98qCYZ_8jDUWqJlp2Po2M3DBTkylpQgwI

 According to that article, we're supposed to believe this --

In fact, there wasn’t a campaign to work for until February for the simple reason that it was unclear whether Sanders was going to enter the primary. Multiple campaign insiders confirmed to Paste that Sanders was very much on the fence about running and only made up his mind in the middle of February.

Both Trump and Bernie are like a bad penny you find in a parking lot ....all scratched up and tarnished...and fake

Jaytee said:
Both Trump and Bernie are like a bad penny you find in a parking lot ....all scratched up and tarnished...and fake

 Trump is more like an establishment Democrat than he is like Bernie. Your comparison does not work.

South_Mountaineer said:

nan said:
Here's a just published article on the fake news Atlantic Magazine smear attack:


The Atlantic Accused David Sirota of Secretly Working For Bernie Sanders. But Where's the Evidence?
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/03/the-atlantic-published-an-unfounded-conspiracy-the.html?fbclid=IwAR3bE1D_AvX4XykR3qI0apCFAv98qCYZ_8jDUWqJlp2Po2M3DBTkylpQgwI

 According to that article, we're supposed to believe this --

In fact, there wasn’t a campaign to work for until February for the simple reason that it was unclear whether Sanders was going to enter the primary. Multiple campaign insiders confirmed to Paste that Sanders was very much on the fence about running and only made up his mind in the middle of February.

 Where is your evidence to disprove this? There are more Progressives running this time. He could have endorsed them. Last time, none of them would run, and he felt compelled.

nan said:

Jaytee said:
Both Trump and Bernie are like a bad penny you find in a parking lot ....all scratched up and tarnished...and fake

 Trump is more like an establishment Democrat than he is like Bernie. Your comparison does not work.

 Trump is also more like you than he is like Bernie.  

Red_Barchetta said:
 Trump is also more like you than he is like Bernie.  

 Ok, so we are back to personal attacks then, is it?  Happy Friday to you too. 

nan said:

Red_Barchetta said:
 Trump is also more like you than he is like Bernie.  

 Ok, so we are back to personal attacks then, is it?  Happy Friday to you too. 

 What a perfectly Trumpian response.  

Bernie needs to retire and enjoy one of the three homes he owns.

Man of the people.

nan said:
 Trump is more like an establishment Democrat than he is like Bernie. Your comparison does not work.

 Trump and Bernie are similar in their use of resentment against the "establishment" of their respective parties, to boost themselves.  Trump succeeded because conservatives fall in line; Bernie "succeeded" because too many liberals were fooled into rejecting the Democratic nominee, leaving things wide open for Bernie in 2020.

And everybody knows that Bernie was running long before he announced.  See thread title.

nohero said:

nan said:
 Trump is more like an establishment Democrat than he is like Bernie. Your comparison does not work.

 Trump and Bernie are similar in their use of resentment against the "establishment" of their respective parties, to boost themselves.  Trump succeeded because conservatives fall in line; Bernie "succeeded" because too many liberals were fooled into rejecting the Democratic nominee, leaving things wide open for Bernie in 2020.
And everybody knows that Bernie was running long before he announced.  See thread title.

 Too many Americans,  rejected the Democratic nominee.   Once again the all important Electoral College was ignored by those who rejected " the basket of deplorable"  What a bone head statement.

author said:
 Too many Americans,  rejected the Democratic nominee.   Once again the all important Electoral College was ignored by those who rejected " the basket of deplorable"  What a bone head statement.

 I don't understand this statement.  It seems to me that those who rejected the basket of deplorables statement actually took advantage of the EC by voting in the unqualified child we now have in office. 

Red_Barchetta said:

author said:
 Too many Americans,  rejected the Democratic nominee.   Once again the all important Electoral College was ignored by those who rejected " the basket of deplorable"  What a bone head statement.

 I don't understand this statement.  It seems to me that those who rejected the basket of deplorables statement actually took advantage of the EC by voting in the unqualified child we now have in office. 

 Granted..............she insulted his followers which further motivated them to  vote for him and made a point of her feelings of superiority.  The race was too close and silence would have been better