"Township to stay the course with Daibes" - News Record headline 10/14

OliveBee said:
"The Station House and Daibes project are indeed issues that the current TC needs to own up to however."
yes indeed...and btw Station House was done by the same architect as Post House.

On the Post House, the TC is working well, despite a small - yet vocal - minority set on obstructing the project.

PSA: This thread is not about the Post House. There is no need to poison it, unless, of course, you are unable to control yourself.

Woot said:

OliveBee said:
"The Station House and Daibes project are indeed issues that the current TC needs to own up to however."
yes indeed...and btw Station House was done by the same architect as Post House.

On the Post House, the TC is working well, despite a small - yet vocal - minority set on obstructing the project.

Were you at the PB meeting last week?

A new conceptual site plan presented at 10PM, not discussed, not complete, not recalculated, not revised deviations....voted on blindly with pressure from the developer's attorney and the mayor.

That's working well?

mjh said:
PSA: This thread is not about the Post House. There is no need to poison it, unless, of course, you are unable to control yourself.

OliveBee said:

ml1 said:

OliveBee said:
The design for Station House didn't look liek Station House either.

ml1 said:

OliveBee said:
"The Station House and Daibes project are indeed issues that the current TC needs to own up to however."
yes indeed...and btw Station House was done by the same architect as Post House.

please. just stop. You know as well as anyone that the design doesn't look like the Station House, and there are very specific regulations in place to prevent the use of the same materials in the Post House.

I am getting the sense that you are hoping the Post House doesn't turn out well so you can say "I told you so."
I hope I'm wrong. I would prefer to think you're rooting for the building to turn out well and be an improvement to the village.

We already know it won't turn out well. the building is to large for the site and for the Village. the finances are out of whack. the process was manipulated.
So you expect me to jump up and down with joy now that the approval was railroaded thru in 20 min decision over a new plan? Too many improprieties for my taste.

I don't expect you to approve it if you were so adamantly against it. But now that it appears to be almost certain to be built, I would have hoped you would want it to turn out well for the village. That's how I would be. Even if it wasn't my preferred outcome, as a resident of the township, and someone who lives near the village, and patronizes many of its businesses frequently, I would want it to be a positive addition.

You really do seem like you are actively hoping that the project turns out badly. That's actually quite sad.

mjh said:

mjh said:
PSA: This thread is not about the Post House. There is no need to poison it, unless, of course, you are unable to control yourself.

mjh said:
PSA: This thread is not about the Post House. There is no need to poison it, unless, of course, you are unable to control yourself.

You've hit it on the nose...control, or lack thereof. Kinda sad, isn't it?

It's funny, actually. Though in a sad sorta way I guess. No matter.

The Post House better budget for some extra clean up from the people who will spit at the building everytime they need to pass by.

You're a gem...

That will make it just like South Slope Brooklyn. Perfect. No need to pay for expensive wabi sabi materials then

bramzzoinks said:
The Post House better budget for some extra clean up from the people who will spit at the building everytime they need to pass by.

I think the moderators should create a new category for PO/Post House threads and move every thread that devolves accordingly into that category and sink it (if we still have that capability.) It's really getting old and tiresome!!!!

Then don't read 'em...not rocket science.

Someday, we'll look back on this, and it will all seem funny.

sac said:
I think the moderators should create a new category for PO/Post House threads and move every thread that devolves accordingly into that category and sink it (if we still have that capability.) It's really getting old and tiresome!!!!

not just tiresome, but dismaying and infuriating. The idea that someone would come back here and continue to allege "impropriety" is noxious. There is no evidence of that, and yet the ohno60s continue to make the allegation. I have my own opinions of a couple of the ohno60 folks, but I'll probably regret it if I post it here, so I'll refrain.

The TC voted to terminate the contract with Daibes effective today. Daibes appealed the decision at last night's TC meeting, but the TC unanimously decided to proceed and issue a "stop work" order. I like this precedent of holding a developer's feet to the fire when they don't deliver what they promised. It bodes well in case it is necessary with respect to other projects in the future, and sends a message that the town is serious.

Agreed.

tomdevon said:
The TC voted to terminate the contract with Daibes effective today. Daibes appealed the decision at last night's TC meeting, but the TC unanimously decided to proceed and issue a "stop work" order. I like this precedent of holding a developer's feet to the fire when they don't deliver what they promised. It bodes well in case it is necessary with respect to other projects in the future, and sends a message that the town is serious.

+1

We are talking the building on the corner of Springfield and Burnett, directly across from the police station?

So what happens now with a building that is 3/4 finished?

Did the Town terminate a contract or issue a "stop work" order or both? There is a big difference between the two.

yahooyahoo said:
We are talking the building on the corner of Springfield and Burnett, directly across from the police station?
So what happens now with a building that is 3/4 finished?

Did the Town terminate a contract or issue a "stop work" order or both? There is a big difference between the two.

Yes, the building directly across from MPD on Springfield.

http://villagegreennj.com/towns/government/maplewood-votes-sever-contract-daibes-ongoing-headache/

They have terminated the contract and issued a stop work order, based on what I saw last night while watching the TC meeting (though I confess that I was switching between the Mets and the meeting).

I didn't realize how far behind schedule they were. I wish the TC had been this aggressive with some of the other projects in town.

Dennis_Seelbach said:
Then don't read 'em...not rocket science.

Easier said than done, especially when they are posted in a thread on another topic.

yahooyahoo said:
I didn't realize how far behind schedule they were. I wish the TC had been this aggressive with some of the other projects in town.

Indeed. Their "appeal" was comically bad. Daibes did not even show up; they sent a contractor. And the contractor's story kept changing. At first he blamed the town for not issuing permits, then admitted that he hadn't even done the work for which he did have permits, then admitted that the reason the work was not done was because they didn't have the money to do the job. The TC was obviously fed up with these folks before last night, and things didn't get any better.

yahooyahoo said:
We are talking the building on the corner of Springfield and Burnett, directly across from the police station?
So what happens now with a building that is 3/4 finished?

Did the Town terminate a contract or issue a "stop work" order or both? There is a big difference between the two.

yahooyahoo said:
We are talking the building on the corner of Springfield and Burnett, directly across from the police station?
So what happens now with a building that is 3/4 finished?

Did the Town terminate a contract or issue a "stop work" order or both? There is a big difference between the two.

I wonder if there are any local architects with an unfulfillment complex and a lot of time on his/her hands?

LOL.

nohero said:
Someday, we'll look back on this, and it will all seem funny.

You know playingblind man's bluff is a little baby's game.

mjh said:

mjh said:
PSA: This thread is not about the Post House. There is no need to poison it, unless, of course, you are unable to control yourself.

I apologize I clearly can not control myself.