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Morganna said:
nan said:Just wanted to point out as a few posters have replied to this, that the video is over 3 years old. Would this be his opinion today looking at today's economy? Does that influence anyone's opinion?
Wall Street's wisest: Bernie Sanders is best candidate for economy
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/03/09/wall-streets-wisest-bernie-sanders-is-best-candidate-for-economy-.html?__source=sharebar%7Cfacebook&par=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1Js-BcyT5vJKJp7GzOQbZusPmGoxXExUhq1EV6oCQUMRf9_MqhcWhE_eg
It's also not about the current collection of candidates.
nohero said:
Try not to cry, Bernie stans:
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said in an interview on Sunday that she's not ready yet to endorse a candidate in the Democratic 2020 presidential race.Link
"It's possible that I'll endorse later on perhaps, you know, I do not see myself endorsing any time soon," she said on ABC's "This Week."
"We haven't even had our first debates yet. I'm very interested in seeing how things play out," she added. "So we'll see."
Listen here, Warren Mongers, we don't care when she endorses, but she better endorse Bernie because without him there would be no AOC. Hopefully she won't do what Warren did and endorse someone who is more liked by the establishment for political gain. Not holding my breath though, since people often disappoint.
nan said:
Listen here, Warren Mongers, we don't care when she endorses, but she better endorse Bernie because without him there would be no AOC. Hopefully she won't do what Warren did and endorse someone who is more liked by the establishment for political gain. Not holding my breath though, since people often disappoint.
Yes. People like you.
"Money doesn't grow on trees. So a progressive agenda would most likely prompt business to rein in capital investments which would reduce economic activity."
@Smedley-Haven't the GOP's massive tax cuts already done this?
ridski said:
That lunch he went to is a committee now.
Well, obviously how ever many times they met they had some "action items" which he completed as per my other statements.
Smedley said:
I suspect the opinion would be the same. But the fact that it's a three year old video shows people who are bullish on a Bernie economy are few and far between.
Don't see why this would not apply today to any strong Progressive agenda. The facts haven't changed. The velocity of money is still a thing.
nan said:
Well, obviously how ever many times they met they had some "action items" which he completed as per my other statements.
We know of only one single time he attended a fund raiser lunch where “what are we going to do about Bernie” was a topic on the lips of many attendees and we have no idea who else was there when he was but sure, call that a being “on a committee” if you want.
nan said:
Listen here, Warren Mongers, we don't care when she endorses, but she better endorse Bernie because without him there would be no AOC. Hopefully she won't do what Warren did and endorse someone who is more liked by the establishment for political gain. Not holding my breath though, since people often disappoint.
The goal of most progressives is not to build a new Machine which forces politicians into patron/client relationships. Frankly, I find your post to be quite shocking.
Recently I was speaking with a Bernie lover.She informed me that she, along with many Bernie supporters have switched to Elizabeth Warren. I thought this was interesting.
Here we are, after two years of Nan hitting the issue of campaign donations over and over and over again and she is telling us that AOC has to endorse Bernie because she owes him????
Absolutely shocking!!!!!
galileo said:
Recently I was speaking with a Bernie lover.She informed me that she, along with many Bernie supporters have switched to Elizabeth Warren. I thought this was interesting.
I supported Bernie 110% in 2016 but I have not considered him this time because he is just too old. If I had to pick today, I would go with Warren but I honestly haven’t made up my mind in any serious way. I think that Yang is bringing up some REALLY IMPORTANT issues but I don’t think I would vote for someone with no political background.
ridski said:
We know of only one single time he attended a fund raiser lunch where “what are we going to do about Bernie” was a topic on the lips of many attendees and we have no idea who else was there when he was but sure, call that a being “on a committee” if you want.
Well, as I said, following this report, he made two news-grabbing negative statements about Bernie, and none about any other candidate. So, that is consistent with his reported participation on "Stop Bernie" activities.
Morganna said:
nan said:Just wanted to point out as a few posters have replied to this, that the video is over 3 years old. Would this be his opinion today looking at today's economy? Does that influence anyone's opinion?
Wall Street's wisest: Bernie Sanders is best candidate for economy
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/03/09/wall-streets-wisest-bernie-sanders-is-best-candidate-for-economy-.html?__source=sharebar%7Cfacebook&par=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1Js-BcyT5vJKJp7GzOQbZusPmGoxXExUhq1EV6oCQUMRf9_MqhcWhE_eg
If anything it's more relevant today since we have the Republican tax cut to deal with.
wharfrat said:
"Money doesn't grow on trees. So a progressive agenda would most likely prompt business to rein in capital investments which would reduce economic activity."
@Smedley-Haven't the GOP's massive tax cuts already done this?
AT&T has laid off almost 30,000 people this year, after saying that the tax cut would actually save jobs.
Klinker said:
I supported Bernie 110% in 2016 but I have not considered him this time because he is just too old. If I had to pick today, I would go with Warren but I honestly haven’t made up my mind in any serious way. I think that Yang is bringing up some REALLY IMPORTANT issues but I don’t think I would vote for someone with no political background.
Yang is problematic. I like his UBI proposal, but he makes conflicting statements on how that would work and if it would replace other social welfare programs. $1000 a month is a nice boost, unless they take everything else you are getting away.
Also there is this:
Andrew Yang's Education Ideas And Plans Aren't Bad, They're Much Worse Than That
nan said:
Listen here, Warren Mongers, we don't care when she endorses, but she better endorse Bernie because without him there would be no AOC. Hopefully she won't do what Warren did and endorse someone who is more liked by the establishment for political gain. Not holding my breath though, since people often disappoint.
She can endorse whomever she wants. It won't influence more than a handful of voters.
You keep making up names, like "Warren Mongers". She probably endorsed Hillary because Hillary was the front-runner and maybe because Hillary is female. In any event Warren's answer to Trumpism, which is a cult of personality and based on broad rhetoric and tweets and promises with no substance is to "have a plan for that". As she continues to persist she is building up more and more support.
I give Bernie credit for pushing the progressive message all these years but Liz may be the better messenger.
galileo said:
Recently I was speaking with a Bernie lover.She informed me that she, along with many Bernie supporters have switched to Elizabeth Warren. I thought this was interesting.
Bernie will lose some supporters to Warren, especially if they don't care about foreign policy or the other differences between them, which are significant if you look closely. Also, that she is a woman and 8 years younger appeals to many.
Bernie and Liz are friends and his campaign repeatedly speaks well of her and discourages negative comments. Also note, pointing out differences and records is not negative.
Smedley said:
LOST said:I am an independent voter.
So whom do you favor?
Also, what policies do you favor?
Overall while I believe in some of the principles of the Republican Party, e.g. limited government and self-determination, the GOP went off the rails years ago in my view (starting with GWB post -9/11) and I’ve been voting democrat. I lean fiscally conservative and socially moderate.
The Republican Party doesn't have those principles. It is the Party of Trump who certainly doesn't believe in limited government. He is an authoritarian or aspires to be one. I am not sure what you mean y "self-determination" but it clearly doesn't apply to the GOP's current stand on abortion.
Smedley said:
Whatever man. Humor is a subjective thing. What I think is hilarious is the notion that a progressive boondoggle like Bernie’s “economic bill of rights” won’t collapse under its own weight.
- The right to a decent job with a living wage
- The right to quality health care
- The right to a complete education
- The right to affordable housing
- The right to a clean environment
- The right to a secure retirement
“Don’t worry, son. Cs and Ds are fine, you don’t have to work hard. Comrade Bernie has guaranteed you free college, a decent job and a secure retirement.”
It does not mean that one does not have to work hard at the "decent job with a living wage".
Many years ago I read a poster by a far left Union in Lisbon, Portugal:
"A lazy worker is like a capitalist, because he exploits other workers"
Why shouldn't Americans have quality healthcare and a clean environment?
nan said:
Bernie will lose some supporters to Warren, especially if they don't care about foreign policy or the other differences between them, which are significant if you look closely.
They are joint sponsors of a resolution on Israel and the West Bank. They have differences but not enough that the supporters of one would not be comfortable supporting the other.
LOST said:
She can endorse whomever she wants. It won't influence more than a handful of voters.
You keep making up names, like "Warren Mongers". She probably endorsed Hillary because Hillary was the front-runner and maybe because Hillary is female. In any event Warren's answer to Trumpism, which is a cult of personality and based on broad rhetoric and tweets and promises with no substance is to "have a plan for that". As she continues to persist she is building up more and more support.
I give Bernie credit for pushing the progressive message all these years but Liz may be the better messenger.
It will influence a lot of people, you underestimate her popularity. I'm not making up the Warren Mongers name--this is what they are called, especially in response to being called Bernie Bots or Bernie Bros. I'm just keeping you up updated on the lingo.
We don't know why she endorsed Hillary because when she was asked, she just mumbled word salad. Responses to difficult questions like this are partially why I don't think LIz is a better messenger. I don't think she is as strong as him for facing Donald Trump. I think that when asked difficult questions she starts to squeak.
nan said:
I'm not making up the Warren Mongers name--this is what they are called, especially in response to being called Bernie Bots or Bernie Bros.
You can tell a lot about people by the kind of words they think are good for puns.
LOST said:
They are joint sponsors of a resolution on Israel and the West Bank. They have differences but not enough that the supporters of one would not be comfortable supporting the other.
Actually not true. Her foreign policy bothers a lot of Bernie supporters. This joint resolution helps some, but not enough. Also, her education policy is questionable, related to charter schools, and her main education advisor is a Teach for America person.
Also, she is not reliable on Medicare for All or Green New Deal. Bernie supporters don't see her fighting for either of those policies, especially since she is likely to take corporate money in the general (another difference). She does not seem to really endorse them at all anymore.
Also she voted for the Hyde Amendment twice and for Trump's military budget. It is really critical to take on the military industrial complex and reduce the military budget to get funding for social programs. I don't hear her challenging them at all. Sanders mentions them in every major speech.
Also, he is much more confrontational about taking on all the billionaires and pushing through New Deal Style legislation. She is "a capitalist to her bones" and therefore more neoliberal in her outlook. She goes after Wall Street, but not so much other billionaires and she seeks regulatory change more than transformational.
Basically Bernie supporters see him as having a longer history of supporting real Progressive change and a stronger desire and ability to fight for it. She seems to need the approval of the establishment more, as shown by her endorsing Clinton over Sanders in 2016, despite his platform being much closer to hers.
I think most Sanders supporters will probably vote for her in the general if they feel the primary is fair without having any dark nights of the soul, but we will be disappointed and very worried about her ability to defeat Trump.
Klinker said:
Here we are, after two years of Nan hitting the issue of campaign donations over and over and over again and she is telling us that AOC has to endorse Bernie because she owes him????
Absolutely shocking!!!!!
You are right, that is actually quite old school politics.
LOST said:
Smedley said:The Republican Party doesn't have those principles. It is the Party of Trump who certainly doesn't believe in limited government. He is an authoritarian or aspires to be one. I am not sure what you mean y "self-determination" but it clearly doesn't apply to the GOP's current stand on abortion.
LOST said:I am an independent voter.
So whom do you favor?
Also, what policies do you favor?
Overall while I believe in some of the principles of the Republican Party, e.g. limited government and self-determination, the GOP went off the rails years ago in my view (starting with GWB post -9/11) and I’ve been voting democrat. I lean fiscally conservative and socially moderate.
It does not mean that one does not have to work hard at the "decent job with a living wage".Click to Read More
Many years ago I read a poster by a far left Union in Lisbon, Portugal:
"A lazy worker is like a capitalist, because he exploits other workers"
Why shouldn't Americans have quality healthcare and a clean environment?
We should have quality healthcare and a clean environment. I support stuff like Obamacare and a real EPA that actually proctects the environment rather than protect corporate interests.
But I do not support the current progressive agenda, at least the one espoused by Bernie, of giving away the store, free stuff for everyone.
basil said:
You are right, that is actually quite old school politics.
Old school politics is voting for whom the DNC tells you to vote for not for the person you are most closely aligned politically. She calls herself a Democratic Socialist so she should logically be endorsing the Democratic Socialist.
Smedley said:
We should have quality healthcare and a clean environment. I support stuff like Obamacare and a real EPA that actually proctects the environment rather than protect corporate interests.
But I do not support the current progressive agenda, at least the one espoused by Bernie, of giving away the store, free stuff for everyone.
Bernie is against free stuff too that's is why he calls out socialism for the rich. Medicare for All saves trillions of dollars because it gets rid of the free stuff insurance companies were getting. It is paid for through taxes also, so it is only free at the point of service.
Free College is an investment in our young people and will give them more money to help their lives and put more back into the economy (velocity of money).
nan said:
basil said:Old school politics is voting for whom the DNC tells you to vote for not for the person you are most closely aligned politically. She calls herself a Democratic Socialist so she should logically be endorsing the Democratic Socialist.
You are right, that is actually quite old school politics.
You are just substituting Bernie for the DNC. The concept of political patronage is rotten to the core. If your goal is simply to replace the old machine with a new machine, then that is where we part ways.
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I suspect the opinion would be the same. But the fact that it's a three year old video shows people who are bullish on a Bernie economy are few and far between.