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This was from 3 weeks ago. I guess you missed those late night shows jokes. 

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I looked, but alas I couldn't find anything from 2011. 

sprout said:

This was from 3 weeks ago. I guess you missed those late night shows jokes. 

I don't think the fundamental concepts of Libertarianism have changed in decades. 

However, the POTUS is new this year.

(ETA: Yes, my post above was intended as a snarky reference to your 2011 issue).

Here's the actual article from Time magazine. Long and interesting. The ice cream was just one detail, but a telling one. What kind of host arranges to be served more food than his guests?

http://time.com/donald-trump-a...

The waiters know well Trump’s personal preferences. As he settles down, they bring him a Diet Coke, while the rest of us are served water, with the Vice President sitting at one end of the table. With the salad course, Trump is served what appears to be Thousand Island dressing instead of the creamy vinaigrette for his guests. When the chicken arrives, he is the only one given an extra dish of sauce. At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else. The tastes of Pence are also tended to. Instead of the pie, he gets a fruit plate.

kthnry said:

Here's the actual article from Time magazine. Long and interesting. The ice cream was just one detail, but a telling one. What kind of host arranges to be served more food than his guests?

http://time.com/donald-trump-a...

The waiters know well Trump’s personal preferences. As he settles down, they bring him a Diet Coke, while the rest of us are served water, with the Vice President sitting at one end of the table. With the salad course, Trump is served what appears to be Thousand Island dressing instead of the creamy vinaigrette for his guests. When the chicken arrives, he is the only one given an extra dish of sauce. At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else. The tastes of Pence are also tended to. Instead of the pie, he gets a fruit plate.

an *******.

But that hasn't changed.  He was an ******* when he was a Democratic private citizen.  And now he's the ******* in the White House.

Is it an important story that the POTUS is an *******?  Probably not.  But to paraphrase another famous ******* POTUS, "the American people have a right to know if their president is an *******."

This is critical information for every american no doubt.  However, they have not, in their infinite wisdom, given any coverage(That I can find with the magical google doohickey) of Brett Weinstein and the incident of harassment at Evergreen State College.

From the article:

As a biology professor for 15 years at Olympia’s The Evergreen State College, Bret Weinstein has seen his share of protests, but he’s never been afraid of being on campus until this week. “I have been told by the Chief of Police it’s not safe for me to be on campus,” said Weinstein, who held his Thursday class in a downtown Olympia park. An administrator confirmed the police department advised Weinstein it “might be best to stay off campus for a day or so.” His principal crime was dissenting from a so-called “Day of Absence,” an event in which white students and faculty were asked to leave campus for a day.

I find this a rather extreme version of demonization by the left and specifically what has been happening on American campuses.  It is a good example of what can go wrong when we don't think things though and think as a mob.  This Professor has been labelled a racist and has been told it's unsafe to enter campus.   Interestingly, he seems to be anything but and even left U Penn due to an incident where he wrote an op-ed criticizing a Fraternity for a disgusting racial event.  

I strongly suggest you check out the interview w/ Dave Rubin.  It's pretty interesting.  BTW: He does lament about where the left has been regarding this issue.   He has interviewed on Fox, Dave Rubin, and Joe Rogan, but MSNBC, CNN, NPR have not called for reasons we cannot be too sure about.   

It should be noted that Rubin has been called out for only giving Weinstein's story(Given the situation Weinstein's take is incredibly fair and even charitable IMO).  Weinstein has stated that he would be glad to interview School Administration, students, etc.  However, to my knowledge there haven't been any takers as of yet.  

You appear to be saying I shouldn't give a **** about the first story I don't give a **** about and that I should give a **** about the second story I don't give a **** about.

Interesting story about Evergreen. One of my kids went there.

Anyway, this shows why I don't watch TV news at all. They cover stupid stuff that doesn't matter, and they take it seriously as if it matters.

I don't really care what you give a **** about.   It would be hard to know whether or not you give a **** about the second story if you get your news from CNN. 

I should note that Weinstein is very complimentary of the school.  He seems rather puzzled at the recent behavior, but only has great things to say about the school. 

Tom_Reingold said:

Interesting story about Evergreen. One of my kids went there.

Anyway, this shows why I don't watch TV news at all. They cover stupid stuff that doesn't matter, and they take it seriously as if it matters.

terp said:

I don't really care what you give a **** about.   It would be hard to know whether or not you give a **** about the second story if you get your news from CNN. 

I don't know what you're saying. I'm saying I agree that the ice cream story is dumb, which I believe you feel, too.

terp said:

I don't really care what you give a **** about.   It would be hard to know whether or not you give a **** about the second story if you get your news from CNN. 

I cut cable and stopped watching cable news over a decade ago. I get my news from Pewdiepie now.

Sorry.  That was a response to ridskis earlier post

Tom_Reingold said:

terp said:

I don't really care what you give a **** about.   It would be hard to know whether or not you give a **** about the second story if you get your news from CNN. 

I don't know what you're saying. I'm saying I agree that the ice cream story is dumb, which I believe you feel, too.

Did you start this thread to point out the stupidity of the CNN story and THEN go and find something THE MSM WONT TELL YOU, or did you have the snowflake professor story up your sleeve all along?

did PewDiePie cover both?

To be clear, its just the left side of the MSM that won't cover it.  As mentioned, he was on Tucker Carlson.  

I was a little slow on the uptake on your PewDiePie comment.  To that I will say that there news/media sources on the Web that I trust way more than I trust the MSM.   Those include, but are not limited to, the Intercept, Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, & Dan Carlin off the top of my head.  

ridski said:

Did you start this thread to point out the stupidity of the CNN story and THEN go and find something THE MSM WONT TELL YOU, or did you have the snowflake professor story up your sleeve all along?

ridski said:

Did you start this thread to point out the stupidity of the CNN story and THEN go and find something THE MSM WONT TELL YOU, or did you have the snowflake professor story up your sleeve all along?

The second one.  

Brietbart was all aglow with bashing the MSM about not carrying the story.

If you google the college or the professor you get pretty much a rogue's gallery of white man's rage site links.  One mention by the Washington Post.

It would be interesting to get a more balanced report on the situation. 

Watch the Dave Rubin show for a reasonable interview with the professor.  There's also raw footage all over the place of the incident.  There's been lots of chatter on twitter about this. 

mrincredible said:

If you google the college or the professor you get pretty much a rogue's gallery of white man's rage site links.  One mention by the Washington Post.

It would be interesting to get a more balanced report on the situation. 

terp said:

did PewDiePie cover both?

I think he wishes he did.

#HaveNeverActuallySeenPewdiepie #BeenWatchingMichaelMcintyreVideosFor2Days

what's hilarious (or, maybe, incredibly sad) about this thread is that it kind of neglects the obvious truth that radical leftists' power is limited to causing some trouble for a professor somewhere in east bumfuck wherever, while the radical right is running ALL of Washington and most of the states.

But you know - both sides, so they're essentially the same.

WAT?

drummerboy said:

what's hilarious (or, maybe, incredibly sad) about this thread is that it kind of neglects the obvious truth that radical leftists' power is limited to causing some trouble for a professor somewhere in east bumfuck wherever, while the radical right is running ALL of Washington and most of the states.

But you know - both sides, so they're essentially the same.

wut words do you not understand?

terp said:

WAT?

drummerboy said:

what's hilarious (or, maybe, incredibly sad) about this thread is that it kind of neglects the obvious truth that radical leftists' power is limited to causing some trouble for a professor somewhere in east bumfuck wherever, while the radical right is running ALL of Washington and most of the states.

But you know - both sides, so they're essentially the same.

here's the thing, there are people who want to use these incidents to promote a narrative.  The narrative is that "the left" is on a rampage shutting down free speech, and it's getting worse.  But these are anecdotes.  It's the same half dozen or so incidents that are cited.  With a handful of anecdotes from professors who give their personal experiences of "political correctness."  But there are literally thousands of institutes of higher learning and millions of students in the U.S.  All the research that's out there suggests just that -- these are isolated incidents, and the vast majority of students are strongly in support of free speech.  Someone here posted a database of free speech infringements on campus over the past 15 years or so.  Instead of proving the point that it's only the "left," and it's getting worse, the database indicated a couple of things.  First, that there are roughly a few dozen of these incidents a year, and they're not becoming more frequent.  And second, there are incidents provoked by students on both the left and the right (often at conservative Christian schools.)

None of what I've written will of course have any influence on people who are firmly convinced there is a free speech crisis among college students.  But the data that's out there doesn't point to a crisis.  We should be vigilant of course, but the sky isn't falling.

https://www.knightfoundation.o...

https://pen.org/sites/default/...

https://www.theatlantic.com/po...

http://www.latimes.com/busines...

I don't know about all that.  I mean there is definitely a PC culture movement in this country.  This seems to be prevalent on line(surprise) and on many campuses.  Some call this movement Cultural Marxism.  

And I will say that not everyone see's free speech the same.  The one paper you site below says that many of the college students who strongly support free speech do think there should be limits.  

This is also not limited to america.  I also know of professors in Canada who have experienced some rather hostile reactions for refusing to play the PC game.  

It is interesting to note that in these instances there is no attempt to debate the person they have labelled a racist, white supremacist, sexist, or what have you.  In the Evergreen case we are talking about a self described liberal.  In the Peterson case he refused to use relatively new pronouns for his students.   This seems like a tool to limit debate rather than to spur debate.  I have seen many of these instances, and when the protesters are given an opportunity to have some discourse, they very rarely have anything to say other than insults.  

I know you're on the record saying that this is just about people wanting to be rude.  Do you think that is really the case?  I mean, the guy disagrees with having a day where white people should stay off of his campus.  Was he simply being rude?  

I think this is a case of seeing the splinter in your opponents eye but refusing to see the log in our own. 

ml1 said:

here's the thing, there are people who want to use these incidents to promote a narrative.  The narrative is that "the left" is on a rampage shutting down free speech, and it's getting worse.  But these are anecdotes.  It's the same half dozen or so incidents that are cited.  With a handful of anecdotes from professors who give their personal experiences of "political correctness."  But there are literally thousands of institutes of higher learning and millions of students in the U.S.  All the research that's out there suggests just that -- these are isolated incidents, and the vast majority of students are strongly in support of free speech.  Someone here posted a database of free speech infringements on campus over the past 15 years or so.  Instead of proving the point that it's only the "left," and it's getting worse, the database indicated a couple of things.  First, that there are roughly a few dozen of these incidents a year, and they're not becoming more frequent.  And second, there are incidents provoked by students on both the left and the right (often at conservative Christian schools.)

None of what I've written will of course have any influence on people who are firmly convinced there is a free speech crisis among college students.  But the data that's out there doesn't point to a crisis.  We should be vigilant of course, but the sky isn't falling.

https://www.knightfoundation.o...


https://pen.org/sites/default/...


https://www.theatlantic.com/po...

http://www.latimes.com/busines...

I think the fact that the President is selfish is relevant. One way he shows it is by making sure he gets better than everyone else. But obviously there are other ways, too. 

I'm not defending what went on in any of these schools over the past year or so.

The question is whether it's getting worse.  The research says it's not getting any worse than it's ever been.  I do know there are a lot more news sites out there like The Blaze that love to cover this stuff.  So if it's deciding between studies that are being done, and databases cataloging the incidents and your gut feeling on the issue, I have to go with the research.

terp said:

I don't know about all that.  I mean there is definitely a PC culture movement in this country.  This seems to be prevalent on line(surprise) and on many campuses.  Some call this movement Cultural Marxism.  

And I will say that not everyone see's free speech the same.  The one paper you site below says that many of the college students who strongly support free speech do think there should be limits.  

This is also not limited to america.  I also know of professors in Canada who have experienced some rather hostile reactions for refusing to play the PC game.  

It is interesting to note that in these instances there is no attempt to debate the person they have labelled a racist, white supremacist, sexist, or what have you.  In the Evergreen case we are talking about a self described liberal.  In the Peterson case he refused to use relatively new pronouns for his students.   This seems like a tool to limit debate rather than to spur debate.  I have seen many of these instances, and when the protesters are given an opportunity to have some discourse, they very rarely have anything to say other than insults.  

I know you're on the record saying that this is just about people wanting to be rude.  Do you think that is really the case?  I mean, the guy disagrees with having a day where white people should stay off of his campus.  Was he simply being rude?  

I think this is a case of seeing the splinter in your opponents eye but refusing to see the log in our own. 

ml1 said:

here's the thing, there are people who want to use these incidents to promote a narrative.  The narrative is that "the left" is on a rampage shutting down free speech, and it's getting worse.  But these are anecdotes.  It's the same half dozen or so incidents that are cited.  With a handful of anecdotes from professors who give their personal experiences of "political correctness."  But there are literally thousands of institutes of higher learning and millions of students in the U.S.  All the research that's out there suggests just that -- these are isolated incidents, and the vast majority of students are strongly in support of free speech.  Someone here posted a database of free speech infringements on campus over the past 15 years or so.  Instead of proving the point that it's only the "left," and it's getting worse, the database indicated a couple of things.  First, that there are roughly a few dozen of these incidents a year, and they're not becoming more frequent.  And second, there are incidents provoked by students on both the left and the right (often at conservative Christian schools.)

None of what I've written will of course have any influence on people who are firmly convinced there is a free speech crisis among college students.  But the data that's out there doesn't point to a crisis.  We should be vigilant of course, but the sky isn't falling.

https://www.knightfoundation.o...


https://pen.org/sites/default/...


https://www.theatlantic.com/po...

http://www.latimes.com/busines...