Defense is presenting their final arguments now.
If there's no guilty charges in this case - I will be shocked.
Based on what I've read, they should be found guilty.
However, the jury vote must be unanimous. All it takes is one racist juror to stop a guilty verdict.
At least in that case, one juror holding out against conviction can result in a mistrial rather than finding them innocent and shutting off any further criminal prosecution opportunities. Or do I have that wrong? It is Georgia.
It seems like what we're learning in this case and the Rittenhouse case is that a person with a gun has the ultimate say. Any attempt to unarm this person will be a green light to kill in self defense.
jamie said:Defense is presenting their final arguments now. If there's no guilty charges in this case - I will be shocked.
And I will be shocked if there are any guilty verdicts. If I understand correctly, Arbery was resisting (citizen's) arrest. This is an insane law that was in place at the time of the killings and has since been repealed.
This would make jogging-while-black probable cause for an arrest, no?
cubby said: jamie said:Defense is presenting their final arguments now. If there's no guilty charges in this case - I will be shocked. And I will be shocked if there are any guilty verdicts. if I understand correctly, Arbery was resisting (citizen's) arrest. This is th insane law that was in place at the time of the killings.
And I will be shocked if there are any guilty verdicts. if I understand correctly, Arbery was resisting (citizen's) arrest. This is th insane law that was in place at the time of the killings.
One of the defendants admitted that Arbery did not threaten them at all.
Arbery did trespass on a construction site....but nothing that would justify chasing him down...a lot of lookee loos go to look at construction....the defendants were reckless yahoos.
I suspect arbery had no clue they were really just trying to make a citizens arrest, he had every reason to fear for his life and fight them off.
The Daily podcast had an episode this week on the Rittenhouse verdict. It clearly explains how self defense laws are colliding with the 2nd amendment (and why it became impossible for the jury to convict Rittenhouse.)
In that regard the Arbery and Rittenhouse cases are similar.
For anyone interested here’s a link to the episode on Rittenhouse:
Jury wanted to hear the 911 call again. Here's how it started: "Uh, I’m out here at Satilla Shores. There’s a black male running down the street".
From a previous call:
In an earlier call at 1.08pm, a different unidentified caller reports “a guy in a house right now, a house under construction”. The dispatcher asks if the man is breaking into the property, to which the caller responds: “No, it’s all open, it’s under construction.”
The caller then says, “He’s running right now, and there he goes right now,” referring to Arbery, who was taking his usual jog around the neighborhood. The dispatcher asks: “OK, what is he doing?” The caller replies: “He’s running down the street.”
A few second later, the dispatcher says: “I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be?”
Guilty Guilty Guilty!
So relieved to be shocked!
jamie said:Guilty Guilty Guilty!
Guilty Guilty Guilty!
Ahmaud Arbery didnt have to die.He did nothing wrong. He wasnt armed, he was jogging. Thats his crime.That, and the "crime" of being black in a mostly white neighborhood.
Arbery was only 25 years old, and by all accounts was a law abiding,happy young man. And he's gone. And his family and friends will never see him again. Its a terribly tragedy...but there is justice for his needless murder.
Travis McMichael was found guilty of malice murder while the other defendants, Gregory McMichael and William "Roddie" Bryan Jr., were convicted on four and three of the counts of felony murder, respectively.
The difference between the charges has to do with intent. Malice murder means that the jury determined that Travis McMichael intended to kill Ahmaud Arbery, and he did. Travis McMichael was the person who shot Arbery. Gregory McMichael and William "Roddie" Bryan Jr.'s felony murder convictions means that they intentionally committed the felony.
They will likely appeal this verdict, but sooner or later these men will pay for the crime.They will likely live out their lives in prison.
. The murder of an unarmed black man in Georgia or many other Southern states.. is something we have seen and read about for centuries....and now there seems to be a price to pay...and hopefully it will stay that way. Hopefully.
Because injustice and criminal acts must apply to everyone...white or black. This was a malicious murder of a man who had his entire life ahead of him....but now whats ahead of these killers and enablers of a murder...will have their life ahead of them...behing bars.
Justice is served.
Interesting story that I wasn't aware of, about the first prosecutor involved with the Arbery case. Story from September.
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