Trump on Immigration

1. Make Mexico pay for a fence.

2. Deport 11 million people.

3. Do away with birthright citizenship.

Why wouldn't Mexico just laugh at him?

Mitt Romney got in trouble for "self-deportation".

He was very concerned with where Obama was born but now doesn't think being born here should make you a citizen?

Is he kidding, a moron, or a fascist?

Does he really plan on amending the Constitution or just ignoring it?

The 14th Amendment was passed to protect slaves and the children of former slaves from being denied citizenship not to allow birth tours or non-citizens from birthing citizens per se. Moreover, it also requires that they be subject to U.S. jurisdiction which is why federal law currently and perfectly Constitutionally already precludes "birthright citizenship" from progeny of certain classes of foreign nationals.

Trump is like a mackerel in the moonlight, he shines and stinks.

Moron.

"3. Do away with birthright citizenship."

LL_ said:
Does he really plan on amending the Constitution or just ignoring it?

Just do it! There's no need to amend the constitution, because it's not in the constitution.

steel said:
Trump is like a mackerel in the moonlight, he shines and stinks.

Come on Steel, that's no way to talk about the next POTUS...

Hey Art, where ya been pal? Hope you're ok.

Meanwhile, regarding your prediction of the next POTUS, -it's good to have a dream.

I'm always around pal, it's just I have these spells were I get bored beating up on all the libs here on MOL.

Trump is the real deal, and the national polls make it clear this is not a dream. If anything is clear, it's clear Bernie is the dreamer; and I understand Hillary was recently seen shopping for orange pants suits. BTW, check it out, illegal birthright citizenship lives don't matter, and is no where to be found in the 14th Amendment.

ajc said:
"3. Do away with birthright citizenship."

LL_ said:
Does he really plan on amending the Constitution or just ignoring it?

Just do it! There's no need to amend the constitution, because it's not in the constitution.

What part of "All persons born or naturalized" are we missing, ajc

Indeed,

Art, did this part of the 14th amendment suddenly become invisible?

-"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Please point us to the section which declares that such persons born of undocumented persons "don't count"?

Meanwhile, -it is all moot because as another of your Republican candidates Marc Rubio pointed out, -it would never pass through congress.

"What part of "All persons born or naturalized" are we missing, Ajc"

I'll let you guys figure it out on your own, but trust me, there's no need to amend the 14th Amendment. I would think the more important question is how will we get rid of them. Actually, it's going to be easier than you think. If they can't get the jobs, or the benefits; (and they won't) then they are going to want to go back home on their own.

ajc said:
"What part of "All persons born or naturalized" are we missing, Ajc"
I'll let you guys figure it out on your own, but trust me, there's no need to amend the 14th Amendment. I would think the more important question is how will we get rid of them. Actually, it's going to be easier than you think. If they can't get the jobs, or the benefits; (and they won't) then they are going to want to go back home on their own.

What? You are proposing punishing American citizens for the crime of exploiting illegal immigrants?

So you don't know. Someone told you on Breitbart that it wasn't the true intention of the 14th Amendment and that's all you needed to hear.

"Please point us to the section which declares that such persons born of undocumented persons "don't count"?"

This matter is going to be litigated, and there's no where where it says they do count.

ajc said:
"Please point us to the section which declares that such persons born of undocumented persons "don't count"?"
This matter is going to be litigated, and there's no where where it says they do count.

Well, you can't argue with this. Won't even try.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/trumps-nativist-bile-and-those-who-it

"The most pernicious part of Trump’s proposal is to do away with birthright citizenship. Why let a little thing like the 14th Amendment to the Constitution stand in the way. To be clear, the 14th Amendment is one of the outstanding achievements of our political culture. My father was the son of Polish immigrants and at the time of his birth he was considered, legally and practically, an American citizen. Why should it be different for the children of Latino immigrants today? Or the children of Irish immigrants, for there are an increasing number of undocumented Irish today? And Poles too? Go back far enough in any of our families, and someone who was not a citizen gave birth to someone who was. Mr. Trump says that we must do away with birthright citizenship because it is a magnet. Why not celebrate the fact that so many people around the world who want to come to the U.S.? Why not see immigrants as a blessing?"

"That last question is not rhetorical. There is a reason that Latino immigrants are not seen as a blessing in a country that consists of immigrants. They are non-white. Let’s be honest about the degree of simple racism that animates the Trump surge in the polls. In the beginning of the last century, similar concerns were voiced about non-Aryan immigrants, about Slavs and Italians and other, mostly Catholic, immigrants overwhelming America’s white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant gene pool. In the 1920s, our nation enacted severe limits on immigration, specifically directed at these new populations. People who are different threaten the identity of any social, political, economic establishment, and when they look a little different, more swarthy, or speak a different language, Polish or Spanish, that identity feels even more threatened."

ajc said:
"Please point us to the section which declares that such persons born of undocumented persons "don't count"?"
This matter is going to be litigated, and there's no where where it says they do count.

Somehow I'm always surprised by your rabid ignorance.

In 2012, median earnings for naturalized immigrant males and females working full-time, year-round ($49,345 and $39,737 respectively) were higher than median earnings for non-naturalized immigrant males and females ($29,575 and $24,492 respectively).

Makes you wonder if Trump really wants to make America great when it appears he wants to deport the more successful people.

Trump's name is derived from his paternal grandparents, Drumph. They came from Germany. His maternal grandparents came from Scotland. They (all) should have been sent back with their children.

Trump is not the first to raise this argument, and he's far from alone.

Even Harry Reid argued back in 1993, when he said that no sane country would reward illegal aliens by granting their children citizenship... The argument is simply that an illegal alien can't just step into the United States, claim legal political jurisdiction and then confer citizenship to their child. This issue will be litigated; and as we know, anything can happen within our court system. However, just look at what Obama has done regarding immigration, and Trump will not only reverse (TRUMP) him, I'm sure he will pretty much do whatever he said he's going to do.

Obama doesn't hire illegal immigrants. Trump does.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/they-say-they-arrived-in-the-us-illegally-now-theyre-working-on-trumps-dc-hotel/2015/07/06/9a785116-20ec-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

dave said:
Obama doesn't hire illegal immigrants. Trump does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/they-say-they-arrived-in-the-us-illegally-now-theyre-working-on-trumps-dc-hotel/2015/07/06/9a785116-20ec-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Based on the above article, the illegal immigrants are working for contractors or subcontractors on the DC jobsite rather than for the Trump organization (or its affiliates). It appears that you are attempting to attribute alleged actions of contractors and subcontractors of the Trump organization (or it affiliates) to Donald Trump. Which means that your posting of "Trump does [hire illegal immigrants]" is misleading at best. I expect better from you.

PS I think Trump is a jackass but that does not mean that he should be smeared with misleading allegations.

ajc said:
However, just look at what Obama has done regarding immigration, and Trump will not only reverse (TRUMP) him, I'm sure he will pretty much do whatever he said he's going to do.

Wow, AJC must have been listening to an exceptionally clever commentator. Now I suppose we will be subject to an endless stream of "He's gonna Trump you" one liners.

Now that Trump knows, let's see if he dismisses the subcontractor.

So Trump deserves credit as a "job creator" but when we find out those jobs are given to undocumented workers, "well that's a contractor". Moreover, Trump has gone on record with Anderson Cooper saying that the buck stops with him on this issue and that they vet every employee on the site.

RealityForAll said:

dave said:
Obama doesn't hire illegal immigrants. Trump does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/they-say-they-arrived-in-the-us-illegally-now-theyre-working-on-trumps-dc-hotel/2015/07/06/9a785116-20ec-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Based on the above article, the illegal immigrants are working for contractors or subcontractors on the DC jobsite rather than for the Trump organization (or its affiliates). It appears that you are attempting to attribute alleged actions of contractors and subcontractors of the Trump organization (or it affiliates) to Donald Trump. Which means that your posting of "Trump does [hire illegal immigrants]" is misleading at best. I expect better from you.
PS I think Trump is a jackass but that does not mean that he should be smeared with misleading allegations.

A general contractor should be held responsible.

If not, then the general contractor can legally hire almost 100% illegals by subcontracting most jobs to sub-contractors. You can have a hotel which subcontracts the household (maids, laundry) department to a subcontractors that hires illegals, you can have maintenance subcontracted, you can have admin subcontracted. You can run a hotel with the usual exception of management by subcontractors while saving a mint on contractors that hire illegals.

General contractors know exactly what they are hiring. If they say they don't then they are disingenuous.

Hey Art, glad to see you back! Maybe you could address the old questions about Trump's racism and truth problems. Or not, since those qualities make him "the real deal".

ajc said:
Trump is not the first to raise this argument, and he's far from alone.
Even Harry Reid argued back in 1993, when he said that no sane country would reward illegal aliens by granting their children citizenship... The argument is simply that an illegal alien can't just step into the United States, claim legal political jurisdiction and then confer citizenship to their child. This issue will be litigated; and as we know, anything can happen within our court system. However, just look at what Obama has done regarding immigration, and Trump will not only reverse (TRUMP) him, I'm sure he will pretty much do whatever he said he's going to do.

That's an excellent reason, not that his stream ofof complete lack of political experience and understanding, racism, misogyny and lies aren't reason enough, to avoid him like the plague. His hideously cruel plan would round up 11 million illegals, cost up to $600 billion and reduce real GDP by $1.5 trillion. His tariff plan to force Mexico to build his cheap uneeded wall would kick off a trade war or worse with our 3rd biggest partner, pouring more fuel on his catasrophic vengence fueled economic collapse.

All the while, the border's more secure than ever, with 1 million fewer illegals here since 2006 due to that enhaced security.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/opinions/reyes-trump-immigration/

None of Trump's vile statements hold up to scrutiny. But they do empower the sizeable hate based anti brown people contingent in your party. You should be proud.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/opinions/nowrasteh-trump-immigration-myths/index.html?eref=rss_politics

http://americasvoice.org/press_releases/sadly-there-is-a-network-of-hate-at-work/

OK, here it is; Plan the work, then work the plan...

IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN -

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan. When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties. Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans. Make Mexico Pay For The Wall. For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published
pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked topick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011.

The effects on job seekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed. The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the“blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population,including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders. Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone). In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up. The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among
other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico[Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]

We will not be taken advantage of anymore. Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:
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Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in
Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission...Compare that to the Los Angele's Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants. Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens.The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not
accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally. Detention—not catch and release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch and release.
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Defund sanctuary cities. Cut off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal
law enforcement. Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa.Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should besubject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system required by law but blocked by lobbyists will be necessary as well. Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th streetgang, which have terrorized the country.

All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children...ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship.This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First. Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed.Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level notexperienced in generations.As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.” The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans including immigrants themselves and their children to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US born
children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all time historic record population of 42 million immigrants.

We need to control the admission of new low earning workers in order to:help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream. Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.” Here are some additional specific policy proposals for
long term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two thirds of entry level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H1B program. More than half of H1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
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Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H1B, have no such requirement.
In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the
unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S. Jobs program for inner city youth. The J1 visa jobs program for foreign you will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J1 visa program. Refugee program for American children.

Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum seekers to crack down on abuses.
Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United
States. Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages
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ajc said:

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

Except for the 14th Amendment. That one doesn't count.