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That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 


terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

I agree. We are discussing this in the Ukraine thread. 


terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

I didn't realize you were so young.

And, not for nothing, but Ukraine is using the missiles to defend itself, trying to disable locations from where missiles are being launched into Ukrainian cities. "Irresponsible" is the word for a leader and government which launches a war in the way Putin and Russia did. 

But don't worry, there are a couple of people who have videos which will support your views.


nohero said:

terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

I didn't realize you were so young.

And, not for nothing, but Ukraine is using the missiles to defend itself, trying to disable locations from where missiles are being launched into Ukrainian cities. "Irresponsible" is the word for a leader and government which launches a war in the way Putin and Russia did. 

But don't worry, there are a couple of people who have videos which will support your views.

You are dangerously stupid. 


terp said:

nohero said:

terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

I didn't realize you were so young.

And, not for nothing, but Ukraine is using the missiles to defend itself, trying to disable locations from where missiles are being launched into Ukrainian cities. "Irresponsible" is the word for a leader and government which launches a war in the way Putin and Russia did. 

But don't worry, there are a couple of people who have videos which will support your views.

You are dangerously stupid. 

No, I was just commenting that you may be too young for Ronald Reagan's missile policy in Europe to have occurred during your lifetime.


nan said:

terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

I agree. We are discussing this in the Ukraine thread. 

On an average day, how many pigeons do you think you could reasonably carry?


Thanksgiving is creeping up on us - what are people's preferences for turkey?

I use the "free turkey" bonus from Shop Rite towards getting a kosher turkey, since I think the koshering takes the place of having to brine it myself.  Then I "disassemble" the turkey (cut in two at the breastbone and remove the backbone, and separate the thigh/leg and wing portions) in order to roast it. That reduces the time in the oven and helps to make it less dry.

I still have to work on what the sides will be this year.


As bad as it may be that Trump won and he will be in charge, at least you know he will be in charge. These next two months are shaping up as precarious given the geopolitical landscape and the current leadership vacuum in the Oval Office. I mean, is Biden really in charge? If he is, that's pretty scary. If he's not, that may be even more scary because we don't know who's in charge. If anyone is.


My expectation would be that important government decisions are made collectively by the most important people in the Administration- DoD, State Dept., national security advisor, the President. I would further expect that this particular decision is made in consultation with NATO. If this is not what is happening then that isn’t good. 

What I don’t expect is that the President makes these decisions on his own. 


nohero said:

Thanksgiving is creeping up on us - what are people's preferences for turkey?

I use the "free turkey" bonus from Shop Rite towards getting a kosher turkey, since I think the koshering takes the place of having to brine it myself.  Then I "disassemble" the turkey (cut in two at the breastbone and remove the backbone, and separate the thigh/leg and wing portions) in order to roast it. That reduces the time in the oven and helps to make it less dry.

I still have to work on what the sides will be this year.

My nephew texted us the prep steps for the turkey. brining, spatchcocking, butter under the skin, etc...

But I'm thinking is such a mediocre bird worth all that effort just to make it passable?


(an oldie but goody.

how many people here do you think noticed?)


Smedley said:

As bad as it may be that Trump won and he will be in charge, at least you know he will be in charge. These next two months are shaping up as precarious given the geopolitical landscape and the current leadership vacuum in the Oval Office. I mean, is Biden really in charge? If he is, that's pretty scary. If he's not, that may be even more scary because we don't know who's in charge. If anyone is.

sure. gee. yeah, the country is not under the control of anyone. we're adrift. I'm ascared.

but with trump someone will be in charge!

what a really, really poor take. beyond poor.

you so hate him, don't you. And he's such a nice guy who did so much for us.


tjohn said:

My expectation would be that important government decisions are made collectively by the most important people in the Administration- DoD, State Dept., national security advisor, the President. I would further expect that this particular decision is made in consultation with NATO. If this is not what is happening then that isn’t good. 

What I don’t expect is that the President makes these decisions on his own. 

gee, ya think?

it's so obviously the case that it's downright embarrassing that you even had to state this.

I do wonder about smedley sometimes.


I've called it as I've seen it with Biden over the years-- the good, the bad, and everything in between. Meanwhile you've been a Harry Sisson alter ego. 

I highly doubt any objective and reasonable person who's read my posts would conclude that I "so hate him". But compared with your partisan pixie dust, I guess maybe a rational, honest and non-partisan view does look like hate. 


Trump will be inheriting the strongest economy in decades… and these fools have to ask if Biden is in charge. Smedley was always a MAGAt… he’s just been pretending to be “fair & balanced. In some ways I’m actually glad that trump will just muck up this country to the point where not a single republican gets elected anywhere for the next 39!years. Effing morons 


terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

Today, Joe Biden ("working tirelessly for a ceasefire") vetoed a UN Security Resolution calling for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza (14-0-1 vote). Joe's an equal opportunity warmonger. He has destroyed his legacy.


Not sure why the vote has to be unanimous. What genius made that a thing?


dave said:

Not sure why the vote has to be unanimous. What genius made that a thing?

I don't think it has to do with unanimity. Can't any of the 5 permanent members veto it simply by not voting yes? Not quite sure of the exact rule or where it can be applied.

Either case, your question is still valid.


paulsurovell said:

terp said:

That Biden's support for Ukraine using US missiles to fire within Russia may be the most irresponsible thing I've seen from a POTUS in my lifetime. 

Today, Joe Biden ("working tirelessly for a ceasefire") vetoed a UN Security Resolution calling for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza (14-0-1 vote). Joe's an equal opportunity warmonger. He has destroyed his legacy.

Hmm. In Ukraine, where Russia pre-emptively invaded in 2014, and then dramatically escalated pre-emptively in 2022, you've long argued that Ukraine should unilaterally declare a cease fire and cede territory to avoid Russia's continuing destruction and killing of Ukrainians. Yet here, where Israel invaded following an attack by a group explicitly committed to the destruction of state of Israel that killed over 1,000 people and took hundreds hostage, you are arguing for the country invading to initiate a ceasefire.

Now, I personally think that in both cases, the invading country should stop. Israel's jus ad bellum is far stronger that Russia's, but its jus in bello increasingly shocks the conscience. Still, you'll note this is a consistent application of principle. From what I can tell, the only consistency you follow putting all blame and responsibility for any conflict on the United States and any country allied with it.


Here is a provocative post that provides some possible insight.


nan said:

Here is a provocative post that provides some possible insight.

I rather doubt that the decision to allow Ukraine to use longer range ATACMS was a result of losing the election. 


nan said:

Here is a provocative post that provides some possible insight.

one big difference is that no matter what one thinks about what Biden is doing in Ukraine, it isn't being done with the intent of overturning the election result.


I think the idea is to escalate prior to the new administration so it's untenable to deescalate. This way the $$ keeps flowing.

Russia fired an ICBM.  Good times...


terp said:

I think the idea is to escalate prior to the new administration so it's untenable to deescalate. This way the $$ keeps flowing.

Russia fired an ICBM.  Good times...

That could be but it also provides a de-escalation point as in ”Let’s stop using long range missiles”.


tjohn said:

nan said:

Here is a provocative post that provides some possible insight.

I rather doubt that the decision to allow Ukraine to use longer range ATACMS was a result of losing the election. 

Based on what?  Why else would they do something that massive without even informing the incoming administration.  They are also trying to get tons more of wasted money to Ukraine.  It's not a good look.



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